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One thing about rooting for a team is the bias you develop and I wonder how jaded I personally have become about our horrendous development in the most important position literally in all of sports. 

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List some other teams here who have been AS BAD OR WORSE than we have - please..? 
 

 

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Once again i go back to our one bit of nice success over the last 10-15 years.

Mark Sanchez at Qb and he was not a good QB but the team built a great oline, running game, stout defense and then added some nice WR's

This is what I want the Jets to do.  Forget Lawrence as much as people love the idea.  If possible trade down and with the bounty and the adams trade we should have a lot of talent all over the roster in two years.  THEN go out and get the best QB you can and let that player, vet or new draftee walk onto a team with talent.

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Denver, Tampa Bay, Chicago and Miami all come to mind. Has Tampa ever had a really good QB?

Since Namath the Jets have gotten above QB play from O’Brien, Esiason, Testaverde, Penningron. Many on here don’t appreciate (or believe) how good Kenny O was. Testaverde and Esiason were short lived end of career guys and Chad was injured. So, really since kenny O in the 80s the jets have failed to get a QB to build around, which is why they can’t give up on Darnold. He’s got more skill than any QB to play for the jets since Namath and at 23 they can’t afford to move on from that kind of talent.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

Since Elway the Bronco's have been through quite a few QB's except for Manning who they picked up at 36 after the Colts let him go.. The Bears haven't had many greats either.

 

I'm surprised to see that the bears haven't had any great QBs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bears_starting_quarterbacks

 

Like the Jets, they've been big underachievers. 

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1 minute ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Denver, Tampa Bay, Chicago and Miami all come to mind. Has Tampa ever had a really good QB?

Since Namath the Jets have gotten above QB play from O’Brien, Esiason, Testaverde, Penningron. Many on here don’t appreciate (or believe) how good Kenny O was. Testaverde and Esiason were short lived end of career guys and Chad was injured. So, really since kenny O in the 80s the jets have failed to get a QB to build around, which is why they can’t give up on Darnold. He’s got more skill than any QB to play for the jets since Namath and at 23 they can’t afford to move on from that kind of talent.

 

 

 

Include me in that group Kenny did have a good arm but had cement feet probably the only Jet QB without a rushing TD.. Namath had 7 wearing braces.. I much would have had Marino on that team then never won a playoff game Ken..:beer:

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49 minutes ago, Beaver said:

What kills me is the Jets can't even find an average QB.  Everyone drafted has been bottom of the league bad.  

They can't field an average roster to help the QB. Darnold has potential. The Jets don't.

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1 minute ago, Savage69 said:

Include me in that group Kenny did have a good arm but had cement feet probably the only Jet QB without a rushing TD.. Namath had 7 wearing braces.. I much would have had Marino on that team then never won a playoff game Ken..:beer:

If the only knock on kenny O you can identify is his mobility, that IMO is the sign of a good QB. As to the Marino comparison, only one QB had a winning record vs Marino. Not three or two. Only one. And that QB played Marino twice a year. And it wasn’t jim kelly or drew bledsoe. Can you guess who it was?

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1 minute ago, Sonny Werblin said:

If the only knock on kenny O you can identify is his mobility, that IMO is the sign of a good QB. As to the Marino comparison, only one QB had a winning record vs Marino. Not three or two. Only one. And that QB played Marino twice a year. And it wasn’t jim kelly or drew bledsoe. Can you guess who it was?

Look at the teams each played for the Jets were loaded compared to the Fins.. In 1985 only one team beat the Bears and it wasn't Kenny..

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Bills have Josh Allen

Lions have Matt Stafford

Vikings have Kirk Cousins (I get it)

Bears? Jay Cutler

Browns? Mayfield?

Bengals had Andy Dalton (Would be thrilled if Darnold turned in to Dalton at this point)

Dolphins?

Redskins? Had RG3

Raiders have Carr

Bucs had Winston?

Jaguars?

 

Worst Ones: Jaguars, Vikings, Browns, Dolphins, Jets...

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Come on guys every single team in the league goes through what we are going through. Just name the great quarterbacks for example Brady, Kelly, Marino, Russell Wilson, Mahomes, Namath, Stabler, Bradshaw, Roethlisberger. Etc.

Where the hell was every one of these teams in between these guys? Where Has Buffalo been since Jim Kelly? Where were the Seahawks before Russell Wilson? Kurt Warner made a few stops on a few teams but where were those teams before and after that for 20 years? Where were the 49ers before Kaepernick for a decade or two? My point is it's not only us it's every team in the league. Lions,  Bengals, Bears oh my!

Name some great Raiders, Vikings, or Cardinals QBs from the last two decades. You pretty much can throw in every team in the league goes through the same exact crap we do except Jets fans and the New York media are vicious and brutal LMFAO!

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25 minutes ago, predator_05 said:

 

I'm surprised to see that the bears haven't had any great QBs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bears_starting_quarterbacks

 

Like the Jets, they've been big underachievers. 

Amazingly, they won a SuperBowl with Jim McMahon (great leader, lousy QB) and lost a SuperBowl with Rex Grossman  (Lovie Smith never got the credit he deserved for the amazing job he did with a team that had no offense).

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1 hour ago, Savage69 said:

So the fact that Sanchez beat Brady mean's he was a very good QB?? Hell Fitz beat Brady as well..

That's one game! Anyone can win one game. O'Brien played against Marino twice a year for a decade. Marino had Shula as a HC. O'Brien had Joe freaking Walton. And O'Brien beat Marino more than Marino beat him. Your arguments are getting silly. Marino is HOF QB. O'Brien is not a HOF QB, but he was a really good QB.

O'Brien had over 25,000 yards in his 11-year career. In 1985, he was the highest rated quarterback in the NFL, finishing the season with a rating of 96.2. He also led the NFL with the lowest rate of interceptions in 1985, 1987, and 1988.  O'Brien was the first quarterback to pass for 400 or more yards (431) in a game and earn a perfect NFL 158.3 rating. He did it in 1986 against the Seahawks. No one else did it for then next 27 years. Kenny O is one of only 4 quarterbacks in NFL history to have a perfect passer rating of 158.3 in a game while attempting 30 or more passes.  Kenny O went to the Pro Bowl twice, in 1985 and 1991.  And he did all of this while playing behind a below average O line for most of his Jets' career.

All of these things add up to Kenny O being a very good QB. 

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4 hours ago, predator_05 said:

Yeah, there's a few . . . 

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Raiders seemed to have a new QB every year in that decade and a half between Gannon-Carr. 

Ooooo! JP Losman! Me! Me!  I live for the opportunity to use this! And I must do so whenever the situation presents itself because . . . resistance . . . is . . . futile!

"He invited me into the house for a little bit," Losman said. "There he was with his tight little shorts, no shirt, and his little red hat. He was doing some farming or something. He was covered in dirt. It was awesome." - Buffalo Bills Quarterback J.P. Losman on meeting his boyhood idol, Brett Favre, for the first time

LMFAO. It never wears thin. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Come on guys every single team in the league goes through what we are going through. Just name the great quarterbacks for example Brady, Kelly, Marino, Russell Wilson, Mahomes, Namath, Stabler, Bradshaw, Roethlisberger. Etc.

Where the hell was every one of these teams in between these guys? Where Has Buffalo been since Jim Kelly? Where were the Seahawks before Russell Wilson? Kurt Warner made a few stops on a few teams but where were those teams before and after that for 20 years? Where were the 49ers before Kaepernick for a decade or two? My point is it's not only us it's every team in the league. Lions,  Bengals, Bears oh my!

Name some great Raiders, Vikings, or Cardinals QBs from the last two decades. You pretty much can throw in every team in the league goes through the same exact crap we do except Jets fans and the New York media are vicious and brutal LMFAO!

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JN has the need to be the MOST NEGLECTED RED HEADED STPECHILD OF THEM ALL!!!!

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Prior to Mahomes, the Chiefs were awful at drafting QBs. 

It's almost like they were so scared of taking another Todd Blackledge  that they stopped trying to draft QB's entirely, and went with the veteran QB option as a result for much of their history, pre-Mahomes.  They didn't take a QB in the 1st round from 1984-2016:

  • Todd Blackledge (1983 - 1st round)
  • Mike Elkins (1989 - 2nd round)
  • Matt Blundin (1992 - 2nd round)
  • Steve Stenstrom (1995 - 4th round)
  • Pat Barnes (1997 - 4th round)
  • Brodie Croyle (2006 - 3rd round)
  • Ricky Stanzi (2011 - 5th round)
  • Aaron Murray (2014 - 5th round)
  • Kevin Hogan (2016 - 5th round)
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10 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

If the only knock on kenny O you can identify is his mobility, that IMO is the sign of a good QB. As to the Marino comparison, only one QB had a winning record vs Marino. Not three or two. Only one. And that QB played Marino twice a year. And it wasn’t jim kelly or drew bledsoe. Can you guess who it was?

That was a good qb dvision

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12 hours ago, Lizard King said:

One thing about rooting for a team is the bias you develop and I wonder how jaded I personally have become about our horrendous development in the most important position literally in all of sports. 

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List some other teams here who have been AS BAD OR WORSE than we have - please..? 
 

 

The problem is that deep down in their hearts both of the Johnson's don't value the QB position as much as they think and no where near as much as they should. They still prefer conservative, defense wins games approaches to teams. Let's not be naieve and think that GMs don't discuss what they want in a football team with the owner often and that floats down.

They have never been "all in" on a QB. In my opinion, the QB is like an order of magnitude (10x) more imprortant than any other position.

If Bill Polian how drafted Darnold he would have picked OL, TE, WR with almost every pick and FA signing for two years so he can develop.

QB is just not that important to the Johnsons. They still want to win like Parcells.

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30 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

The problem is that deep down in their hearts both of the Johnson's don't value the QB position as much as they think and no where near as much as they should. They still prefer conservative, defense wins games approaches to teams. Let's not be naieve and think that GMs don't discuss what they want in a football team with the owner often and that floats down.

They have never been "all in" on a QB. In my opinion, the QB is like an order of magnitude (10x) more imprortant than any other position.

If Bill Polian how drafted Darnold he would have picked OL, TE, WR with almost every pick and FA signing for two years so he can develop.

QB is just not that important to the Johnsons. They still want to win like Parcells.

 

The Jets traded up for Sanchez and Darnold.  They used 2nd round picks on Geno Smith and Christian Hackenberg.  All in less than a 10-year span.

It's not that the org doesn't value QB's highly.  It's that the organization has been completely unable to FIND a QB that's been the problem.

Hell, even Parcells drafted Pennington in the 1st round.

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