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Poll: Which head coach(es) is Gase as good or better than?

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Poll: Which head coach(es) is Gase as good or better than?  

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  1. 1. Poll: Which head coach(es) is Gase as good or better than?

    • Kliff Kingsbury (Arizona)
      0
    • Dan Quinn (Atlanta)
      6
    • John Harbaugh (Baltimore)
      0
    • Sean McDermott (Buffalo)
      0
    • Matt Rhule (Panthers)
      3
    • Matt Nagy (Bears)
      4
    • Zac Taylor (Bengals)
      4
    • Kevin Stefanski (Browns)
      4
    • Mike McCarthy (Dallas)
      2
    • Vic Fangio (Denver)
      4
    • Matt Patricia (Lions)
      16
    • Matt LaFleur (Packers)
      0
    • Bill O'Brien (Texans)
      7
    • Frank Reich (Colts)
      2
    • Doug Marrone (Jacksonville)
      3
    • Andy Reid (KC)
      0
    • Jon Gruden (Raiders)
      0
    • Anthony Lynn (Chargers)
      1
    • Sean McVay (Rams)
      0
    • None from this list
      24

  2. 2. Poll: Which head coach(es) is Gase as good or better than? (rest of the HCs)

    • Mike Zimmer (Vikings)
      1
    • Bill Belichick (Pats)
      0
    • Sean Payton (Saints)
      0
    • Joe Judge (Giants)
      9
    • Doug Pederson (Eagles)
      1
    • Mike Tomlin (Steelers)
      0
    • Kyle Shanahan (49ers)
      0
    • Pete Carroll (Seattle)
      0
    • Bruce Arians (Tampa)
      0
    • Mike Vrabel (Titans)
      0
    • Ron Rivera (Washington)
      1
    • Brian Flores (Dolphins)
      3
    • None from this list
      31

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  • Poll closed on 09/27/2020 at 04:59 PM

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TuscanyTile2

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@T0mShane 

I had to move a coach from the top list to the bottom list so I could allow people to choose "None from this list".  Brian Flores was the one I moved.  I'm not sure if I moved it in time or if you intended to vote for Brian Flores and I just edited you to "None from this list".

 

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7 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I think he's probably the worst coach on that list but I clicked Bill O'Brien, Matt Patricia, and Dan Quinn as three guys who clearly stink and haven't done anything to improve the side of the ball they're supposed to specialize in. I'd feel equally hopeless with any of them at the helm.

The only HC I voted for was Matt Patricia.  I agree that B O'B and Dan Quinn both stink but they've at least had some level of success.  Quinn got to the Superbowl (albeit with Kyle Shanahan) and B O'B has gotten to the postseason.

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Gase has not impressed anyone as a good coach, but his teams in Miami never looked as bad as they looked here.

But even though the players he has to work with are not great, I think we have seen enough to know that he should not be coaching Darnold anymore, or at last indirectly through Loggains.  

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12 minutes ago, TMAC said:

Ray Handley almost as bad as Gase but not quite.  Worst coach of any NFL team that I can think of in 55 years.

OMG! Gase is the second coming of Ray Handley!

 

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Tabbed as one of the smartest men in football, Handley had a masters degree from Stanford, a genius IQ, and a steeltrap mathematical mind (he once got bumped from a Reno casino for counting cards). He inherited a great situation with the Giants, taking over a team that had gone 25-7, reached the playoffs twice and had won the Super Bowl once in the two previous seasons. So what did he do? He benched Phil Simms (who would return to the Pro Bowl in 1993, the year after Handley was fired) and went 14-18 overall. The Giants failed to make the playoffs in either of his two years as the head coach. In fact, it's the only time in Weis' NFL career that a team he was part of failed to make the playoffs in two straight seasons.

(On a lighter note, one time Handley went off on a tangent during a press conference about the way Brett Favre pronounces his last name. Handley, for all his cerebral brilliance, couldn't understand how it was pronounced "FARv". That should have been a clue right there.)

In the book "Coaching Matters", author Brad Adler devotes some attention to a special kind of failure that some "genius" coordinators experience when attempting to make the transition to head coach. One of his prime examples is Ray Handley:

Important in a coach's repetoire - and most often neglected - is the manner in which he operates. One of these operational functions is the process by which a coach communicates his ideas...the true essence of coaching may exist as much in the way a coach conveys his methods and strategies as it does in the true merits of those tactics. Otherwise viable coaches may face a difficult task imparting their knowledge to players due in large part to the ineffectual fashion in which they communicate and/or demonstrate their methods.

Former NY Giants head coach Ray Handley comes to mind as a prime example of this postulation. Handley was, quite literally, a genius. He had an IQ of 140 and...was handpicked by head coach Bill Parcells...to lead the Giants. With all that intelligence and experience, Handley was a flop...

Handley was a brilliant assistant coach who...was as sharp a football mind as there was in the business. In fact, he developed many of the successful offensive schemes and strategies utilized by Parcells. Handley, though, had no conception whatsoever of the process by which to successfully communicate strategies and techniques to his players...He could never seem to grasp the fact that not everyone responds to a single teaching process and that he might have to engage different educational techniques in order to ensure that everybody understood each concept.

Many of us have probably met similar types of folks. Somewhere along the way you get a teacher that, on paper, seems like they should be able to teach you anything you would want to know. An IQ through the roof, absolutely brilliant, and they have every degree and every credential you could ask for. But put them before a class and they simply can't convey that knowledge to the students in front of them. Intelligence alone simply does not make a person a good teacher.

http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2005/06/lesson-ofray-handley.html

 

 

 

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T0mShane

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17 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

@T0mShane 

I had to move a coach from the top list to the bottom list so I could allow people to choose "None from this list".  Brian Flores was the one I moved.  I'm not sure if I moved it in time or if you intended to vote for Brian Flores and I just edited you to "None from this list".

 

I think a lot of teams are in the same boat with hopeless coaches. Dolphins are among them. 

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I think a lot of teams are in the same boat with hopeless coaches. Dolphins are among them. 

I like Brian Flores.  They don't have the talent that the Bills do but they took them to the wire yesterday.  Flores almost swept us last year too despite the Dolphins being one of the few teams with less talent than the Jets.

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1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I like Brian Flores.  They don't have the talent that the Bills do but they took them to the wire yesterday.  Flores almost swept us last year too despite the Dolphins being one of the few teams with less talent than the Jets.

I'm not convinced the Dolphins have less talent than us. 

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5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I like Brian Flores.  They don't have the talent that the Bills do but they took them to the wire yesterday.  Flores almost swept us last year too despite the Dolphins being one of the few teams with less talent than the Jets.

Still early, but so far he looks like the best BB guy to get an HC gig besides Vrabel.

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50 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I think he's probably the worst coach on that list but I clicked Bill O'Brien, Matt Patricia, and Dan Quinn as three guys who clearly stink and haven't done anything to improve the side of the ball they're supposed to specialize in. I'd feel equally hopeless with any of them at the helm.

I wouldn't want Quinn as HC at this point but he got to a SB despite blowing it. I mean, gase has literally accomplished nothing in this league as HC

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10 minutes ago, y2k8 said:

I wouldn't want Quinn as HC at this point but he got to a SB despite blowing it. I mean, gase has literally accomplished nothing in this league as HC

We're not debating resumes. We're saying how good we subjectively think they are. 

If Adam Gase went to the Super Bowl because his DC Sean McDermott had an elite defense with an MVP edge rusher despite never having a good offense, and then as soon as McDermott went to Buffalo the team collapsed while McDermott thrived in his new environment I'd feel like Gase was pretty similar to Quinn.

Quinn will always be able to claim he took a team to the Super Bowl, but everyone knows Kyle Shanahan and Matt Ryan got them there. 

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14 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

We're not debating resumes. We're saying how good we subjectively think they are. 

If Adam Gase went to the Super Bowl because his DC Sean McDermott had an elite defense with an MVP edge rusher despite never having a good offense, and then as soon as McDermott went to Buffalo the team collapsed while McDermott thrived in his new environment I'd feel like Gase was pretty similar to Quinn.

Quinn will always be able to claim he took a team to the Super Bowl, but everyone knows Kyle Shanahan and Matt Ryan got them there. 

Just like Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

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1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The only HC I voted for was Matt Patricia.  I agree that B O'B and Dan Quinn both stink but they've at least had some level of success.  Quinn got to the Superbowl (albeit with Kyle Shanahan) and B O'B has gotten to the postseason.

I voted the same way.  

I think Bill O'Brien the coach is much better than Bill O'Brien the GM

Judge hasn't been around long enough to evaluate.

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