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29 minutes ago, Bronx said:

I wonder if JD says the same thing about Gase.

If he does, then he's not the guy.  I highly doubt that is the case.  You don't die on that hill as an NFL GM.  

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3 minutes ago, ljr said:

Regarding Glass Joe ... As far as "weakness and cowardice" that's wrong.  

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The Becton pick alone was very ballsy.  Macc wouldn't have made that pick in a million years.  He would have taken Jerry Jeudy there and pushed the OT issue to the 2nd/3rd round.

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1 hour ago, Sonny Werblin said:

How about someplace in between like Sam can be a solid NFL QB with better talent around him and better coaching.

Define "solid".  What's his ceiling?

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1 hour ago, TeddEY said:

Says who?

Says people who still point to Macc's Executive of the Year award in '15 as a way to suggest he wasn't "that bad" as a GM.

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1 hour ago, CTM said:

I know this is confusing stuff that requires a bit more schooling than your english lit undergrad but doubting Douglass != fluffing mac.

Explain that to Pac, please.  He still seems quite confused.

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18 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

what do you mean invest further.  if we have the top pick - no chance we don't get rid of Sam.  Probably same with #2 pick.  but after that - we don't have a choice but to stick with Sam.

Eh, not necessarily.  We don't know yet which other QB's might end up being risers outside of the "big 3".  We also don't know which veteran QB's come loose next offseason.  There's even a possibility where James Morgan and Sam Darnold compete for the 2021 job.  

In any case I can't imagine this team picking outside of the top 3 at the moment.  The Giants are the only team right now that is in our neighborhood of suckage.  Our remaining schedule is brutal.

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5 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

IMO, his ceiling remains high - think Roethlisberger. His floor is the real issue. With a supporting cast, I think his floor is Andy Daulton.

I see nothing in his game that suggests a ceiling that high.  I have Dalton as his ceiling, not his floor.  We're far apart here.

And it's not accurate to suggest Dalton is his floor.  He's played far worse than Dalton thru 30 starts, even at Dalton's worst.  What we've seen THIS YEAR is his "floor", and its bad.  

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3 minutes ago, Bronx said:

At least the Giants defense is making some noise. Our D, which was the stronghold last year, has regressed a la carte Gase.

They also play in the NFC East.  They won't be able to compete against Dallas, but a win or 2 against the likes of Washington and/or Philly is more than possible.

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6 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

It is very apparent that we see different players when we watch Darnold play. I have no idea if you are right, or if I am right. So, let's try it this way.

What did you see from Alex Smith the first 3 years of his career?

Smith was in 32 games with 30 starts and posted the following numbers:

11 wins;  19 Losses;  203 completions on 800 Attempts for 54.4%;  4,697 yards;  19 TDs;  31 Int

Sam Darnold has been in 30 games with all 30 as the starting QB and posted the following:

11 Wins;  19 Losses;  594 completions on 993 Attempts for 59.8%;  6,681 yards;  39 TDs;  32 Int 

What happened after Smith's third season? He missed season 4 with a shoulder injury. Then posted solid stats over 4 seasons in SF and then played for Andy Reid in KC. Over his 5 seasons as the starter in KC, Smith posted:

50 Wins;  26 Losses;  with completion percentage of 65.1% and averaged 231 yards per game. And, oh yeah, he never threw more than 8 interceptions in a season.

Why was Smith able to turn it around and Darnold, in your view, is not likely to? Especially since Darnolds' first 30 starts are better than Smith's.

The relevant questions are: 1) What made Alex Smith fail in his first 3 seasons? 2) Do those reasons exist for Darnold? 3) What made Alex Smith succeed after his first 3 seasons? 4) Can Darnold succeed if the same things are done for him?

 

For every Alex Smith, there are dozens of Geno Smith's and Mark Sanchez's who suck for 2-3 years and then continue to suck forever.  Darnold is better than both those guys, but not by enough to make a big difference.

Your hope of Darnold having Roethlisberger upside depends on him bucking history and doing something only 2-3 QB's in the last 2 decades (at most, since none of them were anywhere close to Big Ben's level) have done.  And even then, you have to wait a long time for it to ever come to fruition, like it did for Smith and Ryan Tannehill.

My opinion, that Darnold mostly sucks and has Andy Dalton as his ceiling, is supported by his statistical performance thru 30 games, his serious flaws that have followed him since USC (I.E. "eye test"), and the historical performance of QB's like Darnold over the years.

Yeah, I like my chances.  Wish I was wrong.

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3 minutes ago, Icer said:

Why is Alex Smith a barometer for success? A game manager journeyman QB who couldn't win you the big game, but at least he wouldn't lose it. Is that the QB you want to hitch your wagon to?

Yep!  The same guy Andy Reid dumped at his first chance, despite Smith coming off a career year.  This after trading up for a risky Air Raid QB and anointing him "the guy" when he had barely seen the field yet.

If Alex Smith is the best we can do with Darnold, we'll live.  Alex Smith is a QB you're moderately happy with but will always be wanting more out of and can never reach the next level with.  He's QB purgatory.  

Sonny was saying Darnold has a Roethlisberger ceiling, which is of course absurd given the information we have on Darnold to date.  Nothing but hope and dreams to support that possibility.  If he truly had Roethlisberger upside, sure, he'd be worth keeping.  But it just isn't true.  

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2 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

In his first three years playing under HOF coach for the first 2 with a talented team with a real running game, this is what Roethlisberger's 40 regular season games looked like:

29 Wins;  11 Losses;  644 completions;  1032 Attempts;  62.4%;  8519 yards;  52 TDs;  43 Int

This is in 10 more regular season starts (33% more) than Darnold with the benefit of playoff experience on a SB quality team. The only real difference is completion percentage. Was Ben's percentage helped by having a great run game and throwing passes to Heinz Ward, Antwan Randall El; Plaxico Burress; Santonio Holmes and Heath Miller. You bet it was. You can not really evaluate Darnold until he plays with better talent. 

 

It was a different game, even as recently as 2006.  And even then, they weren't comparable.  This was Ben's Yards per Attempt those first 3 seasons:

  • 2004:  8.9
  • 2005:  8.9
  • 2006:  7.5

Ben was LAUNCHING the ball his first 3 years in the league, and was still throwing at a 64 % clip.  His deep ball accuracy was off the charts.

Meanwhile, here's Darnold's YPA his first 2 seasons + the first 4 games this year:

  • 2018:  6.9
  • 2019:  6.9
  • 2020:  5.7

Not even in the same universe.  His deep ball accuracy has been an issue, even dating back to his days at USC.  

There's not going to be an opportunity for Darnold to play with "comparable talent" as Ben did.  Life isn't fair like that. 

Darnold has to play with the cards we're dealt, just as the Jets have to.  You don't hold onto Darnold until some hypothetical day when he'll have enough help to make him look average. 

At USC, he was handed great circumstances and yet was still a very flawed prospect with very mixed reviews.  Imagine that?  A QB can still be deemed to have serious red flags even with a solid OL, WR's, RB's and coaching!

Darnold is simply a bad QB who also has bad circumstances.  It's as simple as that.  And you're talking about his ceiling being a HOF QB.  It's lunacy dude.

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5 minutes ago, CTM said:

Damn that's dreadful. YPA is a much more important stat than looking at yards per game or completion % individually

Yep.  Helps separate out the dink-n-dunk guys and/or the inaccurate QB's when juxtaposed to other numbers the QB puts up.

Chad Pennington's career YPA was a very pedestrian 7.2, by the way.  

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9 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Whoever gave a thumbs down to this thread needs to eat camel chit.

Your point is not a meaningful one today and wasn't then either.  You deserved every one of those 11 thumbs down.  

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Just now, Ecuadorian Jet said:

So far, he is bad at drafting.

So far, we don't have enough information to say this one way or another.  

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Just now, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I want to believe in the guy , I do, but none of his picks are contributing. The only pick was contributing was endangered by his boyfriend Gase.

Mekhi Becton was the best Jets draft pick since 2007.

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Just now, BallinPB said:

Way too early to proclaim this.  

I'm proclaiming it anyways.  It was a ballsy pick and right out of the gates the kid looked like a franchise LT.  Find me a Jets pick since the 2007 Revis/Harris class that looked that good out of the gates.

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Just now, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I agree, but aside from that, as much as I want to believe in the guy, no Jabari, not Davis, not Morgan, not the guard from Charleston.

Perine had some reps today.

I stand corrected. Mann has been a starter from week 1.

Yes, and until we see those guys play you can't say one way or the other whether they were worthwhile picks.  Especially when coming off a highly unusual first offseason for the rookie class NFL-wide. 

I will admit I'm disappointed in Ashtyn Davis so far.  He's been healthy but a non-factor.  I was hoping for more in the early going.

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2 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

So not disappointed in the Mims pick or the Jabari pick, huh?

Absolutely not.  Mims will be a WR1 in this league, and Zuniga was a highly athletic pass rusher coming out of school, exactly the kind of shot you take on an EDGE guy.  The only reason he wasn't a late 1st/2nd rounder was his injury history.  

Draft picks are not failures 6 weeks into their first seasons, and "disappointment" only occurs if those guys play a couple seasons and turn out to be busts.

The short-sighted thinking on this stuff is just dumb, straight up.

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4 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

The only reason, you say that so casually like it's nothing to worry about in such a contact sport.

Just a piece of advice: don't be so inflexible in your points of view , specially in something so small like rooting for millionaires playing a kids game, before you call people dumb.

Not calling you dumb.  Calling the line of thinking that draft picks can be deemed "disappointments" 6 weeks in, dumb.  Which it is.

And injury history alone isn't a reason to stay away from a prospect beyond certain points in the draft.  There's been quite a few NFLers who had injury histories and then had a terrific return on investment because their market value dropped too far.  I think Bryce Hall will be in that category, for sure.

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2 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

Just to be totally fair, all the picks from this year, may end up having decent careers in the NFL, but so far, not a single person can say they are not disappointing.

You said "so far, he is bad at drafting".  Exact quote.  That is different from what you are saying here.  

I think he's going to be proven to be adept at drafting when we revisit the 2020 class a year or 2 from now.

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2 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

Emphasis on so far , 80, so far

The emphasis does nothing for me.  Either a pick works out or it doesn't, and we don't know if they will yet or not.  So far, we don't know how good of a drafter he is.  He is neither good nor bad. 

All we can judge him on is the logic behind the picks.  Prioritizing offense, premium positions and athleticism are what I like so far.  Failing to take a 2nd WR was about the only glaring problem I saw with the first draft class when it comes to that.

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4 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

For once I completely agree with you. He is the only hope we have. People need to calm down and recognize! emoji6.png

Yep.  If he fails, the Johnson's will hire another Maccagnan. 

It's sink or swim with JD, and the people calling for him to be fired or resign already are clinically insane.

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