Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
TuscanyTile2

Poll: Which head coach(es) is Gase as good or better than?

Poll: Which head coach(es) is Gase as good or better than?  

42 members have voted

This poll is closed to new votes
  1. 1. Poll: Which head coach(es) is Gase as good or better than?

    • Kliff Kingsbury (Arizona)
      0
    • Dan Quinn (Atlanta)
    • John Harbaugh (Baltimore)
      0
    • Sean McDermott (Buffalo)
      0
    • Matt Rhule (Panthers)
    • Matt Nagy (Bears)
    • Zac Taylor (Bengals)
    • Kevin Stefanski (Browns)
    • Mike McCarthy (Dallas)
    • Vic Fangio (Denver)
    • Matt Patricia (Lions)
    • Matt LaFleur (Packers)
      0
    • Bill O'Brien (Texans)
    • Frank Reich (Colts)
    • Doug Marrone (Jacksonville)
    • Andy Reid (KC)
      0
    • Jon Gruden (Raiders)
      0
    • Anthony Lynn (Chargers)
    • Sean McVay (Rams)
      0
    • None from this list
  2. 2. Poll: Which head coach(es) is Gase as good or better than? (rest of the HCs)

    • Mike Zimmer (Vikings)
    • Bill Belichick (Pats)
      0
    • Sean Payton (Saints)
      0
    • Joe Judge (Giants)
    • Doug Pederson (Eagles)
    • Mike Tomlin (Steelers)
      0
    • Kyle Shanahan (49ers)
      0
    • Pete Carroll (Seattle)
      0
    • Bruce Arians (Tampa)
      0
    • Mike Vrabel (Titans)
      0
    • Ron Rivera (Washington)
    • Brian Flores (Dolphins)
    • None from this list

  • Please sign in or register to vote in this poll.
  • Poll closed on 09/27/2020 at 04:59 PM

Recommended Posts

He's clearly the worst HC in our division (by far).  Are there any coaches that Gase is as good as or (somehow) better than?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think he's probably the worst coach on that list but I clicked Bill O'Brien, Matt Patricia, and Dan Quinn as three guys who clearly stink and haven't done anything to improve the side of the ball they're supposed to specialize in. I'd feel equally hopeless with any of them at the helm.

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In my opinion, Gase is the worst by far. Matt Patricia, Dan Quinn and Bill O'Brien are terrible but not nearly as bad as Gase.  The only coach I can think of that comes close to being as bad as Gase is Rich Kotite. But Gase is worse.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ray Handley almost as bad as Gase but not quite.  Worst coach of any NFL team that I can think of in 55 years.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@T0mShane 

I had to move a coach from the top list to the bottom list so I could allow people to choose "None from this list".  Brian Flores was the one I moved.  I'm not sure if I moved it in time or if you intended to vote for Brian Flores and I just edited you to "None from this list".

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I think he's probably the worst coach on that list but I clicked Bill O'Brien, Matt Patricia, and Dan Quinn as three guys who clearly stink and haven't done anything to improve the side of the ball they're supposed to specialize in. I'd feel equally hopeless with any of them at the helm.

The only HC I voted for was Matt Patricia.  I agree that B O'B and Dan Quinn both stink but they've at least had some level of success.  Quinn got to the Superbowl (albeit with Kyle Shanahan) and B O'B has gotten to the postseason.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gase has not impressed anyone as a good coach, but his teams in Miami never looked as bad as they looked here.

But even though the players he has to work with are not great, I think we have seen enough to know that he should not be coaching Darnold anymore, or at last indirectly through Loggains.  

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, TMAC said:

Ray Handley almost as bad as Gase but not quite.  Worst coach of any NFL team that I can think of in 55 years.

OMG! Gase is the second coming of Ray Handley!

 

Quote

 

Tabbed as one of the smartest men in football, Handley had a masters degree from Stanford, a genius IQ, and a steeltrap mathematical mind (he once got bumped from a Reno casino for counting cards). He inherited a great situation with the Giants, taking over a team that had gone 25-7, reached the playoffs twice and had won the Super Bowl once in the two previous seasons. So what did he do? He benched Phil Simms (who would return to the Pro Bowl in 1993, the year after Handley was fired) and went 14-18 overall. The Giants failed to make the playoffs in either of his two years as the head coach. In fact, it's the only time in Weis' NFL career that a team he was part of failed to make the playoffs in two straight seasons.

(On a lighter note, one time Handley went off on a tangent during a press conference about the way Brett Favre pronounces his last name. Handley, for all his cerebral brilliance, couldn't understand how it was pronounced "FARv". That should have been a clue right there.)

In the book "Coaching Matters", author Brad Adler devotes some attention to a special kind of failure that some "genius" coordinators experience when attempting to make the transition to head coach. One of his prime examples is Ray Handley:

Important in a coach's repetoire - and most often neglected - is the manner in which he operates. One of these operational functions is the process by which a coach communicates his ideas...the true essence of coaching may exist as much in the way a coach conveys his methods and strategies as it does in the true merits of those tactics. Otherwise viable coaches may face a difficult task imparting their knowledge to players due in large part to the ineffectual fashion in which they communicate and/or demonstrate their methods.

Former NY Giants head coach Ray Handley comes to mind as a prime example of this postulation. Handley was, quite literally, a genius. He had an IQ of 140 and...was handpicked by head coach Bill Parcells...to lead the Giants. With all that intelligence and experience, Handley was a flop...

Handley was a brilliant assistant coach who...was as sharp a football mind as there was in the business. In fact, he developed many of the successful offensive schemes and strategies utilized by Parcells. Handley, though, had no conception whatsoever of the process by which to successfully communicate strategies and techniques to his players...He could never seem to grasp the fact that not everyone responds to a single teaching process and that he might have to engage different educational techniques in order to ensure that everybody understood each concept.

Many of us have probably met similar types of folks. Somewhere along the way you get a teacher that, on paper, seems like they should be able to teach you anything you would want to know. An IQ through the roof, absolutely brilliant, and they have every degree and every credential you could ask for. But put them before a class and they simply can't convey that knowledge to the students in front of them. Intelligence alone simply does not make a person a good teacher.

http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2005/06/lesson-ofray-handley.html

 

 

 

  • Upvote 1
  • Post of the Week 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Matt Patricia might be the only one, and even then I'm not sure

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

@T0mShane 

I had to move a coach from the top list to the bottom list so I could allow people to choose "None from this list".  Brian Flores was the one I moved.  I'm not sure if I moved it in time or if you intended to vote for Brian Flores and I just edited you to "None from this list".

 

I think a lot of teams are in the same boat with hopeless coaches. Dolphins are among them. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I think a lot of teams are in the same boat with hopeless coaches. Dolphins are among them. 

I like Brian Flores.  They don't have the talent that the Bills do but they took them to the wire yesterday.  Flores almost swept us last year too despite the Dolphins being one of the few teams with less talent than the Jets.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I like Brian Flores.  They don't have the talent that the Bills do but they took them to the wire yesterday.  Flores almost swept us last year too despite the Dolphins being one of the few teams with less talent than the Jets.

I'm not convinced the Dolphins have less talent than us. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

I'm not convinced the Dolphins have less talent than us. 

Last year they did

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I voted Patricia and Judge, but even if he's indeed better than both, it's by the slimmest of margins.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I like Brian Flores.  They don't have the talent that the Bills do but they took them to the wire yesterday.  Flores almost swept us last year too despite the Dolphins being one of the few teams with less talent than the Jets.

Still early, but so far he looks like the best BB guy to get an HC gig besides Vrabel.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I voted Patricia and Judge, but even if he's indeed better than both, it's by the slimmest of margins.

I think Judge is a LOT better than Gase.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

I think Judge is a LOT better than Gase.

Meh.  I don't care enough to argue against this.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Last year they did

Possibly. Either way, I wouldn't say there was an appreciable difference. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I like Brian Flores.  They don't have the talent that the Bills do but they took them to the wire yesterday.  Flores almost swept us last year too despite the Dolphins being one of the few teams with less talent than the Jets.

He’s 5-13.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

His team competes

Here are some scores from those 13 losses where the Dolphins “competed.”

59-10

43-0

31-6

31-21

27-14

37-20

41-24

36-20

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
50 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I think he's probably the worst coach on that list but I clicked Bill O'Brien, Matt Patricia, and Dan Quinn as three guys who clearly stink and haven't done anything to improve the side of the ball they're supposed to specialize in. I'd feel equally hopeless with any of them at the helm.

I wouldn't want Quinn as HC at this point but he got to a SB despite blowing it. I mean, gase has literally accomplished nothing in this league as HC

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, y2k8 said:

I wouldn't want Quinn as HC at this point but he got to a SB despite blowing it. I mean, gase has literally accomplished nothing in this league as HC

We're not debating resumes. We're saying how good we subjectively think they are. 

If Adam Gase went to the Super Bowl because his DC Sean McDermott had an elite defense with an MVP edge rusher despite never having a good offense, and then as soon as McDermott went to Buffalo the team collapsed while McDermott thrived in his new environment I'd feel like Gase was pretty similar to Quinn.

Quinn will always be able to claim he took a team to the Super Bowl, but everyone knows Kyle Shanahan and Matt Ryan got them there. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

We're not debating resumes. We're saying how good we subjectively think they are. 

If Adam Gase went to the Super Bowl because his DC Sean McDermott had an elite defense with an MVP edge rusher despite never having a good offense, and then as soon as McDermott went to Buffalo the team collapsed while McDermott thrived in his new environment I'd feel like Gase was pretty similar to Quinn.

Quinn will always be able to claim he took a team to the Super Bowl, but everyone knows Kyle Shanahan and Matt Ryan got them there. 

Just like Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
57 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Here are some scores from those 13 losses where the Dolphins “competed.”

59-10

43-0

31-6

31-21

27-14

37-20

41-24

36-20

They played both the Pats close for most of the game last week and the Bills close yesterday 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The only HC I voted for was Matt Patricia.  I agree that B O'B and Dan Quinn both stink but they've at least had some level of success.  Quinn got to the Superbowl (albeit with Kyle Shanahan) and B O'B has gotten to the postseason.

I voted the same way.  

I think Bill O'Brien the coach is much better than Bill O'Brien the GM

Judge hasn't been around long enough to evaluate.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, adb280z said:

I voted the same way.  

I think Bill O'Brien the coach is much better than Bill O'Brien the GM

Judge hasn't been around long enough to evaluate.

I didn’t vote for the Browns or Bengals HC because they’re too new. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Amazingly, 16 coaches have received votes so far.  That would mean Gase is in the top half of HC's - lol.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  



Content Partnership

Yes Network

Site Sponsor

MILE-Social - NJ Social Media & SEO company
×
×
  • Create New...