Robbie

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

On 9/23/2020 at 6:58 AM, Ghost said:

one trick pony. 

[pdxgreen]

"JOE LIES!   JOE LIEEESSS!"

 

[pdxgreen]

Double Post

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Bump? I have a hunch it'd get bumped if he caught just 1 pass for 6 yards this past Sunday.

Remember: all he does, and all he can do, is run a go route. Avg route is 6.6 yards at time of catch with 6.9 YAC. Pretty short go routes they run down there in Carolina. 

• 28/34 (82.4% catch rate) and one of those 6 non-catches was a meaningless, low % heave with 16 seconds left in week 2.
• 377 yards
• Just 1 TD, but it's also the only one Teddy's thrown to a WR so far this season.

Good for him.

Means nothing to the Jets.  Every single variable is different for Anderson (better I'd argue) than it was or would have been here.

i.e. what he does in Carolina means nothing to how he would have performed here.

So good for him, he's had an excellent start to his season.  Beyond that, why should we care beyond misguided self-flagellation and typical ex-Jet Obsession Syndrome?

[Losmeister]

On 9/23/2020 at 9:22 PM, JetFreak89 said:

Not only is it a reflection of the QB but it is also a reflection of his route percentage. As the haters love to point out, he is a deep ball specialist. Well deep balls in general have a significantly lower percentage of being caught. If he ran 90% of his routes at the line of scrimmage I would venture to guess his catch percentage would go through the roof. 

he's getting open on shorter routes this year and at a ridiculous 82.4%

I dont think they run w/ a traditional slot WR. So the WRs rotate the underneat stuff, I THINK.

[Rhg1084]

He has the 6th most receiving yards in the league. On pace for 1600 yards with Teddy Bridgewater as his QB lol

[Losmeister]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Good for him.

Means nothing to the Jets.  Every single variable is different for Anderson (better I'd argue) than it was or would have been here.

i.e. what he does in Carolina means nothing to how he would have performed here.

So good for him, he's had an excellent start to his season.  Beyond that, why should we care beyond misguided self-flagellation and typical ex-Jet Obsession Syndrome?

To me it's simply an execrise in pointing out how PAINFULLY low the football acumen at JetNation is.

People slagged Robbo with all manner of nonsense, instead of recognizing that he was a solid NFL WR that makes every team in a heartbeat. 

[Losmeister]

oh, I'll take Teddy B's word about "lazy"

 

 

[Philc1]

47 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

He has the 6th most receiving yards in the league. On pace for 1600 yards with Teddy Bridgewater as his QB lol

That’s fine with me I picked him up in fantasy

 

#Gaseeffect

[Philc1]

54 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

he's getting open on shorter routes this year and at a ridiculous 82.4%

I dont think they run w/ a traditional slot WR. So the WRs rotate the underneat stuff, I THINK.

The idea that Robby was a one route guy here was just ignorant.  He wasn’t.  He and Sam had good chemistry on crossing routes and other shorter routes

[Jet Life]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

If only Macc had paid Anderson instead of Enunwa, kept Bridgewater, and we hired Matt Rhule.  

Somehow still replace Macc with Douglas and we'd be sitting in pretty good shape right now!

I'm still shocked Macc paid Enunwa over Anderson. I shouldn't be because Macc literally f*cked up everything he touched, but still.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Losmeister said:

To me it's simply an execrise in pointing out how PAINFULLY low the football acumen at JetNation is.

People slagged Robbo with all manner of nonsense, instead of recognizing that he was a solid NFL WR that makes every team in a heartbeat. 

Except they didn't.

They said he was, at best, a #2 WR.  And his skills warranted a commensurate salary offer.  A view 100% warranted by his play over multiple years here.

Even his harshest critics, like me, were fine with him as a #2/#3 WR.  Just not as a #1, because he proved here he wasn't a #1 WR here.

Now, he's moved on, and is doing great so far in Carolina, with every variable different.  Hard to draw anything from that about what he'd be doing here if he'd accepted our more-than-fair offer and signed here.

Proof is that till almost the end, no one gave him any offers, only the Jets.  Carolina only stepped in very late, with a personal connection to the Coach.

So if Jets Fans "got it wrong", so did the entire NFL as well.

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said:

He has the 6th most receiving yards in the league. On pace for 1600 yards with Teddy Bridgewater as his QB lol

You say "lol" like Bridgewater isn't a better QB than Sam.  He is, so far. 

As is literally every other player on Carolina vs. their equivalent here with the Jets,

[fullblast]

Robby quickly becoming a fan favorite in Carolina.

Perriman is cool tho. He practicing this week?

[FidelioJet]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Except they didn't.

They said he was, at best, a #2 WR.  And his skills warranted a commensurate salary offer.  A view 100% warranted by his play over multiple years here.

Even his harshest critics, like me, were fine with him as a #2/#3 WR.  Just not as a #1, because he proved here he wasn't a #1 WR here.

Now, he's moved on, and is doing great so far in Carolina, with every variable different.  Hard to draw anything from that about what he'd be doing here if he'd accepted our more-than-fair offer and signed here.

Proof is that till almost the end, no one gave him any offers, only the Jets.  Carolina only stepped in very late, with a personal connection to the Coach.

So if Jets Fans "got it wrong", so did the entire NFL as well.

Except he was looking to be paid as a #1 WR and didn’t get that.  
Fans here insisted Perriman is the same player, even though he had the production. 

[Stark]

36 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Except he was looking to be paid as a #1 WR and didn’t get that.  
Fans here insisted Perriman is the same player, even though he had the production. 

Perriman can’t hold Robbie’s jock. 
 

Perriman is garbage and literally JAG. Change my mind 

[Kevin L]

54 minutes ago, fullblast said:

Robby quickly becoming a fan favorite in Carolina.

Perriman is cool tho. He practicing this week?

Perriman has 5 catches for 29 yards. 

Should only take about 10 years to match Robby's output from last year.

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, Jet Life said:

I'm still shocked Macc paid Enunwa over Anderson. I shouldn't be because Macc literally f*cked up everything he touched, but still.

It's as if it was his personal mission to sabotage the organization.  He was that bad at his job.

[sciond]

seriously we are so loaded at wide receiver we didn't need him

and with Gase's coaching we should be able to put anyone in this system and produce....

 

our receiver's could not outrun Becton....

[Warfish]

3 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Except he was looking to be paid as a #1 WR and didn’t get that.  
Fans here insisted Perriman is the same player, even though he had the production. 

I can't speak for "fans", only me.  We offered a fair deal, he refused it.  He chose to leave.

And yes, I expected Perriman + Mims + Crowder +Herndon to be as good as Anderson + Crowder + Thomas + Griffin

Perriman and Mims basicly haven't played due to injury.  Herndon has played horribly.  Crowder is Crowder.

Anderson was a 750 yard a year WR here, mostly.  Yes, I expected Perriman/Mims to make up for that 750 yards.  

[Losmeister]

6 hours ago, Warfish said:

Except they didn't.

They said he was, at best, a #2 WR.  And his skills warranted a commensurate salary offer.  A view 100% warranted by his play over multiple years here.

Even his harshest critics, like me, were fine with him as a #2/#3 WR.  Just not as a #1, because he proved here he wasn't a #1 WR here.

Now, he's moved on, and is doing great so far in Carolina, with every variable different.  Hard to draw anything from that about what he'd be doing here if he'd accepted our more-than-fair offer and signed here.

Proof is that till almost the end, no one gave him any offers, only the Jets.  Carolina only stepped in very late, with a personal connection to the Coach.

So if Jets Fans "got it wrong", so did the entire NFL as well.

no,peeps were saying hes a #4. that he had drops issues. all bs. nobody anywhere said he's a wr#1.,

all good tho.  hes gine. doing good, and perriman....

[Losmeister]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

expected Perriman/Mims to make up for that 750 yards.  

wjy should 2 wrs, a 1st rnd draft choice and a2nd, have to combine to make up for the slagged udfa?

 

[Warfish]

9 hours ago, Losmeister said:

wjy should 2 wrs, a 1st rnd draft choice and a2nd, have to combine to make up for the slagged udfa?

What are you on about exactly?

Anderson was a consistent 750 yards, 5 TD per season WR here with Sam.  That is simply a fact.

It's more than reasonable IMO to expect a 650 yard, 6 TD WR (Perriman) and a top-tier-ish rookie WR prospect to A. not both be hurt all season and B. to produce, combined, at least the 750 yards and 5 TD's produced by the seemingly now-beloved Anderson.

Lets also factor in that Sam has been materially worse in 2020 than in previous years, bad decisions, bad throws, missed open WR's.  There is no reason whatsoever to think Anderson being here changes that aspect of Sam's play.  

So, if you want to be unhappy, that's fine, our on-field product is poo, and the two WR's we needed are both unreliable so far.  Good reason to bad unhappy.  I just don't agree that Anderson is a meaningful part of where WE are today. 

If you think he's the #6 WR in the NFL playing here, if only, if only, if only JD has overpaid for him, well......I think you're dreaming, or need to get off the sauce, lol.

[CTM]

Anderson play this year is just more proof of how much Darnold sucks.

Fight me

[Sperm Edwards]

17 hours ago, Warfish said:

Good for him.

Means nothing to the Jets.  Every single variable is different for Anderson (better I'd argue) than it was or would have been here.

i.e. what he does in Carolina means nothing to how he would have performed here.

So good for him, he's had an excellent start to his season.  Beyond that, why should we care beyond misguided self-flagellation and typical ex-Jet Obsession Syndrome?

You're taking your own conclusion to my point, not my conclusion.

The point was not "if we had kept Anderson he'd have these same numbers he has on Carolina." The point, rather, is this is a player capable of far better than he put up here, and the problem was the rest of the Jets - whatever combination or % blame goes to the QB, the coaching, the playcalling, and others on offense - rather than Anderson. Anderson was a good player we had, with this type of potential, at a position of need that became a position of even greater need without him, who was scapegoated for not being even better than he is (the "he's not a true #1" stupidity, as though anyone considered paying him the $18-27MM/year, with 2-3 years guaranteed, that true/elite #1 WRs now get). 

I'd say you do quite the same thing in any number of your lamentations over the past 3 offseasons in letting Bridgewater go for a future late 3rd round pick - I believe ultimately Chuma Edoga - before seeing Darnold was a better (or even an adequate) starter. But when it's you then it's ok . 

This isn't ex-Jet anything. It's nothing like those still crying over Adams, for whom we got major compensation in return. Trading him was an obvious move when such an opportunity presented itself; in particular for a Jets team with so many needs at bigger impact positions before even thinking about using the resources for up to 4 good starters on one box safety. What we got, for not retaining Anderson, was virtually nothing: ~$10MM in cap space the team always leaves available anyway, with just one year guaranteed, plus it left open an extra roster spot we could use for the best of the camp fodder or to later add the likes of Chris Hogan.

It's not about ex-Jets (since most are terrible as ex-Jets) so much as it's an example of poor judgment by the current Jets decision-makers. It was poor use of a player by myopically pigeonholing him into a single role and thus believing that's his only use. Not even a month elsewhere we see he's not merely a borderline WR2/WR3 who's incapable of anything other than a go route and has bad hands (rationalizing low completion rates always being on the receiver rather than the passer plus excess of lower percentage routes run). Anderson being an ex-Jet makes it worse not just because the team should have seen more rounded ability firsthand in endless practices, but further because extending him before reaching UFA status was a far easier task than convincing another UFA to sign here. Particularly for a UDFA who hadn't pocketed major money yet, who was always one play away from never really cashing in.

Given the need to remove all excuses from Darnold's 2020 season, the Jets needed to draft a WR early and add another veteran (or another high pick WR) even if they kept Anderson, so as not to automatically hand a starting job to yet another unworthy draft pick or new, lower-level UFA - let alone to both - even if healthy. I mistakenly took you for someone who craves competition at positions, not handing people jobs due to recent draft status or because career backups were the best leftover FAs available so we signed them. 

[jgb]

9 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

You're taking your own conclusion to my point, not my conclusion.

The point was not "if we had kept Anderson he'd have these same numbers he has on Carolina." The point, rather, is this is a player capable of far better than he put up here, and the problem was the rest of the Jets - whatever combination or % blame goes to the QB, the coaching, the playcalling, and others on offense - rather than Anderson. Anderson was a good player we had, with this type of potential, at a position of need that became a position of even greater need without him, who was scapegoated for not being even better than he is (the "he's not a true #1" stupidity, as though anyone considered paying him the $18-27MM/year, with 2-3 years guaranteed, that true/elite #1 WRs now get). 

I'd say you do quite the same thing in any number of your lamentations over the past 3 offseasons in letting Bridgewater go for a future late 3rd round pick - I believe ultimately Chuma Edoga - before seeing Darnold was a better (or even an adequate) starter. But when it's you then it's ok . 

This isn't ex-Jet anything. It's nothing like those still crying over Adams, for whom we got major compensation in return. Trading him was an obvious move when such an opportunity presented itself; in particular for a Jets team with so many needs at bigger impact positions before even thinking about using the resources for up to 4 good starters on one box safety. What we got, for not retaining Anderson, was virtually nothing: ~$10MM in cap space the team always leaves available anyway, with just one year guaranteed, plus it left open an extra roster spot we could use for the best of the camp fodder or to later add the likes of Chris Hogan.

It's not about ex-Jets (since most are terrible as ex-Jets) so much as it's an example of poor judgment by the current Jets decision-makers. It was poor use of a player by myopically pigeonholing him into a single role and thus believing that's his only use. Not even a month elsewhere we see he's not merely a borderline WR2/WR3 who's incapable of anything other than a go route and has bad hands (rationalizing low completion rates always being on the receiver rather than the passer plus excess of lower percentage routes run). Anderson being an ex-Jet makes it worse not just because the team should have seen more rounded ability firsthand in endless practices, but further because extending him before reaching UFA status was a far easier task than convincing another UFA to sign here. Particularly for a UDFA who hadn't pocketed major money yet, who was always one play away from never really cashing in.

Given the need to remove all excuses from Darnold's 2020 season, the Jets needed to draft a WR early and add another veteran (or another high pick WR) even if they kept Anderson, so as not to automatically hand a starting job to yet another unworthy draft pick or new, lower-level UFA - let alone to both - even if healthy. I mistakenly took you for someone who craves competition at positions, not handing people jobs due to recent draft status or because career backups were the best leftover FAs available so we signed them. 

Love the "not a true #1" nonsense when your team only has a decent enough slot receiver and #8's on the outside.

JN also has it completely backwards. Blame Darnold's struggles on his "weaponz" but never consider that maybe--I'm warning you this is a radical concept--the dude throwing the ball is holding the "weaponz" back.

[Warfish]

15 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

The point, rather, is this is a player capable of far better than he put up here, and the problem was the rest of the Jets.

The facts today, 4 games into 2020, would certainly seem to support that.  TBD if it carries thru the rest of 2020 and beyond.

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I don't know what else to say, honestly.

1. We offered Anderson a very fair deal for his career resume to-date.  He refused it, then (IMO) lied about it to the media.

2. No one wanted him at his asking price.  No one in the NFL.  If he was such a sure thing, why didn't champion teams come knocking?

3. Carolina came in very late, with his old college coach connection, and offered him a lesser deal that what we offered him.  He took that deal.

I simply don't know what the Anderson Fans expected JD to do. 

Overpay again like the prev. GM did with Enunwa?  Bid against himself when no one else was interested, like previous GM's did?  Overpay him (at #1 WR money) based on a vague idea of his "potential" that he never remotely lived up to here in NY?  Signing the 750 yards a year Anderson to #1 WR money long-term (which IS what would have been required to keep him here) is so very Same Old Jetsy it's almost laughable.  And there is no guarantee, given the Gase Curse, that Anderson is not on IR today himself.  His histroy ir irrelevant when the Gase Curse is involved.

This is an example of hindsight being perfect, not foresight.  None of you thought he would be on-pace for 1,500 yards at this point, or many more of you would have said exactly that during all those old threads about him.  No one, not even his biggest fans, said anything like that. 

JD's actions are entirely defendable when it comes to Anderson, and ignoring that he's running a team still paying for Enunwa (a similar "potential" according to Jets Fans, if he could have stayed healthy) it's rather obvious why he didn't overpay for Anderson.  His decision to sign Perriman......that one is a doozy, obviously.  But he believed in the guy, so yeah, JD not so good there.

And again, it makes no difference whatsoever to where we are now, so why get worked up about it?  We're still the worst O in the NFL and 0-4 if Anderson was here, and Anderson almost assuredly would be the same Anderson we always saw this year.  So.....what is all the sturm un drang about actually?  That we as a team suck, well that's obvious.  And it starts with the QB who clearly couldn't get out of Anderson what Teddy B. apparently can.

[Sperm Edwards]

28 minutes ago, Warfish said:

The facts today, 4 games into 2020, would certainly seem to support that.  TBD if it carries thru the rest of 2020 and beyond.

I don't know what else to say, honestly.

1. We offered Anderson a very fair deal for his career resume to-date.  He refused it, then (IMO) lied about it to the media.

2. No one wanted him at his asking price.  No one in the NFL.  If he was such a sure thing, why didn't champion teams come knocking?

3. Carolina came in very late, with his old college coach connection, and offered him a lesser deal that what we offered him.  He took that deal.

I simply don't know what the Anderson Fans expected JD to do. 

Overpay again like the prev. GM did with Enunwa?  Bid against himself when no one else was interested, like previous GM's did?  Overpay him (at #1 WR money) based on a vague idea of his "potential" that he never remotely lived up to here in NY?  Signing the 750 yards a year Anderson to #1 WR money long-term (which IS what would have been required to keep him here) is so very Same Old Jetsy it's almost laughable.  And there is no guarantee, given the Gase Curse, that Anderson is not on IR today himself.  His histroy ir irrelevant when the Gase Curse is involved.

This is an example of hindsight being perfect, not foresight.  None of you thought he would be on-pace for 1,500 yards at this point, or many more of you would have said exactly that during all those old threads about him.  No one, not even his biggest fans, said anything like that. 

JD's actions are entirely defendable when it comes to Anderson, and ignoring that he's running a team still paying for Enunwa (a similar "potential" according to Jets Fans, if he could have stayed healthy) it's rather obvious why he didn't overpay for Anderson.  His decision to sign Perriman......that one is a doozy, obviously.  But he believed in the guy, so yeah, JD not so good there.

And again, it makes no difference whatsoever to where we are now, so why get worked up about it?  We're still the worst O in the NFL and 0-4 if Anderson was here, and Anderson almost assuredly would be the same Anderson we always saw this year.  So.....what is all the sturm un drang about actually?  That we as a team suck, well that's obvious.  And it starts with the QB who clearly couldn't get out of Anderson what Teddy B. apparently can.

Well it's your opinion what the Jets offered was a good offer for him. Never mind it never should have gotten this far. The time to extend him was a year earlier, before he'd seen a single low-7-figure season as a RFA. Maccagnan instead extended Enunwa. Then after that the team should have seen if he would take their offer in October - or even made an offer in October - and if he turns them down then get something for him while there's an offer on the table. 

"Overpay" is a relative term. Overpaying a single year to $12MM instead of $10MM - if it'd have even taken that - is worthwhile for a team like the Jets. Overpaying him $15MM+/year is not. 

Plus the offer they gave him was demonstrably worse than the Carolina offer. A 4-year deal with 1 year guaranteed is worse than a 2-year deal with 1 year guaranteed if the average amount is roughly the same. That's even assuming the guaranteed amount on the Jets' offer was as high as the guaranteed amount on the Panthers' offer, which it probably wasn't, your opinion notwithstanding. The player says it wasn't and the team never said it was. 

No I didn't think he'd be on pace for 1500 yards (though I don't like to extrapolate after just 4 games). But I've said he was certainly a player capable of 1100-1200 yards with a decent QB. In that case you get a better QB and/or better coaches; you don't throw away the good starting receiver over 1 year / $2MM worth of additional guaranteed cap space that will go unused or to useless backups like Farley anyway.

I'm not worked up so much as pessimistic that this team can even evaluate talent on its own roster.

[Jetsfan80]

54 minutes ago, CTM said:

Anderson play this year is just more proof of how much Darnold sucks.

Fight me

Absolutely.  The additional proof to this is Anderson's numbers with Darnold were similar to the numbers he posted with the collection of other QB's he played with in the 2016-18 seasons: Josh McCown, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Geno Smith and Bryce Petty. 

His catch rate was steady throughout his tenure with the Jets, regardless of the QB:  About a 54-55 % catch rate, 14-15 yards per reception, 8 yards per target.  He was remarkably consistent, which isn't a good look for Darnold.

Same system, same WR, and Darnold didn't make a tangible bit of difference to separate himself from those other QB's when it came to his relationship with Anderson.  

The same people complaining that Darnold "needs more weapons", who were upset Anderson left, would still be clamoring for that had we KEPT Anderson, because he'd still very likely be putting up the same kind of numbers he did from 2016-19.  

[Sperm Edwards]

19 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Absolutely.  The additional proof to this is Anderson's numbers with Darnold were similar to the numbers he posted with the collection of other QB's he played with in the 2016-18 seasons: Josh McCown, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Geno Smith and Bryce Petty. 

His catch rate was steady throughout his tenure with the Jets, regardless of the QB:  About a 54-55 % catch rate, 14-15 yards per reception, 8 yards per target.  He was remarkably consistent, which isn't a good look for Darnold.

Same system, same WR, and Darnold didn't make a tangible bit of difference to separate himself from those other QB's when it came to his relationship with Anderson.  

The same people complaining that Darnold "needs more weapons", who were upset Anderson left, would still be clamoring for that had we KEPT Anderson, because he'd still very likely be putting up the same kind of numbers he did from 2016-19.  

This part I agree with, but fans aren't charged with filling out the roster. Fans complain about everything until it seems to magically correct itself. Those decision makers on the team, who see these players in team drills & practices - and not merely in games - should know the difference. 

Plus I fail to see how replacing him with Perriman is an example of upgrading, let alone significantly upgrading, the receiving corps. 

He got 1 guaranteed season, which is what I expected given his FA comps; far too much is made of his potential contract and how it'd have crippled the Jets in any way. I think what I said at the time is I analogized a slight overpayment - if it's even necessary at all - to a "tax" that bad teams must pay to convince players to come (or stay) here when they have better options elsewhere.

I'm more upset about poor judgment in evaluating the team's own player - and building in more excuses for Darnold in doing so - than lamenting the loss of WR who obviously wasn't irreplaceable (certainly not long term). 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Sperm Edwards said:

This part I agree with, but fans aren't charged with filling out the roster. Fans complain about everything until it seems to magically correct itself. Those decision makers on the team, who see these players in team drills & practices - and not merely in games - should know the difference. 

Plus I fail to see how replacing him with Perriman is an example of upgrading, let alone significantly upgrading, the receiving corps. 

He got 1 guaranteed season, which is what I expected given his FA comps; far too much is made of his potential contract and how it'd have crippled the Jets in any way. I think what I said at the time is I analogized a slight overpayment - if it's even necessary at all - to a "tax" that bad teams must pay to convince players to come (or stay) here when they have better options elsewhere.

I'm more upset about poor judgment in evaluating the team's own player - and building in more excuses for Darnold in doing so - than lamenting the loss of WR who obviously wasn't irreplaceable (certainly not long term). 

 

No one ever said Perriman was an upgrade.  Douglas offered significantly more money and years to Anderson than Perriman, so even he agreed with that analysis.

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

He got 1 guaranteed season, which is what I expected given his FA comps; far too much is made of his potential contract and how it'd have crippled the Jets in any way. I think what I said at the time is I analogized a slight overpayment - if it's even necessary at all - to a "tax" that bad teams must pay to convince players to come (or stay) here when they have better options elsewhere.

I'm more upset about poor judgment in evaluating the team's own player - and building in more excuses for Darnold in doing so - than lamenting the loss of WR who obviously wasn't irreplaceable (certainly not long term). 

Agree with this. 

Especially since, in recent times, the Jets have failed to keep their (very few) decent draft picks long term. They draft a guy, he has some success, he's gone a few years later and has his most success elsewhere. Rinse and repeat. This has to change. 

[Philc1]

18 hours ago, Jet Life said:

I'm still shocked Macc paid Enunwa over Anderson. I shouldn't be because Macc literally f*cked up everything he touched, but still.

To be fair JD did offer Robby $40 million.  Robby denied it but I don’t believe him and even if he’s right I’m sure JD still offered more $$

 

the issue, again, is our toxic head coach no one wants to play for.

[Jethead]

LOL. A team of ex-Jets who were deemed unworthy would kick the shiit out of the current roster.

[Warfish]

 

28 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I'm not worked up so much as pessimistic that this team can even evaluate talent on its own roster.

A more than valid concern so far, all things considered.

On much of the rest, we'll just have to agree to disagree.