Nico out

[jgb]

 

2 hours ago, ZachEY said:

Gutless = Being right

Bravery = Being wrong and aggressive about it

 

2 hours ago, dbatesman said:

This may be the greatest JN comeback ever. “Well sure, your argument is great if you’re looking to be right, but some of us have the balls to be absolute pants-sh*tting cretins about everything. Jealous???”

Sometimes being right just has to be its own reward.

[ZachEY]

2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I have that tattooed on the inside of my forearm.

Hawt

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It never really was.  It was about Nico being a tool and continuing to double down on his tool-ness.  And he transferred his raving, frothing-at-the-mouth defense of Darnold to Zach Wilson, under new usernames.

Oh joy.  

 

With defenders like nico, Darnold and Wilson don't need detractors.

[ZachEY]

2 hours ago, dbatesman said:

This may be the greatest JN comeback ever. “Well sure, your argument is great if you’re looking to be right, but some of us have the balls to be absolute pants-sh*tting cretins about everything. Jealous???”

I may be wrong about literally everything, over and over again, but at least I’m not a sheeple to BIG CORRECT!

Sad!

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

I may be wrong about literally everything, over and over again, but at least I’m not a sheeple to BIG CORRECT!

Sad!

Such bravery.  Such heroism.  You keep fighting the good fight that no one else is fighting (because its empirically verified to be wrong), Nico!

[ZachEY]

Anyone think Nico will ever stop being Frédéric Weis?

[jgb]

7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Such bravery.  Such heroism.  You keep fighting the good fight that no one else is fighting (because its empirically verified to be wrong), Nico!

Everyone is wrong sometimes but nico took this to a level of nastiness not often seen on here. Then when proven to be wrong, rather than face the music and hand out a couple mea culpas, he just burned his old nickname and started over -- and he calls others "gutless!" But he just couldn't resist being drawn yet again into the flame that is Darnold. It's a compulsion at this point.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, ZachEY said:

Anyone think Nico will ever stop being Frédéric Weis?

le dunk de la mort is always worth another viewing.

 

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, jgb said:

Everyone is wrong sometimes but nico took this to a level of nastiness not often seen on here. Then when proven to be wrong, rather than face the music and hand out a couple mea culpas, he just burned his old nickname and started over -- and he calls others "gutless!" But he just couldn't resist being drawn yet again into the flame that is Darnold. It's a compulsion at this point.

And then has the audacity to tell us all to "get over him" in a farewell thread he created.  Yes, because message boards are a great place for loud, wrong jerks to tell people "stop talking about me!"

Just for that we need to all agree to never let this thread die.  And to tell our children and grandchildren to keep it alive as well.  Centuries from now, this thread will keep the memory of Nico's wrongness about Sam Darnold alive.

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

le dunk de la mort is always worth another viewing.

 

At least Weis acknowledged he got worked and even made some jokes out of it.

If it happened to nico he'd go into the locker room and change his jersey and pretend to be a different player in the second half.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

At least Weis acknowledged he got worked and even made some jokes out of it.

If it happened to nico he'd go into the locker room and change his jersey and pretend to be a different player in the second half.

And then he'd tell people "stop looking at me and trying to dunk on me even though I'm a giant 7 foot 2 target who never shuts up."

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And then has the audacity to tell us all to "get over him" in a farewell thread he created.  Yes, because message boards are a great place for loud, wrong jerks to tell people "stop talking about me!"

Just for that we need to all agree to never let this thread die.

Let's swear a blood oath now that as long as one of us draws breath this thread never goes more than a few months without a bump.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, jgb said:

Let's sweat a blood oath now that as long as one of us draws breath this thread never goes more than a few months without a dump.

 

Well that would be extremely unhealthy (and I imagine fatal) so yes but let's also agree to bump this thread too.

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Well that would be extremely unhealthy (and I imagine fatal) so yes but let's also agree to bump this thread too.

Sorry I just get so jazzed about this topic my hands shake with excitement and makes it difficult to type

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, jgb said:

Sorry I just get so jazzed about this topic my hands shake with excitement excrement and makes it difficult to type

Fixed it for you 

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And then he'd tell people "stop looking at me and trying to dunk on me even though I'm a giant 7 foot 2 target who never shuts up."

Like whipping out your wiener in a daycare parking lot and blaming people for looking...

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

Like whipping out your wiener in a daycare parking lot and blaming people for looking...

So you're suggesting Nico might be Kellen Winslow II?

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

So you're suggesting Nico might be Kellen Winslow II?

If Winslow was a quarterback I'm sure nico would be defending him, too.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, jgb said:

If Winslow was a quarterback I'm sure nico would be defending him, too.

"They've been making a lot of progress with synthetic weed.  I bet that had something to do with his decision making.  Maybe Adam Gase was his seller?"

[ZachEY]

29 minutes ago, jgb said:

At least Weis acknowledged he got worked and even made some jokes out of it.

If it happened to nico he'd go into the locker room and change his jersey and pretend to be a different player in the second half.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, ZachEY said:

 

[BornJetsFan1983]

17 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Was Gase to blame for Darnold leading FBS in turnovers his final year at USC?  Or for Darnold ranking as QB32 his rookie year under Bowles?  

Darnold defenders are insane.  You guys just can’t admit the guy sucks, ever.  

So just to be clear. Gase didn't ruin Sam because he has some bad stats in college. That seems much more reasonable than his raw talent was wasted in the NFL because he got sub par coaching in the NFL after his rookie season and never progressed passed year 1. Also ignore the progress he made in year one, winning player of the week honors for qb performance under bowles. The regression I guess he had from season 1 till now all is because he um had some turnover in college. 

Yes darnold people are insane how can they not take your ridiculous argument seriously. I mean they have to be darnold people right? I mean they can't actually think that lack of good coaching makes an impact. That's just crazy darnold talk. Peyton Manning or whatever.

Bro we all saw darnold play his rookie season and turn it around with very minimal talent around him. Then we all saw him under gase and saw him get wasted. Dude has been ruined, his talent wasted. Your make believe fantasy about a whole bunch of peopel should just say he has always been a bum is not really an argument.  

You sleeping at night isnt because the sun goes down any more than darbold plays bad because he has bad games. He has bad games because he was not coached up. plain and simple

Boom

(when you say boom at the end I feel like it makes me laugh inside, so I do it...boom)

 

[Jetsfan80]

14 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

So just to be clear. Gase didn't ruin Sam because he has some bad stats in college.

Yes, that is correct.  He was a bad prospect in college outside of 1 great Rose Bowl game.  And he's now failed miserably under 3 different NFL coaching staffs.  Meaning he's a bad QB.  I'm not sure what was unclear about this argument.  

 

14 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Also ignore the progress he made in year one, winning player of the week honors for qb performance under bowles. The regression I guess he had from season 1 till now all is because he um had some turnover in college. 

"Flashes".  Every year he plays like 2-3 good games, gets hurt for-4 others, and the other 9-10 are horrific.  He's doing that in Carolina too.  That's what he is.  3 good games don't make a secret franchise QB.

 

14 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

I mean they can't actually think that lack of good coaching makes an impact. That's just crazy darnold talk. Peyton Manning or whatever.

Coaching matters and I won't argue it doesn't.  But this idea that one bad coach can ruin an otherwise exquisite pristine QB prospect beyond repair is the crazy talk.  If Adam Gase was all it took to send Sam Darnold over the edge, then he isn't mentally tough enough to play the position.

 

14 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Bro we all saw darnold play his rookie season and turn it around with very minimal talent around him. Then we all saw him under gase and saw him get wasted. Dude has been ruined, his talent wasted. Your make believe fantasy about a whole bunch of peopel should just say he has always been a bum is not really an argument.  

You sleeping at night isnt because the sun goes down any more than darbold plays bad because he has bad games. He has bad games because he was not coached up. plain and simple

Boom

(when you say boom at the end I feel like it makes me laugh inside, so I do it...boom)

 

So what's going on in Carolina then?  Those same coaches had Bridgewater playing well and Robby Anderson among the league leaders in yardage last year.  Is he not getting coached up there?  Or is this Gase PTSD so traumatic in your mind that he just can't get past it?

Nothing is ever Darnold's fault to folks like you and Nico.  He's a secretly good QB who just never got unlocked.  Yeah, I'm the crazy one here.  

[BornJetsFan1983]

22 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yes, that is correct.  He was a bad prospect in college outside of 1 great Rose Bowl game.  And he's now failed miserably under 3 different NFL coaching staffs.  Meaning he's a bad QB.  I'm not sure what was unclear about this argument.  

 

"Flashes".  Every year he plays like 2-3 good games, gets hurt for-4 others, and the other 9-10 are horrific.  He's doing that in Carolina too.  That's what he is.  3 good games don't make a secret franchise QB.

This is not an accurate, not even close.

Darnold as a rookie under bowles of all HC -  learned a system and by mid season put it together and despite the obvious roster disadvantages played well. That offense wasn't modern or even close to what we are currently implementing but was light years ahead of Gase awful system that never worked and literally made sam terrible. He made progress due to coaching in year 1. He was not a bad prospect in college and highly touted by pretty much everyone. To pretend he was not good and that somehow everyone was wrong is sure ok whatever you can pretend you saw that, fine. But just because you have some hard on for Sam hate doesnt suddenly make him a bad prospect. He was a great prospect.  Your description doesn't take into account his progress or how he got consistently better when he learned the system and learn to play at NFL speed. AND again the big point was Gase then took taht very promising prospect and turned him into crap. 

He is not even doing what you said in Carolina. THey drew up game plans to allow him to play off McCaffrey. he did that. then injury made it the Darnold show and the gase effect rose to the top. How you somehow credit darbold for those wins is amazing. You realize he was throwing to Moore and Christina McCaffrey right? I mean you seen that right? I could get a win as a qb with them.

22 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Coaching matters and I won't argue it doesn't.  But this idea that one bad coach can ruin an otherwise exquisite pristine QB prospect beyond repair is the crazy talk.  If Adam Gase was all it took to send Sam Darnold over the edge, then he isn't mentally tough enough to play the position.

Ok great , yeah it would be silly to argue that coaching doesn't matter. Because that is um...silly. Oh one bad coach can't ruin a good prospect that's interesting. Because Tannehill in Tennessee or the 20 other guys that have gone on from Gase would disagree. Bro its the NFL, playing qb is hard. 

22 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

So what's going on in Carolina then?  Those same coaches had Bridgewater playing well and Robby Anderson among the league leaders in yardage last year.  Is he not getting coached up there?  Or is this Gase PTSD so traumatic in your mind that he just can't get past it?

Nothing is ever Darnold's fault to folks like you and Nico.  He's a secretly good QB who just never got unlocked.  Yeah, I'm the crazy one here.  

What does even mean so how Bridgewater played is somehow how darnold is supposed to play? huh? Bridge is a better qb. Coached up by actual good coaches. Robbie was the target king while McCaffery was hurt. That doesn't somehow change that Darnold was ruin in NY by gase. I think Gase stopped Darnold from learning how to be a good qb and make good decisions. He continues to make these same poor decisions. Cant get oil from a turnip.

Is it a guns fault if it shoots or a cars fault if it drives? Darnold is a bad qb because of Gase never helping him level up his game. It is unfortunately too late for him now.

 

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

This is not an accurate, not even close.

Darnold as a rookie under bowles of all HC -  learned a system and by mid season put it together and despite the obvious roster disadvantages played well. That offense wasn't modern or even close to what we are currently implementing but was light years ahead of Gase awful system that never worked and literally made sam terrible. He made progress due to coaching in year 1. He was not a bad prospect in college and highly touted by pretty much everyone. To pretend he was not good and that somehow everyone was wrong is sure ok whatever you can pretend you saw that, fine. But just because you have some hard on for Sam hate doesnt suddenly make him a bad prospect. He was a great prospect.  Your description doesn't take into account his progress or how he got consistently better when he learned the system and learn to play at NFL speed. AND again the big point was Gase then took taht very promising prospect and turned him into crap. 

He is not even doing what you said in Carolina. THey drew up game plans to allow him to play off McCaffrey. he did that. then injury made it the Darnold show and the gase effect rose to the top. How you somehow credit darbold for those wins is amazing. You realize he was throwing to Moore and Christina McCaffrey right? I mean you seen that right? I could get a win as a qb with them.

Ok great , yeah it would be silly to argue that coaching doesn't matter. Because that is um...silly. Oh one bad coach can't ruin a good prospect that's interesting. Because Tannehill in Tennessee or the 20 other guys that have gone on from Gase would disagree. Bro its the NFL, playing qb is hard. 

What does even mean so how Bridgewater played is somehow how darnold is supposed to play? huh? Bridge is a better qb. Coached up by actual good coaches. Robbie was the target king while McCaffery was hurt. That doesn't somehow change that Darnold was ruin in NY by gase. I think Gase stopped Darnold from learning how to be a good qb and make good decisions. He continues to make these same poor decisions. Cant get oil from a turnip.

Is it a guns fault if it shoots or a cars fault if it drives? Darnold is a bad qb because of Gase never helping him level up his game. It is unfortunately too late for him now.

 

Lmao

[BornJetsFan1983]

3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Lmao

Ok then concession accepted #win

Go Mike White!

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Ok then concession accepted #win

Go Mike White!

No I just didn’t have the time to eviscerate your argument, so I decided to just laugh at you in that moment instead.

I’ll be back tomorrow to finish the job.

And indeed, go Mike White go.

[Maxman]

Wait, are we arguing about Darnold in a ten page Nico out thread?  LOL.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, Maxman said:

Wait, are we arguing about Darnold in a ten page Nico out thread?  LOL.

As God intended. 

[Maxman]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

As God intended. 

hahaha, true.

He has made his intentions really clear on Darnold this year.  

[BornJetsFan1983]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No I just didn’t have the time to eviscerate your argument, so I decided to just laugh at you in that moment instead.

I’ll be back tomorrow to finish the job.

And indeed, go Mike White go.

Uh huh yeah..ok..lol

We can always argue about darnold..

[jgb]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No I just didn’t have the time to eviscerate your argument, so I decided to just laugh at you in that moment instead.

I’ll be back tomorrow to finish the job.

And indeed, go Mike White go.

[jgb]

14 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

This is not an accurate, not even close.

Darnold as a rookie under bowles of all HC -  learned a system and by mid season put it together and despite the obvious roster disadvantages played well. That offense wasn't modern or even close to what we are currently implementing but was light years ahead of Gase awful system that never worked and literally made sam terrible. He made progress due to coaching in year 1. He was not a bad prospect in college and highly touted by pretty much everyone. To pretend he was not good and that somehow everyone was wrong is sure ok whatever you can pretend you saw that, fine. But just because you have some hard on for Sam hate doesnt suddenly make him a bad prospect. He was a great prospect.  Your description doesn't take into account his progress or how he got consistently better when he learned the system and learn to play at NFL speed. AND again the big point was Gase then took taht very promising prospect and turned him into crap. 

He is not even doing what you said in Carolina. THey drew up game plans to allow him to play off McCaffrey. he did that. then injury made it the Darnold show and the gase effect rose to the top. How you somehow credit darbold for those wins is amazing. You realize he was throwing to Moore and Christina McCaffrey right? I mean you seen that right? I could get a win as a qb with them.

Ok great , yeah it would be silly to argue that coaching doesn't matter. Because that is um...silly. Oh one bad coach can't ruin a good prospect that's interesting. Because Tannehill in Tennessee or the 20 other guys that have gone on from Gase would disagree. Bro its the NFL, playing qb is hard. 

What does even mean so how Bridgewater played is somehow how darnold is supposed to play? huh? Bridge is a better qb. Coached up by actual good coaches. Robbie was the target king while McCaffery was hurt. That doesn't somehow change that Darnold was ruin in NY by gase. I think Gase stopped Darnold from learning how to be a good qb and make good decisions. He continues to make these same poor decisions. Cant get oil from a turnip.

Is it a guns fault if it shoots or a cars fault if it drives? Darnold is a bad qb because of Gase never helping him level up his game. It is unfortunately too late for him now.

 

Darnold has been the (or close to the) worst starting QB for what like 4 years in a row? Don’t you think if there was a secret-FQB-in-hiding in there he would produce materially better than the truly terrible QBs also in bad situations?

And don’t you see it as problematic that the only remaining argument left for Darnold is supported by zero empirical evidence and can never be tested or validated in any way? And this argument is itself being foisted by those who were already wrong about Sam playing well away from Gase? Literally anything that Darnold does in the future can be twisted to fit it.

Continues to suck: “See, Gase did ruin him forever.”

Stops sucking: “See, he just needed to escape Gase after all.”

Sam quits football to become a hermit: “See, Gase completely broke him mentally.”

It’s objectively a dog sh*t hypothesis because it holds no predictive value. Consider that @Jetsfan80’s hypothesis has successfully enabled him to predict basically beat-for-beat what would happen in CAR, while Sam fans are always playing catch-up with the facts. They started with “Sam will finally thrive away from Gase” then pivoted to “Sam was broken forever by Gase” when that didn’t happen. Sam fans are always scrambling to explain away things that happened that contradict their argument while we are here predicting what will happen up front. 

I wonder how that’s possible? Is it magic or ESP? No, it’s the validation of the hypothesis that Darnold sucks unfolding before our eyes in real time.

Darnoids aren’t even defending Darnold anymore. They are defending their own pride because it’s difficult to accept that the emotional capital they expended on Darnold was an utter waste.

[ZachEY]

5 hours ago, jgb said:

Darnold has been the (or close to the) worst starting QB for what like 4 years in a row? Don’t you think if there was a secret-FQB-in-hiding in there he would produce materially better than the truly terrible QBs also in bad situations?

And don’t you see it as problematic that the only remaining argument left for Darnold is supported by zero empirical evidence and can never be tested or validated in any way? And this argument in itself is being foisted by those who were already wrong about Sam playing well away from Gase? Literally anything that Darnold does in the future can be twisted to fit it.

Continues to suck: “See, Gase did ruin him forever.”

Stops sucking: “See, he just needed to escape Gase after all.”

Sam quits football to become a hermit: “See, Gase completely broke him mentally.”

It’s objectively a dog sh*t hypothesis because it holds no predictive value. Consider that @Jetsfan80’s hypothesis has successfully enabled him to predict basically beat-for-beat what would happen in CAR, while Sam fans are always playing catch-up with the facts. They started with “Sam will finally thrive away from Gase” then pivoted to “Sam was broken forever by Gase” when that didn’t happen. Sam fans are always scrambling to explain away things that happened that contradict their argument while we are here predicting what will happen up front. 

I wonder how that’s possible? Is it magic or ESP? No, it’s the validation of the hypothesis that Darnold sucks unfolding before our eyes in real time.

Darnoids aren’t even defending Darnold anymore. They are defending their own pride because it’s difficult to accept that the emotional capital they expended on Darnold was an utter waste.

People invest so heavily in QBs.  It not only clouds any shred of objectivity, but ironically, for years we’ve been accused of rooting against the Jets, but the moment we all as fans, have an actual glimmer of hope at the QB position based on something other than draft status, they’re the ones who can’t enjoy it.

Darnold sucked, Geno sucked, Sanchez sucked, Pennington sucked, and Wilson currently (but not definitively or indefinitely) sucks.  White Mile White doesn’t suck and it’s all like… “Now you all just wait a minute here!”

[jgb]

1 hour ago, ZachEY said:

People invest so heavily in QBs.  It not only clouds any shred of objectivity, but ironically, for years we’ve been accused of rooting against the Jets, but the moment we all as fans, have an actual glimmer of hope at the QB position based on something other than draft status, they’re the ones who can’t enjoy it.

Darnold sucked, Geno sucked, Sanchez sucked, Pennington sucked, and Wilson currently (but not definitively or indefinitely) sucks.  White Mile White doesn’t suck and it’s all like… “Now you all just wait a minute here!”

When a highly-drafted QB stinks it's always "too soon" to evaluate...

When a guy comes out of nowhere like Mike White, it's all, "But his Adjusted Air Yards Per Attempt were below league average in his one start!"