Lizard King Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Also, Mangini was the last coach we’ve had that actually had a functional partnership with the GM, had a strategy in terms of what types of players he wanted and how he wanted his roster built. His short-comings were experience as a coach, to the point he got rid of good players because they weren’t scheme fits (you always find a way to scheme to the talent you have, if you’ve got the chops as a coach) and his biggest sin was trusting Favre. And he was more rigid than a prostate exam and could never overcome that. He probably was capped by it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Just now, Lizard King said: And he was more rigid than a prostate exam and could never overcome that. He probably was capped by it. Very true. It took a while for Coughlin to overcome that as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Baugh didn't have a losing record. Maybe we can count him too? Such low standards lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Baugh didn't have a losing record. Maybe we can count him too? Such low standards lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 59 minutes ago, Copernicus said: Mangini got screwed by Jet ownership when they forced an aging diva Brett Favre on him in his second year as HC all to sell jerseys. Thanks Woody. They forced Farve??? So that's why Mangini named his son after him..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copernicus Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, Savage69 said: They forced Farve??? So that's why Mangini named his son after him..? I would say forced. Mangini's first year was not a total failure. He looked competent and his team seemed to follow his lead. So often a young HC is linked with a young QB in hopes to grow together. At the time I believe we had just drafted Kellen Clemens in the second round. Do you think a second year HC with such little experience would rather have an aging HOFer at QB with strong speculation of being a diva or a young QB that he could control in his own image with no fear of being thrown under the bus for not giving into whatever demands?. There was speculation that there were rules for the team and then rules for Favre. So yes, I think Favre was forced on Mangini because the owner put selling jerseys in front of building a championship. I seriously do not think that he named his son after Bret Farve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 hours ago, rangerous said: By your own admission you said mangini continued to run as a means to get the oline run blocker better in the future. What makes you think gase isn’t doing the same? The game isn’t all about passing. The jets oline isn’t run or pass blocking very well so they need more reps doing one or the other. The only issue I see is they currently have too many 3 and outs. To get consistency they at least need to keep the ball for more than 3 downs. im no gase lover but let’s stop trying to find issues or state issues that may not be there. Yeah, at this point it should be more about developing Alex Lewis and Frank Gore than Sam Darnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, Copernicus said: I would say forced. Mangini's first year was not a total failure. He looked competent and his team seemed to follow his lead. So often a young HC is linked with a young QB in hopes to grow together. At the time I believe we had just drafted Kellen Clemens in the second round. Do you think a second year HC with such little experience would rather have an aging HOFer at QB with strong speculation of being a diva or a young QB that he could control in his own image with no fear of being thrown under the bus for not giving into whatever demands?. There was speculation that there were rules for the team and then rules for Favre. So yes, I think Favre was forced on Mangini because the owner put selling jerseys in front of building a championship. I seriously do not think that he named his son after Bret Farve I could post many articles but you have your mind made up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 hours ago, JTJet said: It blows my mind we have only had 2 coaches with winning records in our entire history. But 3 with non-losing records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 For all of Magini's problems that was the last time the team had a clear strategy for the roster that was fairly well executed. Rex/Tannenbaum took what was built before and maxed out the credit card trying to build a SB team. The bill came due and the team was applying bandaids until Tannenbaum was dumped. Idzik continued to apply bandaids while the Tannenbaum contracts rolled off and there was no direction to rebuilding the roster except get more defense. Macc had some kind of plan but the execution was horrific and Bowles didn't seem to have any clue what to do with it. It's been more than a decade since we've had a front office put together a plan and execute on it. So that sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 hours ago, AFJF said: Yeah, at this point it should be more about developing Alex Lewis and Frank Gore than Sam Darnold. I sense the sarcasm. You forgot about bellage and Perine. Perine looks like he could be pretty good. In any event this oline still needs reps because they don’t run or pass block very well. Why run? Because maybe it keeps darnold from getting flattened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 hours ago, rex-n-effect said: For all of Magini's problems that was the last time the team had a clear strategy for the roster that was fairly well executed. Rex/Tannenbaum took what was built before and maxed out the credit card trying to build a SB team. The bill came due and the team was applying bandaids until Tannenbaum was dumped. Idzik continued to apply bandaids while the Tannenbaum contracts rolled off and there was no direction to rebuilding the roster except get more defense. Macc had some kind of plan but the execution was horrific and Bowles didn't seem to have any clue what to do with it. It's been more than a decade since we've had a front office put together a plan and execute on it. So that sucks. What was Mac's plan? Honestly, I really don't know. Unless it was to build a defense up the middle. That's the only plan he seemed to try to execute and that plan would be inexplicably bad anytime past 1985. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Mangini was awesome. He exposed N.E with spygate as cheaters and ******tainted****** all of their fake ******accomplishments****** which was good enough for me. Thank you Mangini. You stink as a coach but you tainted Brady, Belly and N.E forever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 20 hours ago, FidelioJet said: What was Mac's plan? Honestly, I really don't know. Unless it was to build a defense up the middle. That's the only plan he seemed to try to execute and that plan would be inexplicably bad anytime past 1985. He said at one point he wanted to build a team like the Steelers where they build through the draft at non-skill positions and let those players go when they want big contracts because they have the depth to put another good player at starter which allows them to pay for the skill positions. The problem is he was awful at drafting and the team didn't have skill players to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Gase is like Mangini but 1000x sh ttier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 hours ago, rex-n-effect said: He said at one point he wanted to build a team like the Steelers where they build through the draft at non-skill positions and let those players go when they want big contracts because they have the depth to put another good player at starter which allows them to pay for the skill positions. The problem is he was awful at drafting and the team didn't have skill players to pay. Mac was the worst talent evaluator ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 1:26 PM, Savage69 said: I could post many articles but you have your mind made up For all the ballwashing Mangini gets on this site the supposed roster “he built” failed to even make the playoffs with a hall of fame QB he was a lousy defensive playcaller. He brought 0 pressure and would immediately panic and go into a zone umbrella. That’s how scrubs like Matt Cassell and Jamarcus Russell has their best games ever facing Mangini 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I will always appreciate Mangini for drafting Brick and Mangold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 1:14 PM, Savage69 said: They forced Farve??? So that's why Mangini named his son after him..? Such a bizzare narrative that wont go away despite the above point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecuadorian Jet Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 12:04 AM, AFJF said: Both failures.... In my mind, it was during the Mangini years that we had the better drafts. Not saying beat, but better drafts. Who was responsible of that back then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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