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Which was a worse move-Drafting Barkley or trading up for Darnold?

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Hindsight is always 20/20 but what are your thoughts? 
 

Both NY teams are in this position in large part because of poor decisions that night. 
 

At the time I liked the move to trade up for a QB and was really high on Rosen, Darnold, and Allen (didn’t like Baker).

The Barkley pick to me always made no sense and the Giants are incredibly fortunate Darnold didn’t work out here. 
 

Overall I will go with the Giants. The Darnold pick did much more long term damage to the franchise, but the Giants could have done so much more with that pick. Gettleman was right not to take Darnold, but the move was to trade down not take Barkley.
 

I also think Darnolds career may have turned out different in blue for the simple reason that he would have likely sat behind Eli for a while and I trust Shurmur far more than any coach Darnold had. 
 

Got to admit. The fact the Giants didn’t take Darnold was always a red flag to me. Obviously there was something in his tape they didn’t like and they were proven correct. 

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For the love of God, will some moderator, ANY MODERATOR, do something about the non-stop proliferation of useless threads that keep littering the Jets Forum? It isn't hard to do a forum search for 'Daniel Jones' instead of starting 15 more threads about Daniel Jones. There should also be a serious thread merge or 50. 

 

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If you’re going to pass on a QB when you need a QB, the guy you select better be a stud. And Barkley is. In hindsight the call was the select Lamar. But no one thought that he was worth a top 5 pick at the time. 

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Barkley is a stud RB and Darnolds was dealt the worst hand Imaginable. As far as a pick, I think both were good picks. Baker is on a loaded team, so is Allen. Who is on the Jets?

We really needed another Darnolds sucks thread. 

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36 minutes ago, jetophile said:

For the love of God, will some moderator, ANY MODERATOR, do something about the non-stop proliferation of useless threads that keep littering the Jets Forum? It isn't hard to do a forum search for 'Daniel Jones' instead of starting 15 more threads about Daniel Jones. There should also be a serious thread merge or 50. 

 

Oh no, the thread police are here, everyone hide. Who the F cares? You dont want to read it, skip it, you make it seem like there are 100s of threads you need to weed through. Same threads have been visible here for a week. 

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44 minutes ago, jgb said:

If you’re going to pass on a QB when you need a QB, the guy you select better be a stud. And Barkley is. In hindsight the call was the select Lamar. But no one thought that he was worth a top 5 pick at the time. 

Gase woulda ruined Lamar, Sam on the Ravens, with a real coach etc, is at the very least respectable...

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45 minutes ago, jgb said:

If you’re going to pass on a QB when you need a QB, the guy you select better be a stud. And Barkley is. In hindsight the call was the select Lamar. But no one thought that he was worth a top 5 pick at the time. 

Could have had Cook, Chubb, or Kamara in round 2. All better players than Barkley. 

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1 minute ago, GreekJet said:

Could have had Cook, Chubb, or Kamara in round 2. All better players than Barkley. 

So who should they have drafted instead of Barkley? 

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Just now, The Crusher said:

So who should they have drafted instead of Barkley? 

Should have traded down and taken the Jets package offered to the Colts. They could of had Nelson and Kamara. 

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2 minutes ago, GreekJet said:

Could have had Cook, Chubb, or Kamara in round 2. All better players than Barkley. 

They are not better than Barkley. Barkley is doing what he does without an OL. The Giants OL is possibly worse than the Jets right now and Anderson is looking very ordinary

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Just now, GreekJet said:

Should have traded down and taken the Jets package offered to the Colts. They could of had Nelson and Kamara. 

Yeah, kind of what the Browns did when they had those picks. Makes sense.

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1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

They are not better than Barkley. Barkley is doing what he does without an OL. The Giants OL is possibly worse than the Jets right now and Anderson is looking very ordinary

Barkley spent his entire rookie contract on an awful team and then blew out his knee. He was an awful pick for a Giants team that needed to rebuild. 

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1 hour ago, jetophile said:

For the love of God, will some moderator, ANY MODERATOR, do something about the non-stop proliferation of useless threads that keep littering the Jets Forum? It isn't hard to do a forum search for 'Daniel Jones' instead of starting 15 more threads about Daniel Jones. There should also be a serious thread merge or 50. 

 

JN doesnt gaf about amillion stoopit threads..." its the way weve always doneit"

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59 minutes ago, jgb said:

If you’re going to pass on a QB when you need a QB, the guy you select better be a stud. And Barkley is. In hindsight the call was the select Lamar. But no one thought that he was worth a top 5 pick at the time. 

ahem...

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1 hour ago, jetophile said:

For the love of God, will some moderator, ANY MODERATOR, do something about the non-stop proliferation of useless threads that keep littering the Jets Forum? It isn't hard to do a forum search for 'Daniel Jones' instead of starting 15 more threads about Daniel Jones. There should also be a serious thread merge or 50. 

 

What do you care? Don’t read it if you’re that upset 

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hindsight is always 20-20.  the second rounders was a high price to pay to move up but they needed a qb and darnold at the time was the best choice.  if you really want to look at this then you have to go back to when the jets drafted adams instead of watson or mahommes. but then either of those guys would have been saddled with the mac/bowles tandem.  as long as mac was gm the team would still be in decline.

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1 hour ago, GreekJet said:

Hindsight is always 20/20 but what are your thoughts? 
 

Both NY teams are in this position in large part because of poor decisions that night. 
 

At the time I liked the move to trade up for a QB and was really high on Rosen, Darnold, and Allen (didn’t like Baker).

The Barkley pick to me always made no sense and the Giants are incredibly fortunate Darnold didn’t work out here. 
 

Overall I will go with the Giants. The Darnold pick did much more long term damage to the franchise, but the Giants could have done so much more with that pick. Gettleman was right not to take Darnold, but the move was to trade down not take Barkley.
 

I also think Darnolds career may have turned out different in blue for the simple reason that he would have likely sat behind Eli for a while and I trust Shurmur far more than any coach Darnold had. 
 

Got to admit. The fact the Giants didn’t take Darnold was always a red flag to me. Obviously there was something in his tape they didn’t like and they were proven correct. 

Trick question. 

Taking Jamal Adams was worse.

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1 hour ago, jgb said:

If you’re going to pass on a QB when you need a QB, the guy you select better be a stud. And Barkley is. In hindsight the call was the select Lamar. But no one thought that he was worth a top 5 pick at the time. 

100% agree. And even then Lamar may have not worked out in the Giants system like he did with the Ravens. You can't go back in time and judge these players the same way. It's near impossible. Giants passed on a QB and they took a stud RB, who knew he would get hurt this year. Maybe the Giants should have taken Drew Lock instead of Jones, maybe THAT was the mistake and not the selection of Barkley. And like someone else said, maybe Barkley WAS a mistake and they could have taken Darnold because with the Giants Darnold would have turned into a stud right away. 

Its all hyperbole and you can never tell so whats the point of all this. 

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Given the acquisition cost, and the production to-date, it's hard to say Sam Darnold was a "good pick" with a strait face tbqh.

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Barkley

The Giants passed on the likes of Darnold, Allen, Jackson, etc for a 230 lb RB who plays like he’s 180 and already has a busted knee.

They then proceeded to take a lesser QB prospect 1 year later who has 21 fumbles in 17 games.

Barkley may already be toast and I’ve never seen a QB with the severe ball security issues that Jones has.

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13 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Given the acquisition cost, and the production to-date, it's hard to say Sam Darnold was a "good pick" with a strait face tbqh.

you know we are all familiar with the excuses for darnold but if they weren't so evident then they wouldn't carry any weight.  every team has injuries, yada, yada, yada but i don't seem to recall any team having to battle through such a cluster at the beginning of a season.  darnold has been hand cuffed and a true assessment can't be made until he does get the players back and they have some practice and games together.  that's just the way it is.

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4 minutes ago, rangerous said:

.....a true assessment can't be made until......

This is a meme at this point.  Jets fans have been saying it for years and years.....for QB after QB.

Like it or not, assessments HAVE been made.  And must be made.  Time is a factor.  Bad situation or not.

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54 minutes ago, GreekJet said:

Barkley spent his entire rookie contract on an awful team and then blew out his knee. He was an awful pick for a Giants team that needed to rebuild. 

I would say it's pretty obvious you have not seen him play. Barkley is not why the Giants suck. 

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4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

This is a meme at this point.  Jets fans have been saying it for years and years.....for QB after QB.

Like it or not, assessments HAVE been made.  And must be made.  Time is a factor.  Bad situation or not.

He’s not getting his option picked up and the Jets are almost certainly going to be looking at QBs in the draft with a top 3 pick. It’s hard to do but Jets fans need to let go of Sam. Maybe he figures things out one day elsewhere but it’s not happening here.  

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6 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

I would say it's pretty obvious you have not seen him play. Barkley is not why the Giants suck. 

And what has he done for the Giants? What is their record with him?

They have wasted three years of his prime. Now they have to decide whether or not to pay him.  

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At the time, they were both good moves. Most people knew that the Giants didn't love any of the QB's, and that since Eli was still there Barkley was going to be the pick. Jets trading up meant they would get 1 of their 2 top rated QB,s. It fit both teams. To date, it's obvious who the better player has been, it's not even close.

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10 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

At least we didnt take Tua over Herbert.

3 games? Can we at least see Tua play?

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1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said:

I haven't written Darnold off yet. Give him weapons and a competent HC before I judge.

You and me on the same page. I'm still waitin' for Geno to get some weaponz

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Just now, section314 said:

At the time, they were both good moves. Most people knew that the Giants didn't love any of the QB's, and that since Eli was still there Barkley was going to be the pick. Jets trading up meant they would get 1 of their 2 top rated QB,s. If fit both teams. To date, it's obvious who the better player has been, it's not even close.

Darnold has won more games for the Jets than Barkley has for blue. 

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Just now, GreekJet said:

3 games? Can we at least see Tua play?

Tua can’t beat out Ryan Fitzpatrick while Herbert is tossing 70 yard TD’s to practice squad fodder.

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