Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Hell no but I'm also not going to advocate for players missing time because they got a little booboo and JF80 is ascared. Playing fast and loose with injuries is a poor plan, is all I'm saying here. I'm not suggesting Becton can't play thru pain. I just don't want him playing injured. All we know is he avoided a serious injury. If he's back practicing in full prior to the game, this of course becomes a non-issue. The last I saw he was "day-to-day" and they're "optimistic he can play", which doesn't really tell me anything either way. And hell yes I'm "ascared", because this training staff sucks and, again, Becton is our most valuable asset. Him getting f**ked just so Gase can keep his job another week isn't something the organization should sign on for. If there's any cause for concern, it's better err on the side of caution leading into a short rest game. Your "players need to be tougher" shtick that Matt39 loves to throw around doesn't do much for me. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said: Is this a reference to the zoom meeting on draft night the night I got banned for months? Lol ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMo Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 22 hours ago, Matt39 said: I mean if you can play you play. Compete. Not really controversial. Half the roster being hurt deserves to be questioned at all angles. Agree on the last part which is why I am skeptical of their competence regarding the first part. I think you can see where I'm coming from with this line of thinking. Right? Like I said think that last statement is totally on point. Sidenote is will be a FA physician anesthesiologist next July when my contract is up. Just sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 7:33 PM, Beerfish said: Jets 2020 draft: 1st round pick injured after 2 1/2 games 2nd round pick has not played a snap 3rd round pick injured after two games 3rd round pick has not played a snap 4th round pick is the 3rd string RB 4th round pick is the 4th string QB 4th round pick has not played a snap 5th round pick has not played a snap 6th round pick has really been no better than Lach Edwards. Still have hope for Douglas but his 1st draft, like it or not has almost not helped this team at all. Very good post. Now who knows if his draft will pan out? It's way too early to pass judgment. But thus far? JD's first draft is no better than Mac's 2017 draft. We need rookies to contribute to winning and we haven't gotten it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 4:33 PM, Beerfish said: Jets 2020 draft: 1st round pick injured after 2 1/2 games 2nd round pick has not played a snap 3rd round pick injured after two games 3rd round pick has not played a snap 4th round pick is the 3rd string RB 4th round pick is the 4th string QB 4th round pick has not played a snap 5th round pick has not played a snap 6th round pick has really been no better than Lach Edwards. Still have hope for Douglas but his 1st draft, like it or not has almost not helped this team at all. And how do you sign Perriman, Tampa's WR3, with his injury history to be a #1 WR? It's almost as if people couldn't see this coming.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 18 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Playing fast and loose with injuries is a poor plan, is all I'm saying here. I'm not suggesting Becton can't play thru pain. I just don't want him playing injured. All we know is he avoided a serious injury. If he's back practicing in full prior to the game, this of course becomes a non-issue. The last I saw he was "day-to-day" and they're "optimistic he can play", which doesn't really tell me anything either way. And hell yes I'm "ascared", because this training staff sucks and, again, Becton is our most valuable asset. Him getting f**ked just so Gase can keep his job another week isn't something the organization should sign on for. If there's any cause for concern, it's better err on the side of caution leading into a short rest game. Your "players need to be tougher" shtick that Matt39 loves to throw around doesn't do much for me. Im not sure why you need to defend this position, there is no reason to rush him back whatsoever, especially on a short week. He is our most valuable player and if its a bruise or something then fine, he can play through pain. But if he has a strain that could be worse AND we have Fant healthy, why not play Fant and Edoga and let Becton have 2 weeks to get healthy? If he has a season ending injury that affects his ability to get better this offseason, thats a disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 7:37 PM, Dunnie said: please stop... You do realize that becton was the rookie of the week last week right? Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app To be fair Dee Milliner won both AFC Defensive Player of the Week and NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 hours ago, BCJet said: Im not sure why you need to defend this position, there is no reason to rush him back whatsoever, especially on a short week. He is our most valuable player and if its a bruise or something then fine, he can play through pain. But if he has a strain that could be worse AND we have Fant healthy, why not play Fant and Edoga and let Becton have 2 weeks to get healthy? If he has a season ending injury that affects his ability to get better this offseason, thats a disaster. Because tough guys like Matt39 and Barry McCockinner think NFL players are all soft, and should be able to play through every minor injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Because tough guys like Matt39 and Barry McCockinner think NFL players are all soft, and should be able to play through every minor injury. To me, the issue is the Thursday night game. None of these guys should even be playing on Thursday to begin with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Because tough guys like Matt39 and Barry McCockinner think NFL players are all soft, and should be able to play through every minor injury. Did you find out what the "injury" was yet? Ignorantly calling for him to be sidelined is cool. Just call anyone who wants the facts a "tough guy". derp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, slimjasi said: To me, the issue is the Thursday night game. None of these guys should even be playing on Thursday to begin with. If the NFL insists on Thursday games (which I admit have been pretty good this year), they need to have a bye week built in for teams the week before. No team should ever play on 4 days rest. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said: Did you find out what the "injury" was yet? Ignorantly calling for him to be sidelined is cool. Just call anyone who wants the facts a "tough guy". derp Yes, because NOT knowing the extent of the injury means GO FOR IT, every time! This is all we know so far: https://www.ganggreennation.com/2020/9/28/21492554/jets-injury-report-mekhi-becton-would-have-been-limited-if-there-was-a-practice-monday Jets Injury Report: Mekhi Becton Would Have Been Limited if There Was a Practice Monday By John B Sep 28, 2020, 6:05pm EDT 15 Comments Mekhi Becton, who left the loss to Indianapolis late in the first half with a shoulder injury, also would have been limited today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Did you find out what the "injury" was yet? Ignorantly calling for him to be sidelined is cool. Just call anyone who wants the facts a "tough guy". derp Wait, are you suggesting Becton isn't really injured? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, because NOT knowing the extent of the injury means GO FOR IT, every time! This is all we know so far: https://www.ganggreennation.com/2020/9/28/21492554/jets-injury-report-mekhi-becton-would-have-been-limited-if-there-was-a-practice-monday Jets Injury Report: Mekhi Becton Would Have Been Limited if There Was a Practice Monday By John B Sep 28, 2020, 6:05pm EDT 15 Comments Mekhi Becton, who left the loss to Indianapolis late in the first half with a shoulder injury, also would have been limited today. We don't know what happened to his shoulder. You're insisting he should be benched without knowing anything other than he would have been limited at practice. So basically without knowing sh*t about ****, you think you know best. All I'm saying is, we don't have enough information to make that decision. I like to know the facts before acting like I know it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: Wait, are you suggesting Becton isn't really injured? There's a difference between being injured and being hurt. If he was hurt and just has a bruise or some sh*t, it's not a big deal. If he was injured and had some sort of tear or something, that's obviously a different story. JF80 acts like he knows. He doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: We don't know what happened to his shoulder. You're insisting he should be benched without knowing anything other than he would have been limited at practice. So basically without knowing sh*t about ****, you think you know best. All I'm saying is, we don't have enough information to make that decision. I like to know the facts before acting like I know it all. He left last week's game with the injury and needed an MRI. "Limited practice" usually leads to a Questionable tag until the player logs a full practice. So it's a 50/50 type of injury when it comes to a player's availability the next game. I'd say I gave it an appropriate level of concern given what we DO know about the injury. I'm arguing we err on the side of caution, especially since its a Thursday game. You essentially waved it away by calling it a "booboo". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: There's a difference between being injured and being hurt. If he was hurt and just has a bruise or some sh*t, it's not a big deal. If he was injured and had some sort of tear or something, that's obviously a different story. JF80 acts like he knows. He doesn't. Ok All I'm saying is that it is wise to exercise caution with your best player (yes, he's already our best player) on a short week. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: He left last week's game with the injury and needed an MRI. "Limited practice" usually leads to a Questionable tag until the player logs a full practice. So it's a 50/50 type of injury when it comes to a player's availability the next game. I'm arguing we err on the side of caution. You essentially waved it away by calling it a "booboo". I'm saying we don't know what it is. You think you do. eat dicks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: I'm saying we don't know what it is. You think you do. eat dicks. Great talk! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Great talk! You're misconstruing what I've said, calling me a "tough guy" like I want to march him out there so long as he can walk. Why do you feel the need to do that? What do you gain from it? Does it make you feel better? You don't know what happened to his shoulder and it could be a bruise or something. The fact that he had an MRI doesn't mean he's injured. Again, there's a difference between being hurt and injured. The fact that he wasn't ruled out after the MRI suggests just being hurt is a possibility here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: You don't know what happened to his shoulder and it could be a bruise or something. The fact that he had an MRI doesn't mean he's injured. Again, there's a difference between being hurt and injured. The fact that he wasn't ruled out after the MRI suggests just being hurt is a possibility here. Right, but even if he's "just hurt," it still makes sense to be cautious with him. Gase said on Monday that the MRI went "better than we thought" - while there is currently no significant structural damage, there is probably "something" there, IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, slimjasi said: Right, but even if he's "just hurt," it still makes sense to be cautious with him. Gase said on Monday that the MRI went "better than we thought" - while there is currently no significant structural damage, there is probably "something" there, IMO. if there's any structural damage he should be kept out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Wait, are you suggesting Becton isn't really injured? It wouldn’t shock me if his agent told him to sit out the rest of the season Why put mileage on your body playing for Gase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: It wouldn’t shock me if his agent told him to sit out the rest of the season Why put mileage on your body playing for Gase? Because he's a competitor, presumably with some pride for his profession? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, because NOT knowing the extent of the injury means GO FOR IT, every time! This is all we know so far: https://www.ganggreennation.com/2020/9/28/21492554/jets-injury-report-mekhi-becton-would-have-been-limited-if-there-was-a-practice-monday Jets Injury Report: Mekhi Becton Would Have Been Limited if There Was a Practice Monday By John B Sep 28, 2020, 6:05pm EDT 15 Comments Mekhi Becton, who left the loss to Indianapolis late in the first half with a shoulder injury, also would have been limited today. Why would the Jets have put him onto the field for limited participation if he was in danger of getting hurt again? I don't think they would. There's no need to wrap everyone we have in bubble wrap unless they need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: if there's any structural damage he should be kept out. Who said he has structural damage? I'm a little late to all this Becton stuff today but are there reports about what precisely his shoulder injury is....or is all this just speculation?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 23 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Playing fast and loose with injuries is a poor plan, is all I'm saying here. I'm not suggesting Becton can't play thru pain. I just don't want him playing injured. All we know is he avoided a serious injury. If he's back practicing in full prior to the game, this of course becomes a non-issue. The last I saw he was "day-to-day" and they're "optimistic he can play", which doesn't really tell me anything either way. And hell yes I'm "ascared", because this training staff sucks and, again, Becton is our most valuable asset. Him getting f**ked just so Gase can keep his job another week isn't something the organization should sign on for. If there's any cause for concern, it's better err on the side of caution leading into a short rest game. Your "players need to be tougher" shtick that Matt39 loves to throw around doesn't do much for me. And becton playing tomorrow would yet again be the latest in a never ending string of incompetent decisions that the owners would do by not stepping in. There is literally no upside for him to play injured on a short week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Who said he has structural damage? I'm a little late to all this Becton stuff today but are there reports about what precisely his shoulder injury is....or is all this just speculation?? no one said he does. it's all speculation. I think the fact that the MRI results turned into him being a maybe for Thursday suggests there is none. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Because he's a competitor, presumably with some pride for his profession? NFL players are business people who's product is themselves. If the guy's not healthy enough to practice...he's probably not healthy enough to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Why would the Jets have put him onto the field for limited participation if he was in danger of getting hurt again? "Limited participation" is a common designation that can mean a wide range of things in terms of what activities a player participates in. All it means for sure is he wouldn't have been a no-show at practice today, and he also wouldn't have participated in all the usual activities in a normal week. A player who logs "limited" practices in a given week is pretty much always given the "Questionable" tag leading up to gameday. Again, I don't trust this training staff at all and neither should you. If he fails to log a full practice today or tomorrow, the best option is to err on the side of caution and hold him out of a meaningless game on short rest. There is almost zero to be gained by playing hurt and a LOT to lose when it comes to our most important asset on the roster. This really isn't that complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Who said he has structural damage? I'm a little late to all this Becton stuff today but are there reports about what precisely his shoulder injury is....or is all this just speculation?? All speculation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Douglas has to step in and absolutely demand that Becton sits out this game. A game we'd be better off losing. Gase will be pushing him to play because he's the only one who'll f*cking benefit from a win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: "Limited participation" is a common designation that can mean a wide range of things in terms of what activities a player participates in. All it means for sure is he wouldn't have been a no-show at practice today, and he also wouldn't have participated in all the usual activities in a normal week. A player who logs "limited" practices in a given week is pretty much always given the "Questionable" tag leading up to gameday. Again, I don't trust this training staff at all and neither should you. If he fails to log a full practice today or tomorrow, the best option is to err on the side of caution and hold him out of a meaningless game on short rest. Then why play at all? Sounds like you're moving towards the SAR I approach of forfeiting games. If Joe Douglas trusts the training staff but he shouldn't then we have a big problem! Quote There is almost zero to be gained by playing hurt and a LOT to lose when it comes to our most important asset on the roster. This really isn't that complicated. I agree, it's not complicated. If he's hurt but not injured he should play. Are you suggesting that anybody with a boo-boo shouldn't play and it would be too much of a risk? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Douglas has to step in and absolutely demand that Becton sits out this game. A game we'd be better off losing. Gase will be pushing him to play because he's the only one who'll f*cking benefit from a win. The Jets are perfectly capable of losing with becton playing. We have no clue what is going on with his shoulder. If there's no damage there's no reason he shouldn't play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: Then why play at all? Sounds like you're moving towards the SAR I approach of forfeiting games. Jeeezus. Fine, that's exactly what I'm saying. Let's send no one out there. No matter how many times I explain my position this is you and Barry's interpretation. We're done here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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