More Cowbell Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I have been a big Darnold supporter and I still am. I believe he will be a FQB for this team but I have been thinking, we might be looking at a Matt Stafford situation where we have a very talented QB that just doesn't have what it takes to pull the team up. Now Stafford did ave Megatron and now has Gallowday and Sam has not had anyone that approaches the talent level so it is difficult to make a fair comparison but I was wondering what the rest of you think. Are we in a position like Detroit where we have a QB that should be able to lead this team higher but just doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shuler82 Posted September 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2020 Sam isn’t even Jon Kitna 2.0 at this point 9 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ScarletKnight89 Posted September 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2020 Stafford is way better than Sam Darnold at this point. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Stafford is like 15th all time in passing yards. We can hope Darnold has that type of career 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said: Stafford is way better than Sam Darnold at this point. Oh really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I wish. At least with even awful teams Stafford could play. Darnold is another in the plethora of Jet frauds who looks lost on the field. Just wait a few weeks and see how bad this gets. It's going to be scary. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted September 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2020 Stafford threw 41 TD's in his third season. Is that where you see Darnold at right now? 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Stafford is like 15th all time in passing yards. We can hope Darnold has that type of career And 0 playoff wins. Did Stafford play for Gase? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, Irish Jet said: Stafford threw 41 TD's in his third season. Is that where you see Darnold at right now? Well no he doesn’t have the 2nd or 3rd greatest ever WR to chuck it to he has Donte Moncreif and Chris Hogan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted September 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, Philc1 said: Well no he doesn’t have the 2nd or 3rd greatest ever WR to chuck it to he has Donte Moncreif and Chris Hogan Irrelevant. If you're going to invite the comparison you better be prepared to compare their production. What else is there to compare? Haircuts? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Oh really? Absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetty Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 We could only wish Darnold becomes Matthew Stafford. Right now he looks more like Matthew Leinart. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 This is a funny topic because I was thinking about what teams might potentially trade for Sam if we ended up drafting Trevor Lawrence, and replacing Stafford in Detroit was the best fit I came up with due to mechanics and demeanor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Irrelevant. If you're going to invite the comparison you better be prepared to compare their production. What else is there to compare? Haircuts? Oh wait I forgot from JI days. Jets fans think Stafford > Elway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Greenseed4 said: This is a funny topic because I was thinking about what teams might potentially trade for Sam if we ended up drafting Trevor Lawrence, and replacing Stafford in Detroit was the best fit I came up with due to mechanics and demeanor. We’ll trade him to the Bucs for a middle round pick and Arians will make him a star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 I'm going to put this out as a general rebuttal to all the glowing Stafford stats being put out here. No playoff wins, no SB appearances. If Sam becomes better than Stafford stat wise and we have the same kind of post season success, I will consider him a disaster. We aren't playing fantasy football here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Stafford is much tougher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, More Cowbell said: I'm going to put this out as a general rebuttal to all the glowing Stafford stats being put out here. No playoff wins, no SB appearances. If Sam becomes better than Stafford stat wise and we have the same kind of post season success, I will consider him a disaster. We aren't playing fantasy football here. Never won a playoff game and had the greatest WR not named Jerry Rice to throw to almost his entire career Oh and Stafford got outplayed at home by Mitch Trubisky yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Irrelevant. If you're going to invite the comparison you better be prepared to compare their production. What else is there to compare? Haircuts? No, comparisons that prove their point are OK. Comparisons that don't are explained away as not being related to the compared players but rather are due to "coaching," "supporting cast," or the phases of the moon during game time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Matt Stafford btw has the type of natural arm strength that he can throw a football through a piece of plywood darnold's arm is OK but they are not in the same neighborhood in terms of velocity Stafford is closer to Favre or Allen he's got a rare arm could have made millions as a pitcher in MLB probably 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y3k Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 If Darnold played in a dome and had calvin johnson hed be a first team all pro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: No playoff wins, no SB appearances. Mark Sanchez leads this franchise in playoff wins as a QB Rex Ryan leads this franchise in playoff wins as a HC it's not the greatest stat to use in casual conversation 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Jets fan would settle for Matthew Stafford sounds like a theonion headline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y3k Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: Matt Stafford btw has the type of natural arm strength that he can throw a football through a piece of plywood darnold's arm is OK but they are not in the same neighborhood in terms of velocity Stafford is closer to Favre or Allen he's got a rare arm could have made millions as a pitcher in MLB probably Darnold has elite arm talent, don't take it from me, take it from the haters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Y3k said: If Darnold played in a dome and had calvin johnson hed be a first team all pro And if I would've been born with Brad Pitt's bone structure, I'd be in pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 No. Matthew Stafford is actually good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Stafford has one of the strongest arms the league has ever or will see. He is also accurate. He is also spirited. Darnold has average to below average arm strength, has not been accurate and plays like his head is somewhere in CA and not NY. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Oh wait I forgot from JI days. Jets fans think Stafford > Elway JI was for cowards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Y3k said: Darnold has elite arm talent, don't take it from me, take it from the haters this tweet is from last november btw Look at the game vs Buffalo this week it doesn't exactly scream "rare arm talent" certainly not in the Matt Stafford category i never said Stafford was super accurate by the way that was supposed to be Darnold's thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 In his 3rd season (second full year as a starter), Matt Stafford threw 41TDs (16 picks) and 5,000+ yards and a QB rating of 97. I would love to see Darnold with numbers like that. In fairness, that was also Stafford's best season, and he has not come close to producing those numbers again. Byt at this stage of his career, Darnold has some catching up to do to be considered in a similar category to Stafford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Darnold is so much closer to Mark Sanchez 2.0 than Matt Stafford 2.0. We could only wish that he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y3k Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: this tweet is from last november btw Look at the game vs Buffalo this week it doesn't exactly scream "rare arm talent" certainly not in the Matt Stafford category i never said Stafford was super accurate by the way that was supposed to be Darnold's thing You think his arm got weaker since november? I didnt see a single throw missed because of arm strength. Darnold was unusually inaccurate. What is your motivation for spreading negative false naratives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Matt Stafford threw for 5k and 41 TD's his third year in the league. No, Sam Darnold is not Matt Stafford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: This is a funny topic because I was thinking about what teams might potentially trade for Sam if we ended up drafting Trevor Lawrence, and replacing Stafford in Detroit was the best fit I came up with due to mechanics and demeanor. Belichick will figure out how to get Sam if we give up on him too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, Y3k said: You think his arm got weaker since november? I didnt see a single throw missed because of arm strength. Darnold was unusually inaccurate. What is your motivation for spreading negative false naratives? Equating Darnold's with Stafford's arm strength is a very uninformed opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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