BettyBoop Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 hours ago, AFJF said: If this keeps up, look for Cam Clark to steal a starting job before the season is over. Looked terrible on the All 22. So does Joe Doublas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 hours ago, T0mShane said: Cam Clark takes that job in two weeks anyway Hope you're right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 hours ago, mrcoops said: On the Darnold to Berrios TD pass, Sam was forced from the pocket because the DT split a double team by Van Roten and Andrews, neither of whom slowed him down at all. Our Tackles have looked good - well Becton has looked great and Fant OK - but the interior OL has been poor so far this year. Deforest Buckner up this week.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Augustiniak said: The OL will look better when they get more speed on offense and let darnold play his game. Not saying darnold is the savior but clearly he can make plays by running around and not being gased. letting dahnold play his game makes OL block better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 6 hours ago, JetPotato said: He's the guy we gave a 3 year deal to, right? Yes, but it's still essentially a 1-year deal if we want it to be. If we want to cut him after the season, it would only be a $250K dead cap hit, and we'd save $3.3M. If we cut him after the 2021 season, there would be zero dead cap hit and we'd save $3.5M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 When he was signed, everyone thought the Jets would go C in the draft at some point and shift McGovern over to G - where he had played better with Denver. They whiffed on a Center in the draft so now we've got McGovern at his lesser of two positions and another sub-average jag at Guard in Rotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Really underwhelmed by the OL rebuild. I expected much better. Becton is the balls tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 You can’t expect a newly-assembled o-line to gel in 2 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Ohhthepain said: I fully expect IOL to be the pick with our 2nd 1st round pick this year. Our first 1st round pick will hopefully be Jamar Chase ?? Not really. It depends on who is on the board. This team needs a elite edge rusher just as badly as it needs an IOL. No reason we can't find solid OG/C in round 2 or 3. 1st or 2nd 1st rounder needs to be the best Edge Rusher on the Board and then the Best Receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, CanadienJetsFan said: You can’t expect a newly-assembled o-line to gel in 2 games. That missed block was all on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 13 hours ago, AFJF said: A big reason for their struggles right now is McGovern playing like trash. He was supposed to be the "safest" guy in the group and he has flopped for the first couple weeks. No way you can put that on Douglas. Well then who are you putting it on? If you can't blame DougLAS WTH else are you going to blame? The Easter Bunny? Santa Claus? There's a reason why Denver let McGovern go via FA. There's a reason why Seattle let Fant go via FA. That reason is because the teams letting them go thought they could do much better via the draft or FA. EVERYONE on this site knew the very second Douglas signed these players that they were high risk players. It's no secret. The fact that this OL has flopped thus far is 100% JD's fault. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 2:35 PM, JetPotato said: He's the guy we gave a 3 year deal to, right? Contract length not an issue when cutting him is only a hit of 250K with savings over 3 mil. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 11 hours ago, NYJ1 said: Well then who are you putting it on? If you can't blame DougLAS WTH else are you going to blame? The Easter Bunny? Santa Claus? There's a reason why Denver let McGovern go via FA. There's a reason why Seattle let Fant go via FA. That reason is because the teams letting them go thought they could do much better via the draft or FA. EVERYONE on this site knew the very second Douglas signed these players that they were high risk players. It's no secret. The fact that this OL has flopped thus far is 100% JD's fault. 100% When a proven 27 y/o veteran goes from above average starter to struggling horribly, it's on the coaches. McGovern didn't just forget how to play football since the end of last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 18 hours ago, IndianaJet said: When he was signed, everyone thought the Jets would go C in the draft at some point and shift McGovern over to G - where he had played better with Denver. They whiffed on a Center in the draft so now we've got McGovern at his lesser of two positions and another sub-average jag at Guard in Rotten I seem to remember during the draft that when we picked Clark, somebody on either ESPN or NFL network said that some teams projected Clark as a C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 18 hours ago, IndianaJet said: When he was signed, everyone thought the Jets would go C in the draft at some point and shift McGovern over to G - where he had played better with Denver. They whiffed on a Center in the draft so now we've got McGovern at his lesser of two positions and another sub-average jag at Guard in Rotten The optimism over the Greg Van Roten signing is this preseason in a nutshell the dude is 30, undersized, went to Penn (!) from Long Island (!!) never started at Right guard in the NFL in his life, and the Jets gave him right guard he's really like a backup C type, a Josh Andrews plus maybe. He's not really a guy who you want to build around to read the articles this summer Greg Van Roten was John Hannah and by the way, since I'm debbie downer this morning, I've yet to see it mentioned George Fant is in the concussion protocol this week the Becton pick was good, Lewis is OK, the entire rest of the line needs prospects 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Is that a six yard gain we're analyzing and criticizing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The Center will not look good if one of the Guards are not performing. I am giving McGovern the benefit of the doubt, unless he too found an injury to avoid playing for Gase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 It's almost as if signing offensive linemen in free agency is a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 18 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Really underwhelmed by the OL rebuild. I expected much better. Becton is the balls tho In terms of individual players, Becton is the rebuild. There's stuff that happens from the bottom up as well as from the top down, though. You're not supposed to build through free agency and we didn't. McGovern and Van Roten and Fant aren't great. They're not going to be here when the Jets are good again. But the problems with the line weren't just Kalil, Winters, Shell, or even just the overall level of play. It was also age, health, athleticism, contract status, depth, and general lack of any kind of evident personnel strategy. This offseason the Jets got a lot better at a lot of those things, and other than the first rounder they used on Becton, they didn't commit any long-term resources or sacrifice any flexibility to do it. McGovern got the most real money and has been terrible at center. but with the way the line is constructed now, that's an opportunity to get better in at least two and potentially all four of the non-LT spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Is that a six yard gain we're analyzing and criticizing? There are three different plays and we're looking at one specific player through the series of plays. He was beaten badly on all three. If that continues, they will have to find a replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 8:16 AM, AFJF said: If this keeps up, look for Cam Clark to steal a starting job before the season is over. Looked terrible on the All 22. 5 minutes ago, AFJF said: There are three different plays and we're looking at one specific player through the series of plays. He was beaten badly on all three. If that continues, they will have to find a replacement. I looked at the video and its a 6 yard gain. Thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: I looked at the video and its a 6 yard gain. Thats all It was. The reason why it wasn't twice that was because GVR came off his block and couldn't re-engage when he tried to do so. That allowed his guy to make the tackle with Gore having another 5-6 yards in front of him. GVR would go on to get beaten badly on each of the next two plays, preventing the Jets from converting on the 4th and 1 that so many people are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, AFJF said: It was. The reason why it wasn't twice that was because GVR came off his block and couldn't re-engage when he tried to do so. That allowed his guy to make the tackle with Gore having another 5-6 yards in front of him. GVR would go on to get beaten badly on each of the next two plays, preventing the Jets from converting on the 4th and 1 that so many people are talking about. The point is we're complaining about one play in two games with the video. And it gained 6. I'll take those misses on every play run play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 Just now, Jet Nut said: The point is we're complaining about one play in two games with the video. And it gained 6. I'll take those misses on every play run play Okay, so you missed the point of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 This is what you get when you sign others teams back ups. And yes he was mostly a back-up that found a starting role due to injuries - but he was and is very much a back-up level talent - nothing better than what we had. I've said it so many time - New is not better, it's just new. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, AFJF said: Okay, so you missed the point of the thread. No, I dont get the point of picking a vid of a 6 yard gain and complaining about an OL on the play. Youre right. And didnt see 3 plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 8:17 AM, T0mShane said: Cam Clark takes that job in two weeks anyway NOW!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 4:21 PM, Integrity28 said: Really underwhelmed by the OL rebuild. I expected much better. Becton is the balls tho Has Fant played well? Seems Lewis and Rotten are the culprits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Has Fant played well? Seems Lewis and Rotten are the culprits. I read Fant played well. Then also read hes played poorly Read Lewis has played well And also have read Lewis has been to blame. Amazing how OL play is graded by all of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: I've said it so many time - New is not better, it's just new. The OL has been better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: This is what you get when you sign others teams back ups. And yes he was mostly a back-up that found a starting role due to injuries - but he was and is very much a back-up level talent - nothing better than what we had. I've said it so many time - New is not better, it's just new. The line has been better. The scheme, skill position players, QB play and playcalling have not been better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: I read Fant played well. Then also read hes played poorly Read Lewis has played well And also have read Lewis has been to blame. Amazing how OL play is graded by all of us Well Rotten gas played like a rotten egg- for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Just now, Mogglez said: The line has been better. The scheme, skill position players, QB play and playcalling have not been better. Uhhh what skill position players you referring to besides Sam because we don’t have any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Mogglez said: The line has been better. The scheme, skill position players, QB play and playcalling have not been better. Outside of Becton it hasn't been better. GVR. FANT and heck even McGovern haven't been any better than the garbage we had last year. And I was clear then - you simply don't know what Rookies will be - so far it looks like we hit on one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Outside of Becton it hasn't been better. GVR. FANT and heck even McGovern haven't been any better than the garbage we had last year. And I was clear then - you simply don't know what Rookies will be - so far it looks like we hit on one! And that would be wrong. Then OL has been better across the board. Are they great or even real good? No, but theyre better, not worse. Fants not better than what we had? ok, hes your whipping boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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