MS jets Fan Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Yes, in a game where we know going-in that Crowder, Mims, Perriman, and Bell can't play, let's hold Adam Gase accountable and fire him.......oh, and let's replace him with Gregg Williams whose defense has no excuse for sucking as bad as they do and who has his own players speaking out about soft practices. You, sir, are a genius. SAR IWell you are entitled to your opinion appreciate the feed back yet. It’s 2020 not 2019. So your point about the team having a winning record in the second half of last year has not equated to be a momentum move. The team is on a downward spiral once again and Gase has no answer. I’ve been a Jets fan since 1969 so I believe I have a valid point. I always give the benefit of doubt to the coach, yet time and time again it has not equated to another super bowl appearance. The closest was Rex in his first 2 years. Hope you enjoy your day. I hope you become coach since you have such great insight about the game. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Injuries and talent level are irrelevant. This is about effort and preparation. Is anyone really surprised? This was a shortened offseason with no preseason games. How did Gase and the Jets handle it? Soft practices (most reports I read had the players in shorts/shells), one meaningful scrimmage/simulation during the entire summer, and a day off for a political cause. Anyone watching the games can see the Jets players are not in game shape. They are missing routine tackles and taking terrible angles. This is what happens when there is no preseason and a significant percentage of your practices are in shorts and run at half speed. The players have to put in the effort. The coaches have to set the expectations and enforce the standard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, DoubleDown said: Injuries and talent level are irrelevant. This is about effort and preparation. Is anyone really surprised? This was a shortened offseason with no preseason games. How did Gase and the Jets handle it? Soft practices (most reports I read had the players in shorts/shells), one meaningful scrimmage/simulation during the entire summer, and a day off for a political cause. Anyone watching the games can see the Jets players are not in game shape. They are missing routine tackles and taking terrible angles. This is what happens when there is no preseason and a significant percentage of your practices are in shorts and run at half speed. The players have to put in the effort. The coaches have to set the expectations and enforce the standard. Add on half the team spending their day in the trainers room. Not an organization who cares about winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, DoubleDown said: Injuries and talent level are irrelevant. This is about effort and preparation. Is anyone really surprised? This was a shortened offseason with no preseason games. How did Gase and the Jets handle it? Soft practices (most reports I read had the players in shorts/shells), one meaningful scrimmage/simulation during the entire summer, and a day off for a political cause. Anyone watching the games can see the Jets players are not in game shape. They are missing routine tackles and taking terrible angles. This is what happens when there is no preseason and a significant percentage of your practices are in shorts and run at half speed. The players have to put in the effort. The coaches have to set the expectations and enforce the standard. Read those two sentences again. There was virtually no off season , no hitting ( thanks to the CBA & Covid) , so what's the determining factor where all teams are in the same boat - talent and familiarity with a system. The Jets have have many new starters this season ( The whole Oline, the wr's with the exception of Crowder, many new starters on D) - its gonna take time to gel which has been compounded by the lack of PS and padded practices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Add on half the team spending their day in the trainers room. Not an organization who cares about winning. Have you read the League Wide injury report, this isn't a Jets only problem - blame the CBA and Covid. And its not getting any better especially this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Gase sucks and needs to be fired like 2 weeks ago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Read those two sentences again. There was virtually no off season , no hitting ( thanks to the CBA & Covid) , so what's the determining factor where all teams are in the same boat - talent and familiarity with a system. The Jets have have many new starters this season ( The whole Oline, the wr's with the exception of Crowder, many new starters on D) - its gonna take time to gel which has been compounded by the lack of PS and padded practices. All these factors haven’t affected other teams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The most standout point in week one was the complete lack of preparation. Our team looked liked they'd never met each other. Then you come out week 2 and give up an 80 yarder first play. It's just laughable how poorly organised this team is from the top down. A shambles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 57 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Or guys aren't willing to play a little banged up? That in itself is a problem. Maybe Gase doesn't want them to play? Otherwise he might have to provide a different explanation for this disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, SAR I said: The remarks were made by two DEFENDERS about the practices held by GREGG WILLIAMS who, everyone knows, is the head coach of the DEFENSE. These comments have NOTHING TO DO with Adam Gase. SAR I This is an incredible logical leap by you Gase is the HEAD COACH. He owns everything regarding this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Read those two sentences again. There was virtually no off season , no hitting ( thanks to the CBA & Covid) , so what's the determining factor where all teams are in the same boat - talent and familiarity with a system. The Jets have have many new starters this season ( The whole Oline, the wr's with the exception of Crowder, many new starters on D) - its gonna take time to gel which has been compounded by the lack of PS and padded practices. Except Gase bucked the trend of many other teams who increased hitting in camp...and now he's bucked the trend of historically high scoring as well. Many other teams spent time practicing tackling in camp. They *increased* hitting and tackling in camp. Gase did the opposite. The Jets did not practice tackling in camp at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: The most standout point in week one was the complete lack of preparation. Our team looked liked they'd never met each other. Then you come out week 2 and give up an 80 yarder first play. It's just laughable how poorly organised this team is from the top down. A shambles. Bad coaching of a mediocre roster. And I call it a mediocre roster because the Gase Defenders are going to use the roster as an excuse for the 0-16 record but this roster is actually not terrible. The head coach absolutely is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: Except Gase bucked the trend of many other teams who increased hitting in camp...and now he's bucked the trend of historically high scoring as well. Many other teams spent time practicing tackling in camp. They *increased* hitting and tackling in camp. Gase did the opposite. The Jets did not practice tackling in camp at all. Gase offense only looks good when Peyton Manning is running it and calling the plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: Except Gase bucked the trend of many other teams who increased hitting in camp...and now he's bucked the trend of historically high scoring as well. Many other teams spent time practicing tackling in camp. They *increased* hitting and tackling in camp. Gase did the opposite. The Jets did not practice tackling in camp at all. The increased hitting in practice was curtailed due to Covid and the coddling CBA . If teams did it by the book , it was at a minimum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, More Cowbell said: And you said you don't know. People generally like HC's because they do something well like win or have a team ready to play no matter who the players are. You can't even name a reason you like him. Who goes through a season without losing players? Last season Hill on KC was hurt the entire second half of the season and KC won a SB. They also were playing musical RB's. Gase can be judged on who he is playing. Of course I can name reasons I like him, I just wasn't asked the question. Reasons I don't think Adam Gase should be fired: He has prior NFL head coaching experience, is young, and is from the offensive side of the ball. All things that are on-trend and valuable seeing that the Jets have hired exactly 1 head coach with an offensive background in 30 years. He quickly assessed our GM and got him fired. Our new front office seems strong, Douglas seems to have hit with Becton and won't be pushed around in negotiations. He fleeced Seattle for Adams. All good here. And it is due to Gase figuring out Maccagnan and lobbying for his friend JD. He got rid of the weed addicts and malcontents in the locker room and changed the culture of the entire team. Its a necessary and essential part of a rebuild. And no one complained. No 'anonymous insiders' whining. During the 0-4 start last year, with airplanes flying, fans screaming, and the media drooling, he kept his cool and focused on turning things around. He didn't take the bait. He acted like a professional. After the 1-7 start he got a ragtag bunch of backups and third-stringers to play above their pay grade and finish 6-2. Considering how the vultures were out for blood and how the team could have quit and cruised to a 2-14 record, this is a great accomplishment. Sam Darnold finished last year with 14 TD's 4 INT's and a rating of 93.3, top ten in the NFL. With bad receivers. With a decimated OL. Every single coordinator, coach, and assistant coach returned to the team. No mass revolt, no exodus to other teams. Just dozens of guys focused on getting back to their jobs and improving the group. To this moment, not a single New York Jet player or coach has said a negative word about Adam Gase. Jamal Adams said some stuff about Adam and Christopher Johnson to help get himself traded. This week's comments came from two defenders and was about Gregg Williams. In the end, 3/4 of a head coach's responsibility is culture, making adjustments based on personnel, and motivation. Gase gets an A+ for all 3. The last portion, results, he gets an incomplete. Too many injuries and a roster that was a Maccagnan disaster to begin with. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 51 minutes ago, MS jets Fan said: Hope you enjoy your day. I hope you become coach since you have such great insight about the game. Thank you, I am considering applying for the position when it opens in 2025. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Read those two sentences again. There was virtually no off season , no hitting ( thanks to the CBA & Covid) , so what's the determining factor where all teams are in the same boat - talent and familiarity with a system. The Jets have have many new starters this season ( The whole Oline, the wr's with the exception of Crowder, many new starters on D) - its gonna take time to gel which has been compounded by the lack of PS and padded practices. The voice of reason. Required reading. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, Philc1 said: This is an incredible logical leap by you Gase is the HEAD COACH. He owns everything regarding this team Let me go back to last September, October, November, December, and January and the hundreds of posts you made saying that Gregg Williams was doing a great job with the defense and Adam Gase had nothing to do with the defense's success, he was just a glorified offensive coordinator. It might take me a few hours to gather all the posts. There were just so many. You can use this time to explain your double-standard. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, SAR I said: Thank you, I am considering applying for the position when it opens in 2025. SAR I Ladies and Gentlemen let me introduce you to the NY/NJ Clowns football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Read those two sentences again. There was virtually no off season , no hitting ( thanks to the CBA & Covid) , so what's the determining factor where all teams are in the same boat - talent and familiarity with a system. A higher rate of injuries is to be expected. Lack of preparation and fitness are not. Other teams had more padded practices. Other teams put more effort into practice (based on comments from two players who have experience with other organizations). Other teams didn't take a day off for political purposes. Other teams didn't have players taking days off in the trainer's room for minor ailments. Effort and conditioning matter. Through two weeks, the Jets have been outclassed by their opponents in all facets of the game. Personally, I believe lack of preparation and fitness caused by questionable practice habits and effort levels have played a part. Apparently, at least two players on the Jets believe this to be true as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 16 hours ago, T0mShane said: Smells like Greggggg sabotage to me. Yep he knows he should have the gig. Don't blame him. Gase sucks donkey dycks at all football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The Jets faced last seasons SB loser and a team picked by most experts to be a playoff team and win the AFC East , are we surprised they were outclassed given the talent gap and the injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said: Good post. Yes I remember that for quite some time the Jets really didn't have a lot of injuries. It really sucks because Gase is taking the blame. However it's not just here it's all around the league and I'm wondering if there's a whole bunch of crying wolf going on? This is a really strange time because of the pandemic. I'm very sure there were a lot of guys on the fence about opting out, and having a deadline to do so. To me last year was the issue if you want to blame gase or the training staff... Whether or not the issues from last year havent been fixed and that is why we have so many this year I do not know. This year it is league wide, so its hard to say if they just didnt address the issues that plagued us a season ago or if its related to what the rest of the league is experiencing as well. With no ramp up period (shortened training camp and no preseason). Players were forced to do more of their training on their own (which many dont do well), spend less time with the teams training staff (which does most of the preparations for the actual season), and were asked to ramp up to elite competitive levels of physicality in a much shorter amount of time. It is pretty obvious the reasons the injuries this year are at an astronomical level. As much as these players probably hate it, they need an extended time in training camp and they need a preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMAC Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Avery Williamson is a good player and a good guy. If players are publicly criticizing coaching, that is a very big problem. But we knew that already. We knew it from the first press conference. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, 56mehl56 said: The increased hitting in practice was curtailed due to Covid and the coddling CBA . If teams did it by the book , it was at a minimum. Teams *INCREASED* the amount of hitting in camp. McDermott, the coach of the team that embarrassed Gase in week 1, said they spent more time practicing tackling and fundamentals because of the lack of preseason. Since you were unable to read the quote from the athletic 's Conner Hughes I shared before, here it is again: "With no preseason, the vast majority of NFL teams held scrimmages and increased live-contact drills in training camp to prepare for Week 1. The Giants televised their scrimmage at MetLife Stadium like they would an exhibition game. The Jets, though, were not among those teams. Not once in camp did players tackle to the ground. They held just one full scrimmage (the reserves won by three touchdowns), then one other drive-the-field drill at their own MetLife practice." How you can defend that after seeing the results is crazy. How many years does Gase have to fail before you will admit he's a failure? He's currently at 6 years. So tell us at what year do the excuses stop and the results speak for themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 6 hours ago, SAR I said: LOL, sure. I've been there, actually. I've seen the practices. Adam is over with the offense, Gregg with the defense. It's awesome how Adam only gets discredit for the things that are wrong and Gregg gets all the credit for the things that are right. Not buying it, sorry. If you gave Gregg 100% of the credit for last year's solid D then you give Gregg 100% of the discredit for this year's porous joke. Can't have it both ways, chief. SAR I lol, I've played a little bit of football in my life and watched a few practices too. Gase runs the offense in group. Williams runs the defense in group. Practice splits up for drill and play scheme. They then get together and run as a team. Gase runs practice. Don't be mad. Its ok to be wrong. But its the internet, so feel free to pretend to be right and continue telling yourself you are. Also, I don't credit Williams for anything. I hope he gets taken out with the rest of the trash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvj Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 20 hours ago, T0mShane said: Smells like Greggggg sabotage to me. This guy gets it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 4 hours ago, SAR I said: Let me go back to last September, October, November, December, and January and the hundreds of posts you made saying that Gregg Williams was doing a great job with the defense and Adam Gase had nothing to do with the defense's success, he was just a glorified offensive coordinator. It might take me a few hours to gather all the posts. There were just so many. You can use this time to explain your double-standard. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 4 hours ago, TNJet said: Yep he knows he should have the gig. Don't blame him. Gase sucks donkey dycks at all football. Not only is he a bad coach he’s a toxic leader 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Not only is he a bad coach he’s a toxic leader He only will lead us to the toilet bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 18 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Shanahan didn't do that last weekend. He played his backup QB, backup TE and two backup WRs. SAR I is many things but I didn't peg him to be a quitter. Truly surprising post there, even it was said in jest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 Adam Gase is losing the locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 So the veteran presence brought in Frank Gore is actually a close personal friend of Adam Gase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 22 hours ago, SAR I said: Of course I can name reasons I like him, I just wasn't asked the question. Reasons I don't think Adam Gase should be fired: He has prior NFL head coaching experience, is young, and is from the offensive side of the ball. All things that are on-trend and valuable seeing that the Jets have hired exactly 1 head coach with an offensive background in 30 years. He quickly assessed our GM and got him fired. Our new front office seems strong, Douglas seems to have hit with Becton and won't be pushed around in negotiations. He fleeced Seattle for Adams. All good here. And it is due to Gase figuring out Maccagnan and lobbying for his friend JD. He got rid of the weed addicts and malcontents in the locker room and changed the culture of the entire team. Its a necessary and essential part of a rebuild. And no one complained. No 'anonymous insiders' whining. During the 0-4 start last year, with airplanes flying, fans screaming, and the media drooling, he kept his cool and focused on turning things around. He didn't take the bait. He acted like a professional. After the 1-7 start he got a ragtag bunch of backups and third-stringers to play above their pay grade and finish 6-2. Considering how the vultures were out for blood and how the team could have quit and cruised to a 2-14 record, this is a great accomplishment. Sam Darnold finished last year with 14 TD's 4 INT's and a rating of 93.3, top ten in the NFL. With bad receivers. With a decimated OL. Every single coordinator, coach, and assistant coach returned to the team. No mass revolt, no exodus to other teams. Just dozens of guys focused on getting back to their jobs and improving the group. To this moment, not a single New York Jet player or coach has said a negative word about Adam Gase. Jamal Adams said some stuff about Adam and Christopher Johnson to help get himself traded. This week's comments came from two defenders and was about Gregg Williams. In the end, 3/4 of a head coach's responsibility is culture, making adjustments based on personnel, and motivation. Gase gets an A+ for all 3. The last portion, results, he gets an incomplete. Too many injuries and a roster that was a Maccagnan disaster to begin with. SAR I oh yeaaaah?!????? WELL... PLAYER LIVES MATTER!!!! PLAYER LIVES MATTER!!!! PLAYER LIVES MATTER!!! HEY HO, GASE NEEDS TO GO!!!! HEY HO, GASE NEEDS TO GO!!! ADAM GASE IS A NEPOTISTIC SCUMBAG, WHYS HE HIRING PEOPLE HE'S WORKED WITH BEFORE???? THATS RIDICULOUS!! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HIRE PEOPLE ON MERIT!!!!!!!!! NOT YOUR FRIENDS!!! ALSO, ADAM GASE SEXUALLY HARASSED A FEMALE EMPLOYEE!!! HE'S DEFRAUDED MILLIONS OF JETS FANS!!! AND STOLE THEIR MONEY!!!! ADAM GASE HAS MADE MANY RACIST AND ANTI-SEMITIC COMMENTS!!! LOTS AND LOTS OF THEM!!! ADAM GASE POLLUTED THE ENVIRONMENT WITH HIS TOXICITY!!! TOXIC!! POISON!!! HE'S DISGUSTING!!! HE EVEN KICKED A PUPPY!! "Where's the evidence?!!!" DON'T YOU DARE SAY THAT. BELIEVE THE VICTIM!!! WHY would the players lie?? WHY WOULD ALL THIS BE UNTRUE?? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ITS NOT TRUE?? IT PROBABLY IS!!! HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THAT????? YOU'RE A HORRIBLE PERSON!!!! You know what, ADAM GASE PROBABLY PAID YOU. YOU'RE A GASE SHILL, A PAID AGENT. I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAY. *just to be clear, this is what conversations look like in 2020. I don't actually agree with any of this. BTW, firing Gase is the right thing to do, but who's his replacement gonna be? Nobody even mentions that. Let's line up a replacement before we start the activism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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