section314 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: @SAR I Like the great Mike Damone once said...."I woke up in a great mood."? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Snook said: Animal house Tnx. See what the jets do to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shea Jet Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, section314 said: You sound like Dean Wormer talking to Flounder in Caddyshack.? Wish Darnold would throw up on Gase... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 5 hours ago, The Crusher said: @CTM can’t believe it’s even a question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Him. If you don't know your mechanics by now? Go buy a car dealership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, BROOKLYN JET said: When did @Maxman add Xrays to our health coverage?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: That's nice. Can he throw? 41/3 68%. Sunshine aint got that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Whether Sam needs Andy Reid or Gase needs Peyton Manning is guess work. The only thing that is factual is Gase + Darnold doesn't work. Something needs to change... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, section314 said: When did @Maxman add Xrays to our health coverage?? He told you that was an Xray booth? ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Fickle Jets fans. It's still gonna be a 1 from me, dawg. The only thing I'm wavering on is which QB I want. @JiF has me reconsidering whether Lawrence is the slam dunk choice. The guy had a respectable rating (86) and Herndon's drop on a perfect ball was the only thing keeping him from around a 100 rating last week - with no receiver that can get separation. It's the cast and more importantly, the play calling. No way do we draft a QB next year - Sam will play well when Bell, Crowder and Mims are on the field. Unless the coach continues to sabotage him, that is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said: I'm not so sure Sam's issues have anything to do with mechanics. I keep hearing Gase say how much more comfortable Sam is in the offense and how well he knows it. Well, to me, Sam looks uncertain and uncomfortable in the offense. QB's in command of an O can be seen "directing traffic", barking out orders and pulling the trigger quickly on pass plays. Does that sound like Sam? On the spectrum of QB styles and skill sets from Peyton Manning to Brett Favre, where does Sam fall? He is far closer to Favre in style and skillset. So, why does Gase expect Sam to be Peyton Manning? I am totally frustrated with the unbending nature of our brilliant offensive minds coaching and the reason is ..... because he is NOT a football coach. He is a glorified quality control coach. Players are not people with individual skill sets and motivations. Instead, they are simply interchangeable cogs in his machine. Regrettably, Gase just doesn't understand that his machine only works if the QB pulling the trigger is and all time great with a career's worth of knowledge at his disposal. And seriously, any of us could coordinate a Peyton Manning led offense to good results. Every football coach worth his salt maximizes what his players do well and avoids what they do poorly. Conversely, that is precisely how you attack opposing teams. Jesus, BB built a HOF coaching career doing precisely this, but with the religious ferocity of Southeastern Iraqi Shia Iman. CJ, please fire Gase and hire a football coach. Jason Garret is already in town and will lead the Jets to respectability while developing Sam. Like you said, we all up close got to see Sunday night how the Pats let Cam do his thing. They may have lost on the last play but to be within a few yards of beating the hawks in their backyard after a cross country trip is a testament to letting the QB play his game. If Gas were doing it with Cam he would stop him from running by calling no running plays and the same with Lamar Jackson. Sure it's a dangerous way to play QB, but that's who they are. A play nobody is talking about I was impressed with was the 1st down run by Darnold on Sunday he had to actually bull his way through since a defender had part of his shoulder pad. Nice play, then why on 4th and 1 do you not only disallow Darnold to audible to a QB sneak and worse off why didn't Gase call a QB sneak there to begin with?. Geez. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: Fantasy, he was recruited as a QB. It's not fantasy. It's fact. He was recruited initially by Justin Wilcox to come in and play outside linebacker. He declined initially. That is absolutely true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Some pretty inane threads these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, victorjets said: I don't know who ruined, but I know who won't fix it.. $50 in quarters (Do arcade games still take quarters?) to play Dance Dance Revolution would be a better footwork coach than Dwight Lowgains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, Greensleeves said: The guy had a respectable rating (86) and Herndon's drop on a perfect ball was the only thing keeping him from around a 100 rating last week - with no receiver that can get separation. It's the cast and more importantly, the play calling. No way do we draft a QB next year - Sam will play well when Bell, Crowder and Mims are on the field. Unless the coach continues to sabotage him, that is. It's the surrounding cast AND Darnold. Darnold isn't the guy, and Douglas knows it. At Darnold's best he's still an average or below average QB, with Andy Dalton as his ceiling. We can, should, and will, do better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I have no allegiance to Darnold. He wasn't even the QB I wanted in the draft. However, it's clear to me that he was on his way in year 1, and has regressed significantly since. When I look at all of the factors, I see two common traits: - Darnold without Gase was a highly touted prospect who in year 1 had cleaned up his fumbling issues, had his ups and downs including a disaster in Miami, but also showed consistent growth through the year. At the end of year 1, everyone was excited about him, and for good reason. This wasn't Sanchez being dragged along by a top 3 roster, it was Darnold looking like a real QB even in the face of awful circumstances. - Gase, in every OC/HC gig he's had other than when Peyton was running his offense, has been a consistently awful coach. The only time his offenses were not bottom third of the league was in Chicago as an OC in 2015, and even then his offense was only 21st in yards and 23rd in points. That Chicago offense also featured Cutler, Forte, Alshon, Eddie Royal, Martellus Bennett, and Zach Miller. He wasn't able to elevate Cutler who actually had better production under Trestman the two years prior to Gase's arrival, and Tannehill regressed significantly under Gase as did a lot of the offensive players in Miami. Look no further than how players are doing after leaving Gase's teams. Ultimately, if Lawrence is there for the taking, you make that pick. Can't not make it. But, it's a shame that we didn't get to see Darnold with Kliff or McCarthy or Rhule. I firmly believe that Darnold will have a resurgence wherever he ends up away from Gase. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I believe in sam I dont believe in Gase or his system I dont believe in the "weapons" or gm has given him-should have traded bell for hopkins-Bell >johnson well until the jets got a hold of him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: I have no allegiance to Darnold. gre greenwichjetsfan Green Wich & Sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, kmnj said: I dont believe in the "weapons" or gm has given him-should have traded bell for hopkins-Bell >johnson well until the jets got a hold of him I would love to see him play a game or two here with even an average (15th or 16th best?) supporting cast. Unfortunately, I don't think that is going to happen and that is what bums me out most about the entire Darnold tenure. We have never even come close to putting a competitive roster around a QB who we picked at number 3 overall (and traded 3 second round picks for). It's just incredible to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smashmouth Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 When I look at the QB we drafted out of college I did see some things I didn't like and some things I really liked. I never liked how he looked in the pocket or the way his throwing motion looked in college and I said as much long before the draft, However I loved his accuracy and his ability to scramble out of the pocket and how well he threw the football on designed roll outs. Even his mechanics were better when he rolled out or threw on the run because his momentum kept him from stepping in the bucket or throwing off his back foot. Playing out of the pocket seemed to be his strong suit and I think that's what made him so appealing as not many QB's have that ability and are also able to be very accurate in the process. The turnovers bothered me but a lot of them were due to poor ball security and in his first year in the NFL he's seemed to remedy the fumble problem which gave me hope hey this guy can learn. So if his strong suit is rolling out throwing on the run why do we never see a designed roll out like Ever ?? What we are seeing is coaches forcing Darnold into something he's obviously not comfortable doing. He does not like standing in the pocket with pressure around him every single play he just does not look good and his mechanics fail him more often than not. So he is the same guy he was in college and his college coach probably recognized this and adjusted accordingly. So Darnold dazzled many scouts and fans with his ability but we never got to see him in the pocket with any real consistency with pressure and now we are getting a big dose of that and he's just not adapting to life in the NFL under those circumstances and he may never. That does not excuse the HC for not at least trying to make this kid comfortable in the game we all know could give better results. Once he starts gaining some confidence by freeing him up a bit then maybe that would be a huge help because then teams won't be able to just tee off on a guy who seems to be having major issues in the pocket. As I suggested with Mark Sanchez, mix in the hurry up offense let the kid STOP thinking so much and do what comes naturally to him and give him the damn keys. No one can claim this will hurt the defense because we are always 3 and out anyhow so why not at least try something different ? I'm not sure Darnold will ever be the guy who could stand back in the pocket and zip the football where it needs to go and in that respect its going to eventually hurt his career but at least give him the shot to prove he can do it in other ways . 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 51 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: gre greenwichjetsfan Green Wich & Sam Cool cool. Yes, as you've probably gleaned from my posts, I believe his career trajectory has been negatively impacted by Gase and believe he's better than what he's putting out on the field right now, but I wasn't a Darnold fanboy to begin with, and I fully support taking Lawrence if available. But carry on wit ya bad self. Edit: I'm fairly certain I made those changes to my profile during the 2018 season after the GB game, and I generally don't look at that stuff so I haven't changed it. Otherwise, from January 2019 onwards, it would have been a picture of Gase with a big red X overlaid, and the little moniker would have read Say No to Gase. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kmnj Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 Adam Gase happened and no wrs happened-it really is that simple give a young qb a coach and a star wr and suddenly they develop coaching matters and weapons matter the real question is why did we draft a franchise qb and set him up to fail? I am sure Sam wants out as fast as he can-he looks at Tannehill and says just hang in until the contract ends the run for the hills 6 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 68JET11 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 While I get there are a lot of people down on him, I feel bad for the kid to have to go though this. He deserves better and a chance at a coach who actually knows something about football. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post section314 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 I heard him on the Michael Kay show last night. The guy sounds like he just went 15 rds with Tyson in his prime. Listening to it, I felt like I was at a wake. This is not the kid we drafted. Something has to give here. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetstream23 Posted September 22, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 Gase is turning Darnold into a robot, boxing him into a system where he's becoming gun-shy about making mistakes. If Gase could use a Xbox controller to move Darnold around on the field he would. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonMaynardFan Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Yeah, thats wrong Which part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, kmnj said: Adam Gase happened and no wrs happened-it really is that simple give a young qb a coach and a star wr and suddenly they develop coaching matters and weapons matter the real question is why did we draft a franchise qb and set him up to fail? I am sure Sam wants out as fast as he can-he looks at Tannehill and says just hang in until the contract ends the run for the hills A stating wr trio of Crowder , Perriman and Mims paired with a TE in Herndon is not upper echelon but its not bottom barrel either. Take away some of those parts and it gets exposed much more. Look at the Saints last night w/o Thomas or the Bucs week 1 w/o Evans. Sure the optics have been bad , but it will get better . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, 68JET11 said: While I get there are a lot of people down on him, I feel bad for the kid to have to go though this. He deserves better and a chance at a coach who actually knows something about football. yep I agree sadly the success or lack of success by many players is determined by what team selects them and what tooks they give him to develop and succeed. The offense is painful to watch but really guy is throwing to guys that basically are not NFL caliber wrs and gore is way way way washed They handed darnold keys to the car and then he saw it has no engine and square wheels and people wonder why he cant drive 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BornJetsFan1983 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 yeah its crap what we are doing to that kid 1 4 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Nothing happened, that’s the problem. He never got better or fixed his worst qualities from college. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 It's all bullsh*t excuses... so USC shold have rolled out Darnold ALL THE TIME, we turned him into a robot by making him throw from the pocket... what torture... what yoiung QB could STAND such CRAZY ideas seriously? you guys are infantilizing him.... Gase must be punished, Sam must be coddled.... again IDGAF about GAse... wacthing good NFL Qbs throw the ball, take hits to make plays and watching Sam ??? different category entirely. Sam is bottom tier until he plays his way out of it. Looking up at old man Fitz.... STILL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Gase is turning Darnold into a robot, boxing him into a system where he's becoming gun-shy about making mistakes. If Gase could use a Xbox controller to move Darnold around on the field he would. will the Xbox fix his sh*tty footwork? Jordan Palmer cant, Bates couldnt, Gase cant.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #27TheDominator Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 Darnold's accuracy is an odd thing. He has some throws where it is mind boggling how he drops the ball into a tiny window. He has done it under pressure, off-platform, you name it. Flashes of absolute brilliance. OTOH, it is not consistent and there are plenty of throws where I shake my head. I don't think he has the strongest arm. Strong enough, but closer to Matt Ryan than Matt Stafford IMO. His mobility seems good. He has escapability (not a real word) and can elude pressure, but he isn't going to scare anybody running the way that Allen or Jackson do. I think the hope is more Ben Roethlisberger back there. I don't think going to the hurry up is the answer. Sure, Darnold seems good in a mad scramble, but the receivers are not and they are all pretty new to this offense. It seems to me that having a hurry up with Perine, Hogan, Berrios and Malone is a recipe for disaster. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, kmnj said: Adam Gase happened and no wrs happened-it really is that simple give a young qb a coach and a star wr and suddenly they develop coaching matters and weapons matter the real question is why did we draft a franchise qb and set him up to fail? I am sure Sam wants out as fast as he can-he looks at Tannehill and says just hang in until the contract ends the run for the hills No doubt a HC happened and a lack of Weapons happened but that still does not excuse how he looks in the pocket. When you are under pressure sometimes you have to make your first 2 reads and either bail or throw the ball away. JD started with the foundation of building the OL and drafting 1 WR ... Gases use of Bell is criminal not only for Bell but for at least taking some pressure off the QB with some screens. This could very well all come down on the offense Gase is running because its terrible. With all that being said I'm still seeing a QB playing scared and very uncomfortable and maybe its time Sam gets in Gases face and tries to be the leader he wants to be after all this is his career and if he's not getting it done with Gase there has to be some fire under his ass to confront his HC and say WTF are we doing here. I mean you have former players and analysts ripping Gase and what he's doing so you would think the players on the field would see it as well nothing says you can't push your coach a bit Brady certainly did it right on camera for all to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Integrity28 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 I’ve said it since day one... the best offense for Sam’s skill set would have been Shanahan’s west coast adaptation. 1-cut downhill running and lots of moving pocket, play action. They drafted this kid and I swear to ****sticks not one person in the organization looked at how to help him succeed. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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