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Is Joe Douglas trying to tank, or is he incompetent?

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To this point, Joe Douglas has failed Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold might be bad, but Douglas has only made it harder for him to succeed.

Right now, Joe Douglas only has one excuse. The current state of the roster is only acceptable if he is trying to tank. This would explain most of his roster moves and the contract structures he gave players. It looks like he is preparing for life after Gase and Darnold. 

Mekhi Becton is the only foundational that has proven himself on the roster. Even Douglas' bigger signings have proven underwhelming. If Douglas is planning on drafting a QB, the process he is using has failed more than it has worked. The current Jets roster is not in a position to properly support a young QB. There is no foundation on the team for a new QB.

Who are the starting WRs on the team next year? Crowder and a bunch of nobodies. The entire O-line besides for Becton might need to be replaced again.

If Trevor Lawrence was drafted by the Jets, he would actually be downgrading his offensive weapons. 

 

Just look at recent drafts. For young QBs, the team is more important than the draft position. 

2012 - Luck, Griffin and Tannehill were all drafted in the top 10 of the first round. The best player in that draft was Russell Wilson who was drafted in the 3rd round.

2013 - The entire draft class sucked

2014 - Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater were drafted in the first round. Derek Carr and Jimmy Garapolo were both drafted in the 2nd round and are clearly the best Qbs in that draft.

2015 - Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota were both drafted with the first two picks of the draft. Both are now backups.

2016 - Jared Goff, Carson Wentz were drafted early in the 1st round and Paxton Lynch was drafted late in the 1st. Dak Prescott is the best player of that class and he was drafted in the 4th round.

2017 - Mitch Trubisky was drafted 2nd overall in the 1st round by the Bears. Two playoff teams (Chiefs and Texans) traded up to get Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson in the first. Mahomes and Watson are both top 10 QBs.

2018 - Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen were all drafted in the top 10 of the first round. The Bills and Ravens were both winning teams that year and traded up for Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, who are clearly the best players of their draft

2019 - Too early to tell, but right now Kyler is the best and that would make him the only exception since 2011.

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25 minutes ago, hamat711 said:

To this point, Joe Douglas has failed Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold might be bad, but Douglas has only made it harder for him to succeed.

Right now, Joe Douglas only has one excuse. The current state of the roster is only acceptable if he is trying to tank. This would explain most of his roster moves and the contract structures he gave players. It looks like he is preparing for life after Gase and Darnold. 

Mekhi Becton is the only foundational that has proven himself on the roster. Even Douglas' bigger signings have proven underwhelming. If Douglas is planning on drafting a QB, the process he is using has failed more than it has worked. The current Jets roster is not in a position to properly support a young QB. There is no foundation on the team for a new QB.

Who are the starting WRs on the team next year? Crowder and a bunch of nobodies. The entire O-line besides for Becton might need to be replaced again.

If Trevor Lawrence was drafted by the Jets, he would actually be downgrading his offensive weapons. 

 

Just look at recent drafts. For young QBs, the team is more important than the draft position. 

2012 - Luck, Griffin and Tannehill were all drafted in the top 10 of the first round. The best player in that draft was Russell Wilson who was drafted in the 3rd round.

2013 - The entire draft class sucked

2014 - Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater were drafted in the first round. Derek Carr and Jimmy Garapolo were both drafted in the 2nd round and are clearly the best Qbs in that draft.

2015 - Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota were both drafted with the first two picks of the draft. Both are now backups.

2016 - Jared Goff, Carson Wentz were drafted early in the 1st round and Paxton Lynch was drafted late in the 1st. Dak Prescott is the best player of that class and he was drafted in the 4th round.

2017 - Mitch Trubisky was drafted 2nd overall in the 1st round by the Bears. Two playoff teams (Chiefs and Texans) traded up to get Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson in the first. Mahomes and Watson are both top 10 QBs.

2018 - Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen were all drafted in the top 10 of the first round. The Bills and Ravens were both winning teams that year and traded up for Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, who are clearly the best players of their draft

2019 - Too early to tell, but right now Kyler is the best and that would make him the only exception since 2011.

This “build through the draft” sounds good but it rarely actually ever happens when you look at winning rosters 

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3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

This “build through the draft” sounds good but it rarely actually ever happens when you look at winning rosters 

I’m looking at the Ravens roster. Looks pretty built through the draft to me. 

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I have a feeling Joe D is not completely sold on Sam Darnold.  He did not draft him.  If Sam struggles again against an 0 -3 Denver team we may see Flacco next week.  I think Joe D is trying to figure out what the problem is.  Gase, Darnold, Greg Williams , injuries, no Jamal Adams  or we just are a bad team across the board.  The next couple of weeks should provide him with some answers.  

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3 minutes ago, NamathToCaster said:

I have a feeling Joe D is not completely sold on Sam Darnold.  He did not draft him.  If Sam struggles again against an 0 -3 Denver team we may see Flacco next week.  I think Joe D is trying to figure out what the problem is.  Gase, Darnold, Greg Williams , injuries, no Jamal Adams  or we just are a bad team across the board.  

All the above. 

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I don't think he is trying to tank. However, I do believe he did not emphasize being competitive this season. 

Would Jets fans really feel that much better if he had built a roster that made the Jets less awful and more mediocre this season, but also limited the long-term plans? That's really what this is about. 

The Jets were going nowhere this season, whether Douglas tanked or he didn't. 

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47 minutes ago, hamat711 said:

To this point, Joe Douglas has failed Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold might be bad, but Douglas has only made it harder for him to succeed.

Right now, Joe Douglas only has one excuse. The current state of the roster is only acceptable if he is trying to tank. This would explain most of his roster moves and the contract structures he gave players. It looks like he is preparing for life after Gase and Darnold. 

Mekhi Becton is the only foundational that has proven himself on the roster. Even Douglas' bigger signings have proven underwhelming. If Douglas is planning on drafting a QB, the process he is using has failed more than it has worked. The current Jets roster is not in a position to properly support a young QB. There is no foundation on the team for a new QB.

Who are the starting WRs on the team next year? Crowder and a bunch of nobodies. The entire O-line besides for Becton might need to be replaced again.

If Trevor Lawrence was drafted by the Jets, he would actually be downgrading his offensive weapons. 

 

Just look at recent drafts. For young QBs, the team is more important than the draft position. 

2012 - Luck, Griffin and Tannehill were all drafted in the top 10 of the first round. The best player in that draft was Russell Wilson who was drafted in the 3rd round.

2013 - The entire draft class sucked

2014 - Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater were drafted in the first round. Derek Carr and Jimmy Garapolo were both drafted in the 2nd round and are clearly the best Qbs in that draft.

2015 - Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota were both drafted with the first two picks of the draft. Both are now backups.

2016 - Jared Goff, Carson Wentz were drafted early in the 1st round and Paxton Lynch was drafted late in the 1st. Dak Prescott is the best player of that class and he was drafted in the 4th round.

2017 - Mitch Trubisky was drafted 2nd overall in the 1st round by the Bears. Two playoff teams (Chiefs and Texans) traded up to get Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson in the first. Mahomes and Watson are both top 10 QBs.

2018 - Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen were all drafted in the top 10 of the first round. The Bills and Ravens were both winning teams that year and traded up for Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, who are clearly the best players of their draft

2019 - Too early to tell, but right now Kyler is the best and that would make him the only exception since 2011.

These are the musings of a serial killer

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He's not trying to tank and I don't think he's incompetent.

He's trying to develop a young core of players before he spends big in FA. It's extremely frustrating to take this approach because we have to watch awful football but I think JD is trying not to fall into the trap of throwing around a lot of money right away for short term success like other GMs have done.

We saw the Giants do it in 2016. Macc tried to do it in 2015 for the Jets. It doesn't work unless you have a group of young players you can build around. 

With that said, he's done a poor job in his first off season of giving Sam some talent to work with. We need Mims to get on the field and be the real deal.

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4 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Getting rid of our two best players in Robby Anderson and Jamal Adams in order to save money as a cheapskate was the nail in the coffin. He's an awful GM. He ruined our 2020 season before it started. 

yep I agree

his job is to improve the roster

so far he has not-he has made it worse

rebuilds do not mandate that you suck or get rid of talent

rebuilds usually you build around a core of good younger players-the jets got rid of their two best younger players because of money-take away all of the jets speak it was money that they did not want to pay

 

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Douglas inherited a pitiful roster and Rome wasn't built in a day.  So far he's been hit and miss.   Dumping Adams was a good move.  Not signing Anderson was a bad move. What he does after the 2020 season is over and his 2021 draft will give us a pretty good idea if he's the answer here or is part of the ongoing stream of incompetence.

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jets gms usually get a decent player in round one which any five year old could do-it is usually rounds 3 and beyond real gms shine and find value-edit-our second rounds always bust....

it is early but it looks like his draft is like the guys before him-his first rounder seems good but beyond that.....

his free agent contracts have been AWFUL

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2 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

Douglas inherited a pitiful roster and Rome wasn't built in a day.  So far he's been hit and miss.   Dumping Adams was a good move.  Not signing Anderson was a bad move. What he does after the 2020 season is over and his 2021 draft will give us a pretty good idea if he's the answer here or is part of the ongoing stream of incompetence.

what has he been hit on?

I can rattle off a bunch of misses

Dumping Adams is only good if he hits home runs with those two picks-if he misses on them he is toast and just like those before him

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54 minutes ago, hamat711 said:

Just look at recent drafts. For young QBs, the team is more important than the draft position

Dead ass. All the talent in the world can't overcome an incompetent organization. Brady Quinn could've been a great QB if he hadn't gone to the Browns and get ruined. 

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11 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

He's not trying to tank and I don't think he's incompetent.

He's trying to develop a young core of players before he spends big in FA. It's extremely frustrating to take this approach because we have to watch awful football but I think JD is trying not to fall into the trap of throwing around a lot of money right away for short term success like other GMs have done.

We saw the Giants do it in 2016. Macc tried to do it in 2015 for the Jets. It doesn't work unless you have a group of young players you can build around. 

With that said, he's done a poor job in his first off season of giving Sam some talent to work with. We need Mims to get on the field and be the real deal.

Agree with some, and disagree with of your take, but that is a very good way to look at it.

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11 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

Douglas inherited a pitiful roster and Rome wasn't built in a day.  So far he's been hit and miss.   

That's my problem. He inherited a pitiful roster and somehow made it worse. All his CB, WR and OL signings have been awful.

It also doesn't help that he couldn't retain the young and talented players.

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1 minute ago, kmnj said:

what has he been hit on?

I can rattle off a bunch of misses

Dumping Adams is only good if he hits home runs with those two picks-if he misses on them he is toast and just like those before him

Adams forced his way off the team and despite having very little to no leverage, Douglas got a haul back for him, which wasn't just a "hit," it was a fantastic move.  Douglas realized that paying a safety a top dollar extension was suicide for a team that is nowhere near being ready to be competitive.  The draft picks are way more valuable, and while he probably should have drafted another WR instead of a backup QB, at least Douglas has shown that he will draft positions of need, unlike many of his predecessors.

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8 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

Adams forced his way off the team and despite having very little to no leverage, Douglas got a haul back for him, which wasn't just a "hit," it was a fantastic move.  Douglas realized that paying a safety a top dollar extension was suicide for a team that is nowhere near being ready to be competitive.  The draft picks are way more valuable, and while he probably should have drafted another WR instead of a backup QB, at least Douglas has shown that he will draft positions of need, unlike many of his predecessors.

He did not get a FREAKING HAUL for Jamal. 

Jamal was drafted 6th overall, already a 1st team all pro and a future HOF animal. 

We'll draft two potential BUSTS because Seattle is going to contend  for a SB and currently 3-0 and those two 1st rounders will become no better than 27th overalls etc. 

Trade away our All Pro 1st team for "more picks". Genius. 

Not paying Robby Anderson for a former FIRST ROUND BUST in Perriman was another "GENIUS" JD move. 

He sucks. 

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17 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said:

Adams forced his way off the team and despite having very little to no leverage, Douglas got a haul back for him, which wasn't just a "hit," it was a fantastic move.  Douglas realized that paying a safety a top dollar extension was suicide for a team that is nowhere near being ready to be competitive.  The draft picks are way more valuable, and while he probably should have drafted another WR instead of a backup QB, at least Douglas has shown that he will draft positions of need, unlike many of his predecessors.

I don't think he should get credit for Adams.

According to all reports, Joe Douglas is the reason Adams wanted off the roster in the first place.

Getting rid of talent doesn't make you good either.

Also, if you look closer at the draft capital the Jets got in return and compare it to the likely draft position of the Seahawks late picks the compensation isn't that amazing.

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