Week 4 Observations

[JetBlue]

My observations:

It's funny but now that Brady is on the Bucs, I find I can actually enjoy watching him play and appreciate what he is accomplishing on his own, away from the  true Evil Empire.   

Herbert and Burrow have great futures ahead of them and look better at this stage of their careers than Darnold has looked in his 3rd year in the league.  

Laviska Shenault is a BEAST. Can only imagine how he would look on a team with a real quarterback.   Only 4 games in but if the draft was done over CeeDee Lamb might have been the first receiver taken followed by Shenault.  

Is Henry Ruggs injured or just getting out by Nelson Aglohor?   (Whom we could have had btw).  

Browns went to sleep up 41-14 and tried to give away the game to Dallas.  If they ever decide to play a full 48 minutes this team could be really dangerous.  Cowboys' CeeDee Lamb is a BALLER.  

Lamar Jackson may not be on Mahomes level but he is still a damn good quarterback.   

Josh Allen is giving me John Elway vibes

Robby Anderson was never a one trick pony.  He just wasn't used any other way on the Jets.

Jeff Smith can play and was one of the few bright spots for the Jets on Thursday.   If we ever get a healthy Mims and Perriman on the field along with Smith and Crowder, Sam will have some decent weapons to work with.   That said I am still all in on "Tank for Trevor" or "Flop for Fields"

If Sam can't go next week, I want to see Morgan instead of Flacco; 

Is LaMical Perine in witness protection?  

Antonio Gibson is going to be a star for Washington and I really, really wanted the Jets to draft him. 

Justin Jefferson is making the Vikings forget about all about Stefon Diggs

How did James Robinson go undrafted???  

Is it is possible that the Giants have done a worse job of drafting then the Jets over the last few years? 

DeShaun Watson is very overrated.

 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, JetBlue said:

Is Henry Ruggs injured or just getting out by Nelson Aglohor?   (Whom we could have had btw).  

Yes, he's been dealing with both knee and hamstring issues.  He missed last week's game against the Patriots and was ruled out of this week's game on Friday.

[Fantasy Island]

good observations

[BurnleyJet]

The NFL outside the Jets looks like a completely different sport, to what I’ve been watching.
 

[BCJet]

3 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

The NFL outside the Jets looks like a completely different sport, to what I’ve been watching.
 

This is sadly not an exaggeration.  Our offense is not even on the HS level compared to other NFL teams.  Why are we unable to get a few easy completions for our QB or take shots down the field?

Also, not sure if it was mentioned elsewhere but our moronic HC actually said the following when asked why he doesnt use motion - That motion would slow the offense down when they get to the LOS and he just wants them to "go" when they get up the to line.  WTF does that even mean?  You dont want to take an opportunity for the defense to possibly tip their hand a little?  He is the worst in the league and its not close

[T0mShane]

Herbert being good is a little depressing. 

[Integrity28]

This x1000000

 

[DetroitRed]

People jumping to conclusions on so many players.  Slow down.

 

Lamar Jackson is a great player, not a great Qb

[Alentador31]

49 minutes ago, BCJet said:

This is sadly not an exaggeration.  Our offense is not even on the HS level compared to other NFL teams.  Why are we unable to get a few easy completions for our QB or take shots down the field?

Also, not sure if it was mentioned elsewhere but our moronic HC actually said the following when asked why he doesnt use motion - That motion would slow the offense down when they get to the LOS and he just wants them to "go" when they get up the to line.  WTF does that even mean?  You dont want to take an opportunity for the defense to possibly tip their hand a little?  He is the worst in the league and its not close

This is what I don't understand. When Manning ran this offense they didn't use a lot of motion because the point was for the defense to tip their hand. So they would use up nearly all of the play clock. Just sitting there while Manning yelled out gibberish and made calls at the line as defense tipped their hand. 

 

Using no motions and rushing to snap the ball just makes no sense. I have never seen a QB set up to fail so badly. Either Gase is really THAT bad or Darnold's mental game is worse than anyone realizes and Gase is taking all the heat. 

 

Either way...its bad fellas. Its bad. 

[BCJet]

25 minutes ago, Alentador31 said:

This is what I don't understand. When Manning ran this offense they didn't use a lot of motion because the point was for the defense to tip their hand. So they would use up nearly all of the play clock. Just sitting there while Manning yelled out gibberish and made calls at the line as defense tipped their hand. 

 

Using no motions and rushing to snap the ball just makes no sense. I have never seen a QB set up to fail so badly. Either Gase is really THAT bad or Darnold's mental game is worse than anyone realizes and Gase is taking all the heat. 

 

Either way...its bad fellas. Its bad. 

Im not sure how much motion Denver used with Gase and Manning but he had both Deamarious Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders both of whom were in the prime of their careers.  That offense, and what Gase tries to run here, is based on timing and your outside WRs running slants at various different levels.  It was an offense that was mastered when Manning had 2 HOF (not just good, Hall of Fame level) WRs who were precise route runners.  Gase and Manning were able to implement it in Denver with Thomas and Sanders who weren't as good as Wayne and Harrison, but were both excellent in 2014. 

Thomas and Sanders each caught over 100 balls, while the TE (Julius Thomas) caught 43 and CJ Anderson caught 34, all in a season where Manning threw for 4700 yards on almost 600 attempts.  This is exactly what Gase is trying to do here, but he doesnt have a Peyton Manning at QB nor does he have 2 legitimate outside receivers.  Thats not his fault, but its his job to adapt.  In 2020 teams spread the ball around, get guys in space and dont simply target their 2 outside WRs and ignore their TE.

This carried over to Thursday night as you saw Jeff Smith open on deeper slants and crossers.  Thats great - he looked excellent and we may have found something there.  I also think adding Mims will help Darnold a lot.  But that doesnt negate the fact that Gase is still doing the SAME EXACT THING.  It makes no sense as he doesnt have the personnel and especially the QB to do it. 

 

[JetBlue]

4 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

People jumping to conclusions on so many players.  Slow down.

 

Lamar Jackson is a great player, not a great Qb

I didn't say he was great, I said he was damn good.  And no I am not slowing down. I have been watching football for over 40 years and know a good player when I see one. You can feel free to come to your own conclusions and allow me to come to mine. Thanks for playing. 

[JetBlue]

10 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

good observations

Thanks.  This football season would really be enjoyable if our team wasn't such a train wreck.  

[JetBlue]

8 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

The NFL outside the Jets looks like a completely different sport, to what I’ve been watching.
 

My sentiments exactly.  Watching games like the Bucs and Chargers reminded me why I like football in the first place.  If all I did was watch the Jets I would give up on the sport altogether lol. 

[T0mShane]

Kenyan Drake after four games is averaging 3.8 ypc.

[JetBlue]

3 hours ago, BCJet said:

Im not sure how much motion Denver used with Gase and Manning but he had both Deamarious Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders both of whom were in the prime of their careers.  That offense, and what Gase tries to run here, is based on timing and your outside WRs running slants at various different levels.  It was an offense that was mastered when Manning had 2 HOF (not just good, Hall of Fame level) WRs who were precise route runners.  Gase and Manning were able to implement it in Denver with Thomas and Sanders who weren't as good as Wayne and Harrison, but were both excellent in 2014. 

Thomas and Sanders each caught over 100 balls, while the TE (Julius Thomas) caught 43 and CJ Anderson caught 34, all in a season where Manning threw for 4700 yards on almost 600 attempts.  This is exactly what Gase is trying to do here, but he doesnt have a Peyton Manning at QB nor does he have 2 legitimate outside receivers.  Thats not his fault, but its his job to adapt.  In 2020 teams spread the ball around, get guys in space and dont simply target their 2 outside WRs and ignore their TE.

This carried over to Thursday night as you saw Jeff Smith open on deeper slants and crossers.  Thats great - he looked excellent and we may have found something there.  I also think adding Mims will help Darnold a lot.  But that doesnt negate the fact that Gase is still doing the SAME EXACT THING.  It makes no sense as he doesnt have the personnel and especially the QB to do it. 

 

Bottom line is Gase is not the man for the job.  No one could have foreseen both Perriman and Mims going down for extended time but the offensive play calling has been atrocious and Darnold has regressed for some reason, missing open receivers, hesitating on throws etc.   Hopefully in a few weeks we will get at least get back Mims and can hopefully put a better product on the field.  

[BurnleyJet]

19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Kenyan Drake after four games is averaging 3.8 ypc.

I dream of 3.8 YPC ?

[Jetsfan80]

5 hours ago, BCJet said:

Also, not sure if it was mentioned elsewhere but our moronic HC actually said the following when asked why he doesnt use motion - That motion would slow the offense down when they get to the LOS and he just wants them to "go" when they get up the to line.  WTF does that even mean?  You dont want to take an opportunity for the defense to possibly tip their hand a little?  He is the worst in the league and its not close

 

lol wow.  And to add to your point, Adam Gase offenses, historically and statistically verified dating back to his Miami days, have consistently been among the slowest-paced offenses in the league on a seconds per play run basis.

If his slow-a$$ offense would be bogged down further by Motion, I hate to see what kind of snail's pace it would run WITH Motion in his mind.

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

People jumping to conclusions on so many players.  Slow down.

 

Lamar Jackson is a great player, not a great Qb

 

People need to stop with this.  He's an excellent QB, period.  He has a career TD:INT ratio of 49/10, has completed 64+ % of his throws and has averaged 7.6 Yards per Attempt.  What more does he have to prove, exactly, 35 games and 26 starts into his career, for people to admit he's somewhere on the 2nd tier of QB's in this league (with Mahomes being a tier all his own)?

Any argument otherwise at this point just tells me there's still a clear and present bias against his playstyle.  Far too many modern QB's are having success as dual threats to suggest its going away any time soon. 

[#27TheDominator]

I think that when you look at what the Jets added this offseason, it seems they went for big guys with speed.  They seem to have bumped Vyncint and Jeff Smith up the ladder.  Added Perriman and Mims.  These guys are not #1 WRs, but they will be mismatches if they can get 1-on-1.  Trouble is they aren't seeing the field.  Replace one with an older dude like Hogan, or big one like Cager and it takes the pressure off the defense and throwing to box out is very different than a guy open in space.  Will it get better when more of them see the field?  I don't honestly know.  I am more curious than hopeful at this point. 

[Icer]

9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

People need to stop with this.  He's an excellent QB, period.  He has a career TD:INT ratio of 49/10, has completed 64+ % of his throws and has averaged 7.6 Yards per Attempt.  What more does he have to prove, exactly, 35 games and 26 starts into his career, for people to admit he's somewhere on the 2nd tier of QB's in this league (with Mahomes being a tier all his own)?

Any argument otherwise at this point just tells me there's still a clear and present bias against his playstyle.  Far too many modern QB's are having success as dual threats to suggest its going away any time soon. 

Posters would be losing their minds if Jackson was putting up those stats on this team. It's a clear double standard

[Jetsfan80]

27 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I think that when you look at what the Jets added this offseason, it seems they went for big guys with speed.  They seem to have bumped Vyncint and Jeff Smith up the ladder.  Added Perriman and Mims.  These guys are not #1 WRs, but they will be mismatches if they can get 1-on-1.  Trouble is they aren't seeing the field.  Replace one with an older dude like Hogan, or big one like Cager and it takes the pressure off the defense and throwing to box out is very different than a guy open in space.  Will it get better when more of them see the field?  I don't honestly know.  I am more curious than hopeful at this point. 

 

Yep.  I think the philosophy was a good one.  No one expected all of these injuries, and the hope was that one or both of the Smith's would emerge as quality WR4 types to complement the rest of the depth chart.  Jeff Smith looked great against Denver, and I think Vyncint will be solid when he gets back.

A combination of the shortened offseason, Gase and Darnold sucking and an insane amount of injuries derailed what otherwise was a more than decent plan at WR.  

Adding Demarcus Robinson on the cheap as another body is the one move I would have liked to see Douglas make at WR, beyond drafting a 2nd WR to add to the pipeline.  Surely we could have done better than the 1 year, $1.05M he got  from KC late in the game without going too crazy.  The rest of it really wasn't a bad strategy.

[DetroitRed]

36 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

People need to stop with this.  He's an excellent QB, period.  He has a career TD:INT ratio of 49/10, has completed 64+ % of his throws and has averaged 7.6 Yards per Attempt.  What more does he have to prove, exactly, 35 games and 26 starts into his career, for people to admit he's somewhere on the 2nd tier of QB's in this league (with Mahomes being a tier all his own)?

Any argument otherwise at this point just tells me there's still a clear and present bias against his playstyle.  Far too many modern QB's are having success as dual threats to suggest its going away any time soon. 

He has to run to be succeed. Period.  He could not function if he did not run.  He has the tremendous advantage of facing teams in base defense the majority of downs.  If the running game is ever taken away from him, those numbers are going to look a whole lot different 

[Jetsfan80]

14 minutes ago, DetroitRed said:

He has to run to be succeed. Period.  He could not function if he did not run.  He has the tremendous advantage of facing teams in base defense the majority of downs.  If the running game is ever taken away from him, those numbers are going to look a whole lot different 

He's a much better passer than he was tabbed to be coming out of college.

And this assumption that his running will be taken away from him any time soon is flawed, too.  He may reduce the frequency of his running plays over time, but he won't stop being a running threat. 

The success of the likes of Kyler Murray and Josh Allen to date, as well as the next few classes of college QB's coming out, suggests dual threat QB's are the way things are going to be for a long time, unlike in years past where this was just a "passing fad".  The rules protect these QB's, and there are too many who CAN run to suggest it'll stop just because 1-2 of them get their knees crushed some day.  These running QB's and the teams that employ them are getting smarter about it, too.  It's not just a bunch of RG3's out there with impending doom around the corner. 

The QB position is just getting more and more athletic, with talented young kids who ordinarily would have been steered towards playing RB, WR, or Linebacker sticking with playing QB instead.  That's where the money is, after all.  The market economy that I know you're fond of is speaking volumes and impacting behavior.

I mean hell, Cam Newton is ancient by NFL standards and his body doesn't have much left, and even HE is still running and having success.

[56mehl56]

16 hours ago, JetBlue said:

My observations:

It's funny but now that Brady is on the Bucs, I find I can actually enjoy watching him play and appreciate what he is accomplishing on his own, away from the  true Evil Empire.   

Herbert and Burrow have great futures ahead of them and look better at this stage of their careers than Darnold has looked in his 3rd year in the league.  

Laviska Shenault is a BEAST. Can only imagine how he would look on a team with a real quarterback.   Only 4 games in but if the draft was done over CeeDee Lamb might have been the first receiver taken followed by Shenault.  

Is Henry Ruggs injured or just getting out by Nelson Aglohor?   (Whom we could have had btw).  

Browns went to sleep up 41-14 and tried to give away the game to Dallas.  If they ever decide to play a full 48 minutes this team could be really dangerous.  Cowboys' CeeDee Lamb is a BALLER.  

Lamar Jackson may not be on Mahomes level but he is still a damn good quarterback.   

Josh Allen is giving me John Elway vibes

Robby Anderson was never a one trick pony.  He just wasn't used any other way on the Jets.

Jeff Smith can play and was one of the few bright spots for the Jets on Thursday.   If we ever get a healthy Mims and Perriman on the field along with Smith and Crowder, Sam will have some decent weapons to work with.   That said I am still all in on "Tank for Trevor" or "Flop for Fields"

If Sam can't go next week, I want to see Morgan instead of Flacco; 

Is LaMical Perine in witness protection?  

Antonio Gibson is going to be a star for Washington and I really, really wanted the Jets to draft him. 

Justin Jefferson is making the Vikings forget about all about Stefon Diggs

How did James Robinson go undrafted???  

Is it is possible that the Giants have done a worse job of drafting then the Jets over the last few years? 

DeShaun Watson is very overrated.

 

They'd probably be even more dangerous if they decide to play a full 60 minutes ?

[JetBlue]

5 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

They'd probably be even more dangerous if they decide to play a full 60 minutes ?

Probably. Thinking basketball... lol. 

[DetroitRed]

He's a much better passer than he was tabbed to be coming out of college.
And this assumption that his running will be taken away from him any time soon is flawed, too.  He may reduce the frequency of his running plays over time, but he won't stop being a running threat. 
The success of the likes of Kyler Murray and Josh Allen to date, as well as the next few classes of college QB's coming out, suggests dual threat QB's are the way things are going to be for a long time, unlike in years past where this was just a "passing fad".  The rules protect these QB's, and there are too many who CAN run to suggest it'll stop just because 1-2 of them get their knees crushed some day.  These running QB's and the teams that employ them are getting smarter about it, too.  It's not just a bunch of RG3's out there with impending doom around the corner. 
The QB position is just getting more and more athletic, with talented young kids who ordinarily would have been steered towards playing RB, WR, or Linebacker sticking with playing QB instead.  That's where the money is, after all.  The market economy that I know you're fond of is speaking volumes and impacting behavior.
I mean hell, Cam Newton is ancient by NFL standards and his body doesn't have much left, and even HE is still running and having success.

Absolutely won’t last


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[Jetsfan80]

12 minutes ago, DetroitRed said:

Absolutely won’t last

Strong argument, would read again!

He could crush his knee this Sunday and still end up being a great pick.  And it won't stop the train of dual threat QB's one iota.