Philc1 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 21 hours ago, TMAC said: CJ is the worst thing that ever happened to the Jets. Next is Gase. Next is Woody. Next is Maccagnan. Next is Idzik. Next is Kotite. Next is Bowles. Luckily Woody and Chrissy are busy with their other lucrative business endeavors and are thinking about selling the jets to free up some time oh wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 8:26 AM, jmat321 said: Leon Hess was a better owner. Coslet and Kotite fielded teams that were much more competitive. 22 hours ago, TMAC said: CJ is the worst thing that ever happened to the Jets. Next is Gase. Next is Woody. Next is Maccagnan. Next is Idzik. Next is Kotite. Next is Bowles. @nyjunc will teach you guys not to bad mouth Woody!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: @nyjunc will teach you guys not to bad mouth Woody!!!! I just deal in facts. Woody 2000-2016(17 seasons) 1 AFC East title (same number as 1970-1999, 2017-2020( 2 AFC Championship Games (same number as 1970-1999, 2017-2020) 6 playoff appearances (just 2 less as other 44 seasons in Jets history) 6 playoff wins (same as other 44 seasons in Jets history) Never had consecutive losing seasons Leon hess was some owner from 1984-1999(16 seasons) 1 AFC East title 1 AFC Championship Game 4 playoff appearances 2 playoff wins Had back to back losing seasons once and 3 straight losing seasons another time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 That may be true but he didn’t let an American that had killed a Brit drunk driving leave the country to avoid justice woody is a walking embarrassment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 6 hours ago, nyjunc said: I just deal in facts. Woody 2000-2016(17 seasons) 1 AFC East title (same number as 1970-1999, 2017-2020( 2 AFC Championship Games (same number as 1970-1999, 2017-2020) 6 playoff appearances (just 2 less as other 44 seasons in Jets history) 6 playoff wins (same as other 44 seasons in Jets history) Never had consecutive losing seasons Leon hess was some owner from 1984-1999(16 seasons) 1 AFC East title 1 AFC Championship Game 4 playoff appearances 2 playoff wins Had back to back losing seasons once and 3 straight losing seasons another time He inherited a good team from Parcells and as much as you will deny it he has been involved with the current sh tshow he’s a terrible owner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 6:58 PM, Philc1 said: He inherited a good team from Parcells and as much as you will deny it he has been involved with the current sh tshow he’s a terrible owner He inherited cap hell with an aging roster and total dysfunction with THREE HCs walking out on the Jets in the span of a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 6:36 PM, jetswinbaby! said: For hiring Adam Gase... The "King of Suckage!" Christopher Johnson is Woody's flunkie. Woody is behind ALL the bad decisions here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, nyjunc said: He inherited cap hell with an aging roster and total dysfunction with THREE HCs walking out on the Jets in the span of a year. They walked out because he was coming in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dcat said: Christopher Johnson is Woody's flunkie. Woody is behind ALL the bad decisions here. Wait are you implying the internet and phones exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Philc1 said: They walked out because he was coming in Parcells walked out because he didn't even want to coach in 1999. Belichick walked out because of Parcells Groh walked out because he lost the team and knew he didn't have the job security he'd have at UVa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, nyjunc said: Parcells walked out because he didn't even want to coach in 1999. Belichick walked out because of Parcells Groh walked out because he lost the team and knew he didn't have the job security he'd have at UVa. Parcells was the only departure you can’t blame on Woody. He was retiring no matter what. Al Groh knew a new owner was coming in and he had zero job security. Belichick is on record saying he interviewed with Woody over the phone the day before he wrote his resignation letter on a beverage napkin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fleming Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 7:10 PM, TuscanyTile2 said: Agreed. Gase was brought in here to develop the QB we draft after Darnold. Then if no QB is drafted after Darnold, then Gase stays indefinitely? Better hope we don’t win a game at all then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 6:52 PM, SAR I said: Gase can't be evaluated until he has weapons and gets a shot after drafting his own quarterback. SAR I Then he shouldn’t have taken the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fleming Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, Xtina said: Then he shouldn’t have taken the job Or the ownership should never have given it to him if they knew the future had to be sacrificed so The Gase regime could live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 CJ and Woody are both fools who know a lot less about football than they think they do. That's why this franchise has the worst organizational culture in the league. They more than anyone are the reason this team sucks so badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Xtina said: Then he shouldn’t have taken the job I'm sure he regrets it, believe me. No one could foresee the injuries that have occurred here. It's outrageous. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 6:52 PM, SAR I said: Gase can't be evaluated until he has weapons and gets a shot after drafting his own quarterback. SAR I 10 thumbs down, 11 confused and 7 laughed at. Keep it up SORE I! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 10:27 AM, Philc1 said: Parcells was the only departure you can’t blame on Woody. He was retiring no matter what. Al Groh knew a new owner was coming in and he had zero job security. Belichick is on record saying he interviewed with Woody over the phone the day before he wrote his resignation letter on a beverage napkin Woody wasn't officially introduced until well after BB left so he didn't interview with anyone. Remember how much BB hates the Jets, do you think he's going to say nice things about Woody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 CJ sucks for NOT yet firing Gase. And for not having real football people around he could rely on to find and hire a HC. I can’t say he sucks for the hire itself because when a HOF QB personally calls you and tells you it would be a mistake not to hire a HC, it’s hard to disregard it. I blame Manning more than CJ for the Gase hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 1:36 AM, jetswinbaby! said: For hiring Adam Gase... The "King of Suckage!" You get what you pay for and the Johnsons love to buy lunch meat on sale!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, nyjunc said: Woody wasn't officially introduced until well after BB left so he didn't interview with anyone. Remember how much BB hates the Jets, do you think he's going to say nice things about Woody? Again you can pretend like Woody’s process to buy the jets didn’t take several years but it did. During that time he had meetings with everyone including the head coach to be Belichick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said: CJ sucks for NOT yet firing Gase. And for not having real football people around he could rely on to find and hire a HC. I can’t say he sucks for the hire itself because when a HOF QB personally calls you and tells you it would be a mistake not to hire a HC, it’s hard to disregard it. I blame Manning more than CJ for the Gase hire. CJ sucks at everything except inheriting money. Ditto for his bro 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 2:20 PM, jetscrazey said: CJ and Woody are both fools who know a lot less about football than they think they do. That's why this franchise has the worst organizational culture in the league. They more than anyone are the reason this team sucks so badly. Jets are in a dark age similar to the raiders during Al’s last 10 years At least Al had an excuse he was a scenile old man. The Johnsons are just inept trust fund babies who think they can be NFL General Managers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Again you can pretend like Woody’s process to buy the jets didn’t take several years but it did. During that time he had meetings with everyone including the head coach to be Belichick Totally agreed. BB ran as far from Woody and as fast as he could . He KNEW who the owner was going to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 1:00 AM, Wonderboy said: CJ talking to Woody The problem is that both CJ and WJ are Fredo. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 10:20 AM, Dcat said: Christopher Johnson is Woody's flunkie. Woody is behind ALL the bad decisions here. I actually don't think so. Much of this is Chris. Think about Hard Knocks. Woody was very focused on winning. He was very obsessed with the team. He was clueless about football and all that, but he cared about his image and reputation, and wanted to sell PSLs. Chris is like one of the characters from Trading Places focusing on social justice, being a good guy, doing the right thing, etc. He has hired bad people and trusts them too much. Woody oversaw the temporary recovery in 2015. But once it appeared that Maccagnan and the organizational structure was completely broken, Woody was in London and has been letting Chris manage that. The Jets are going to lose real, real money next year if this continues. They will do something big before year end. Follow the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, Philc1 said: CJ sucks at everything except inheriting money. Ditto for his bro C'mon, you are a know nothing about football owner and Peyton Manning calls you and sings the praises of a guy who was his OC at the end of his career, and tells you to make no mistake about it, THIS is the THE GUY. It's the Johnsons' fault for not having a better organization with football minds to make the decision, but as constituted, how is he supposed to say no with that kind of reference? It's like when the Fins hired Tony Sparano because Bill Parcells told Jeff Ireland that Tony was THE GUY. (he was not). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: Totally agreed. BB ran as far from Woody and as fast as he could . He KNEW who the owner was going to be. Leon Hess left Parcells and Belichick alone. Ofcourse Woody on that phone call was laying down the law saying he signs the checks so he gets final say on football decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, varjet said: I actually don't think so. Much of this is Chris. You have no idea and it really doesn't matter. The one thing we do know is that both completely incompetent given the last decade of futility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: The problem is that both CJ and WJ are Fredo. I wouldn’t give either one of them a mop job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Leon Hess left Parcells and Belichick alone. Ofcourse Woody on that phone call was laying down the law saying he signs the checks so he gets final say on football decisions Im not certain we know that BUT , I would assume that BB has been around owners long enough to know who is a meddler and who isn't. Im sure he got, in writing, from Kraft, that BB has final say so. Woody would never and has never done that. he is a weak, unsuccessful being. If he was born to normal parent's, he would be working at the DMV or some other non accountable third rate agency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 10:18 AM, nyjunc said: He inherited cap hell with an aging roster and total dysfunction with THREE HCs walking out on the Jets in the span of a year. He also inherited a boatload of money and bought an NFL team that tripled in value, but if he had any real business sense, he'd just sit back and earn his compound interest and stay the hell out of the rest of it. He knows nothing about football. Zip. Zero. He's an albatross around his own neck and he still hasn't figured that out yet. Smart people hire people other who have acumen in a given area where they have none. The only thing Woody the Rube - who got in bed with the Maras to his own detriment - ever reeled in is other suckers, and he's even losing that battle now, COVID or no. He's a fckng idiot. It's not a character flaw to not only admit that you're not well-versed in a particular discipline, it's human and entrepreneurial with the right insight. Woody Johnson and his idiot brother will earn untold billions of dollars into perpetuity doing absolutely nothing but do nothing but harm the brand and the fanbase because they insist on inserting themselves in other areas besides cutting checks. Al Davis Lite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 They are both bad, CJ is much worse than Woody much much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, southparkcpa said: Im not certain we know that BUT , I would assume that BB has been around owners long enough to know who is a meddler and who isn't. Im sure he got, in writing, from Kraft, that BB has final say so. Woody would never and has never done that. he is a weak, unsuccessful being. If he was born to normal parent's, he would be working at the DMV or some other non accountable third rate agency. Also Bob Kraft is a great businessman and a smart guy. Woody is neither. The one time Kraft meddled and pissed off Bill Parcells he drafted Terry Glenn and he was actually right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 hours ago, southparkcpa said: Totally agreed. BB ran as far from Woody and as fast as he could . He KNEW who the owner was going to be. Woody is a born loser and BB could sense it. UGH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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