Daddy Wang Doodle Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Is the most overrated player in the league by a wide margin. Change my mind. 2 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adoni Beast Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 Another young talented quarterback that is being stifled by horrible coaching and lack of offensive weapons. 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I never understood why folks would complain on missing out on him. With that said, it looks like that team is trying to land the Dolphins the number one overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLuLu Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 If that's true then can't nobody come on here anymore defending Darnold about not having any weapons or a competent HC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bugg Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 At a complete loss why they traded Hopkins away. Made no sense at all. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bugg said: At a complete loss why they traded Hopkins away. Made no sense at all. Well, they got nothing for him, but their cap was gonna get squeezed. They gave Watson 40, Tunsil they way overpaid. Over 20 million. Hopkins at over 20, that would be about 80 million for 3 guys. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, chirorob said: Well, they got nothing for him, but their cap was gonna get squeezed. They gave Watson 40, Tunsil they way overpaid. Over 20 million. Hopkins at over 20, that would be about 80 million for 3 guys. That’s the problem with giving a QB $40m if he’s not a superstar. Im not crapping on Watson as much as others - I think he is real good at times but not great. Its one of the reasons I want to see Sam go. After the 2021 season gonna have to pay him a boatload without knowing what he really is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 It's almost like having the best WR in the league helps young QBs. 4 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Daddy Wang Doodle said: Is the most overrated player in the league by a wide margin. Change my mind. 0-4 "You are what your record says you are." - Bill Parcells Wouldn't be surprised if Bill O'Brien is gone at their Bye Week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 So Watson sucks after 4 bad games but jury still out on Darnold after 29 almost all bad games. #JNLogic 3 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: It's almost like having the best WR in the league helps young QBs. That's no excuse. Sam Darnold has had plenty to work with. He just needs to "throw them open" in the elaborate route concepts that Adam Gase has designed. Murderer's Row right here... 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, jgb said: So Watson sucks after 4 bad games but jury still out on Darnold after 29 almost all bad games. #JNLogic I think the question is why is Watson regressing? Why was he so good early in his career but now he's doing worse? If 4 games into 2020 has been enough to know the Jets suck then it's enough to say that perhaps Watson was a product of a great supporting cast? I'd argue the Jury is out on both of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: It's almost like having the best WR in the league helps young QBs. But but but WRs dOnT mAtTeR!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Bugg said: At a complete loss why they traded Hopkins away. Made no sense at all. Because Watson should be able to raise the guys around him. That's what franchise QBs do. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: I think the question is why is Watson regressing? Why was he so good early in his career but now he's doing worse? If 4 games into 2020 has been enough to know the Jets suck then it's enough to say that perhaps Watson was a products of a great supporting cast? I'd argue the Jury is out on both of them. There are no great QBs that are products of their supporting cast. They are either great, or they are not. Great QBs don't become turds at midnight because their WR #1 leaves town. If we can wait for 29 games to evaluate on Darnold, perhaps we should give Watson more than 4 before throwing dirt on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: But but but WRs dOnT mAtTeR!!!! The surest sign of holding a terrible argument is having to laughably mischaracterize the opposing side to have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: But but but WRs dOnT mAtTeR!!!! If you can't make it happen with Chris hogan as your #1 and Gase calling plays you're a bust. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, jgb said: So Watson sucks after 4 bad games but jury still out on Darnold after 29 almost all bad games. #JNLogic Fwiw I don't think Watson sucks. His dropoff without Hopkins does shine a spotlight on the difference real weapons can make though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, jgb said: The surest sign of holding a terrible argument is having to laughably mischaracterize the opposing side to have a chance. mischaracterize? agree to disagree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said: Fwiw I don't think Watson sucks. His dropoff without Hopkins does shine a spotlight on the difference real weapons can make though. Of course they make a difference. They just don't make the difference between league-worst and FQB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, slimjasi said: mischaracterize? agree to disagree Lol you can't disagree with the fact that you are stating my (and others like me) position incorrectly. You can make whatever opinion you want, but you can't make ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Bill O'Brien has been the most overrated person in the NFL for at least 5 years. Watson is good and has proved it but it also shows what you get when you give a guy no help. Pt almost any of the QBs in this league on the jets and they would look like shi* 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, jgb said: Lol you can't disagree with the fact that you are stating my (and others like me) position incorrectly. I absolutely can and do! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, jgb said: Of course they make a difference. They just don't make the difference between league-worst and FQB. True. You have to groom QBs though. Part of that is having a good organization around them to help them grow. Watson had a better situation for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, jgb said: There are no great QBs that are products of their supporting cast. They are either great, or they are not. Great QBs don't become turds at midnight because their WR #1 leaves down. If we can wait for 29 games to evaluate on Darnold, perhaps we should give Watson more than 4 before throwing dirt on him. Agree. I'm not throwing dirt on Watson. But we've now seen Watson with A+ talent around him and C- talent around him, and we're seeing a difference. We've seen Darnold with D+ talent around him and now F talent around him. We're seeing a slight difference. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Bill O'Brien has been the most overrated person in the NFL for at least 5 years. Watson is good and has proved it but it also shows what you get when you give a guy no help. Pt almost any of the QBs in this league on the jets and they would look like shi* Adam Gase is considered the 31st or 32nd best coach in the NFL. Many people feel that he, also, is being overrated and ranked too high. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I absolutely can and do! You're going to find arguing against yourself a very lonely experience, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 In my few times watching WATSON and I felt he held the ball too long, that’s all I got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 What a ludicrous reactionary take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Btw, bill o'brien is 1000x the coach Adam Gase is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, jgb said: You're going to find arguing against yourself a very lonely experience, then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Two words: Bill O'Brien 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, David Harris said: In my few times watching whites and I felt he held the ball too long, that’s all I got 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLuLu Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Bugg said: At a complete loss why they traded Hopkins away. Made no sense at all. Haven't you heard? Bill O' Brien is a self-made genius. They don't need any weapons because the lethal weapon is his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionCA Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Because Watson should be able to raise the guys around him. That's what franchise QBs do. That's why they traded him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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