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Sam Darnold Isn't The Problem. The Jets inability to develop a QB is the problem.


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Mo Lewis destroyed Bledsoe in 2001 and as a result, 6th Round Tom Brady would spend the next 19 years making us his personal bitch. We're all guilty of jumping on the QB when things are going bad, but that's an easy out. For one reason or another, the Jets have had 14 different starting QBs in the same stretch Brady, minus a few injuries, has ran with the Patsies. That's just one example. We could all look at other teams and their ability to develop and maintain a consistent QB throughout that same period of time. 

Why is it the Jets can't? The simple law of averages says that with all the top draft picks and FA signings, we should have had at a minimum, a capable, consistent QB.....but we simply haven't. Different QBs, different HCs, different OCs all leads to different systems and different styles.

No business or military unit, let alone a professional sports franchise, can consistently perform with that type of turnover and inconsistent system. Why expect anything different, especially from a franchise that simply can't do the easy things well.

The Jets are without question, a place where QBs with potential go to die. If I was a college star ready to jump on the NFL scene, I would without hesitation, not report to the Jets and sit out a year. As much as it pains me to think of the Elways and E. Mannings and their shenanigans, in hindsight I can't blame them. 

The Jets simply can't develop QBs and it's been that way for decades. Until such time they can do it, the Jets will continue to be the annual dumpster fire they are. 

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Every situation is different.
 

They had success with Chad Pennington who sat three seasons on the bench. 
 

Mark Sanchez enjoyed team success and stability early in his career. By the end of his Jets career the team fell apart around him and ultimately failed 

Geno Smith was thrusted into action well before he was ready due to a Sanchez injury in the snoopy bowl. Supporting cast/infrastructure was terrible. Marty Mornhinweig was a decent OC, but Rex never believed in him. 

Sam Darnolds situation was similar to Geno. Started before he was ready, unstable coaching, terrible supporting cast. After a promising rookie seasons his 2nd season with Gase and a patchwork oline broke him. 

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Whether or not Darnold can be the answer doesn't matter right now.  Trevor Lawrence won't matter either.

The Jets organization has fostered such a toxic, losing culture that it doesn't matter.

The ownership is so clueless and doesn't even realize it, that it doesn't matter.  They insist on hiring the head coaches and the head coaches continually aren't good enough.

They first have to fix the leadership and culture of this organization.  Then the QB will matter.

Step 1?  Fire Gase, and Woody and Chris need to take a backseat, admit they don't know football, and let Joe D. hire the next coach, and let the coach report to the GM.

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If we get the #1 pick that means that Darnold has been bad all year - even after getting back Mims and Crowder and whoever else is on injury row. If we get the #1 pick taking Trevor Lawrence is a no brainer! If our GM has the #1 pick and doesn't take Trevor I think he would actually get some death threats.

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Oh really?  How did Sanchez and Geno Smith do when they left the Jets?  How about Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty?  What did they become?  Why couldn't numerous, superior coaching staffs do anything with those QB's?

No, the biggest problem with the organization over the last 2 decades is talent IDENTIFICATION, not development.  We suck at both, but the former is the far bigger problem.

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5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh really?  How did Sanchez and Geno Smith do when they left the Jets?  How about Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty?  What did they become?  Why couldn't numerous, superior coaching staffs do anything with those QB's?

No, the biggest problem with the organization over the last 2 decades is talent IDENTIFICATION, not development.  We suck at both, but the former is the far bigger problem.

Sam is a different case.  We Andrew Luck’d Sam 

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Just now, southtown24th said:

Hierarchy of Problems:

 

1. Terrible Ownership

2. Management Structure--Coach AND GM Report to Owner

3. Ownership Inability to Pick a GOOD Coach

4. Horrible Coach's Inability to Develop a QB

That's how this works.

As horrific as Gase is I’m scared of what the Johnsons are going to try to replace him with

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Just now, southtown24th said:

Hierarchy of Problems:

 

1. Terrible Ownership

2. Management Structure--Coach AND GM Report to Owner

3. Ownership Inability to Pick a GOOD Coach

4. Horrible Coach's Inability to Develop a QB

That's how this works.

This is exactly right. The owner needs to hire someone to run the show and quality people from GM/VP of Ops down to trainers.

This piece meal crap hasn’t worked and it’s exactly why a good portion of the fan base was worried when we drafted Sam.

While supremely talented, he had a lot of raw tendencies that needed to be developed. They entrusted an area scout made GM with a sh*t record, and lame duck head coach who hired a man who was living in the woods like the uni bomber and out of the league for years as the offensive coordinator.

J&J followed up that whammy burger by hiring another proven failed head coach with no track record of ever developing a QB, who only 1 other team interviewed that offseason.

And some fans wonder why Sam sucks now, lol.

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Just now, Adoni Beast said:

This is exactly right. The owner needs to hire someone to run the show and quality people from GM/VP of Ops down to trainers.

This piece meal crap hasn’t worked and it’s exactly why a good portion of the fan base was worried when we drafted Sam.

While supremely talented, he had a lot of raw tendencies that needed to be developed. They entrusted an area scout made GM with a sh*t record, and lame duck head coach who hired a man who was living in the woods like the uni bomber and out of the league for years as the offensive coordinator.

J&J followed up that whammy burger by hiring another proven failed head coach with no track record of ever developing a QB, who only 1 other team interviewed that offseason.

And some fans wonder why Sam sucks now, lol.

I’m concerned that the Johnsons are doing the picking and not JD

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19 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh really?  How did Sanchez and Geno Smith do when they left the Jets?  How about Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty?  What did they become?  Why couldn't numerous, superior coaching staffs do anything with those QB's?

No, the biggest problem with the organization over the last 2 decades is talent IDENTIFICATION, not development.  We suck at both, but the former is the far bigger problem.

bingo

what s the excuse for this bs?

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

Hierarchy of Problems:

 

1. Terrible Ownership

2. Management Structure--Coach AND GM Report to Owner

3. Ownership Inability to Pick a GOOD Coach

4. Horrible Coach's Inability to Develop a QB

That's how this works.

Multiple successful teams do this, Chiefs and Steelers being most notable.

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13 hours ago, The Gun Of Bavaria said:

 

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Mo Lewis destroyed Bledsoe in 2001 and as a result, 6th Round Tom Brady would spend the next 19 years making us his personal bitch. We're all guilty of jumping on the QB when things are going bad, but that's an easy out. For one reason or another, the Jets have had 14 different starting QBs in the same stretch Brady, minus a few injuries, has ran with the Patsies. That's just one example. We could all look at other teams and their ability to develop and maintain a consistent QB throughout that same period of time. 

Why is it the Jets can't? The simple law of averages says that with all the top draft picks and FA signings, we should have had at a minimum, a capable, consistent QB.....but we simply haven't. Different QBs, different HCs, different OCs all leads to different systems and different styles.

No business or military unit, let alone a professional sports franchise, can consistently perform with that type of turnover and inconsistent system. Why expect anything different, especially from a franchise that simply can't do the easy things well.

The Jets are without question, a place where QBs with potential go to die. If I was a college star ready to jump on the NFL scene, I would without hesitation, not report to the Jets and sit out a year. As much as it pains me to think of the Elways and E. Mannings and their shenanigans, in hindsight I can't blame them. 

The Jets simply can't develop QBs and it's been that way for decades. Until such time they can do it, the Jets will continue to be the annual dumpster fire they are. 

That is why Jets simply should roll the dice on JD using all 17+(Including 4 number 1's and 3 number 3's and 3 number 5 picks) draft picks to build the whole team and not pick Lawrence or another QB in 2021. You are answering everyone's question that even if Lawrence is a generational talent, he likely will either be the same as what we are seeing from Sam or maybe only marginally better. If JD can draft then those 17+ picks since he may trade down and get more could amount to 20 players in 2 years building this team to where even a decent Darnold with a HC and OC that make him correct his fundamental mechanic problems and drill into his head better decision making, we can improve in that manner. If we need a QB after that we can plug one into the team that is built for a bit of a haul either through FA or some level of a draft pick that develops like Morgan or a lower round pick than round 1 of the next 2 drafts. Saviors at QB are not going to work for this team and many teams have that problem, why because in many situations 1 man at QB is not as good as many players on both sides of the ball that play to win as a team and not as the QB having to elevate crap players with below average talent and make them better. Case in point with Matt Ryan since his team stinks he can play great and usual does in almost every game and they lose virtually all of them. And their coach is actually not that bad, but their players outside of Ryan and a few others are bad. 

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