I was wrong about Josh Allen, and it sucks.

[batman10023]

37 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

And as president and CEO, I want full control of chapter membership in the "I Friggin' Love Josh Allen's Girlfriend, Brittany Williams,  Club".   Wow is she a doll.

 

she looks too weathered for her age. 

[pdxgreen]

I will totally accept my "I was wrong about Josh Allen" stamp of shame. Because I (as a Ducks fan) saw a lot of NFL fans bet their reputation on Justin Herbert being one of the biggest busts in NFL history.  Oregon QB's you know. Can't trust them.

 

 

[munchmemory]

3 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

she looks too weathered for her age. 

Lookin' absolutely fine to me.   I'll make sure to take you off our mailing list.

[Jetsfan80]

14 minutes ago, CTM said:

Hog wash. he lands at 15 this year and back to 25th next year the original projection holds. 

That's a lot that needs to happen to make that so.  He looks like a completely different QB right now.

[batman10023]

1 minute ago, munchmemory said:

Lookin' absolutely fine to me.   I'll make sure to take you off our mailing list.

hold off on that.

she's probably close to 1/2 my age.  still a lot LESS weathered than anyone my age.

btw her mom looks pretty good as well!

[Charlie Brown]

4 hours ago, Samtorobby47 said:

Potential surrounded by good coaching staff and roster usually equals success. 
 

Josh Allen drafted here would’ve been just as frustrating as it is with Darnold. 

Thank you....

We think Allen with the worst OL and skill players in the NFL would have done what exactly? 

[The Crusher]

13 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

she looks too weathered for her age. 

I thought the same thing,” damn, she looks weathered and stuff.” 

[Spoot-Face]

50 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

And as president and CEO, I want full control of chapter membership in the "I Friggin' Love Josh Allen's Girlfriend, Brittany Williams,  Club".   Wow is she a doll.

 

Eh, she looks too much like an actual doll, for my taste.

[Jetsfan80]

44 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

I was wrong too.  I did not expect his accuracy to improve.  

Nor should you have expected it to improve.  Basically no QB in the history of the NFL has turned around his accuracy anywhere close to this degree.

Can a 58 % passer become a 62-63 % type of guy?  Sure.  Can he jump from 58 %, with a sub-7.0 Yards per Attempt to a 70 % (or upper 60s) guy, averaging 9.0 YPA?  Before this year, no, I would said that was absolutely impossible. 

Even if he regresses and finishes the season at 65 % and about 8.0-8.5 YPA, he'll have essentially accomplished the impossible, given both his college resume and performance his first 2 years.

Inaccurate QB's just don't simply become accurate QB's over time.  Ever.

And that doesn't even go into the part about him cleaning up his turnover problem.  That's also something QB's basically never fix.  

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Thank you....

We think Allen with the worst OL and skill players in the NFL would have done what exactly? 

Run for a sh*t-ton of yards?

Look, I know I'm late to the party here.  But at least Allen would have provided some excitement, even if the kind of turnaround he's had in Buffalo was not destined to happen had he been drafted here. 

Not only is Darnold bad, but outside of a few backyard plays here and there, he's been boring to watch.  He finally busted a big run against Denver and then proceeded to sh*t himself, again, for like the 15th time in his career.  

Allen also wouldn't have cost us three 2nd round picks, either.  Though of course he might have prolonged Macc's career a bit longer.  So maybe I should be thankful.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

Josh Allen would have been a star here. You can get away with below average pass protection with him ala Wilson and a young Big Ben. Then his ability to run opens up the zone read. Then the ability to improvise and extend possession. Josh would have been the reason why we would have held onto a terrible coach a year or so longer.

[THE BARON]

9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Nor should you have expected it to improve.  Basically no QB in the history of the NFL has turned around his accuracy anywhere close to this degree.

Can a 58 % passer become a 62-63 % type of guy?  Sure.  Can he jump from 58 %, with a sub-7.0 Yards per Attempt to a 70 % (or upper 60s) guy, averaging 9.0 YPA?  Before this year, no, I would said that was absolutely impossible. 

Even if he regresses and finishes the season at 65 % and about 8.0-8.5 YPA, he'll have essentially accomplished the impossible, given both his college resume and performance his first 2 years.

Inaccurate QB's just don't simply become accurate QB's over time.  Ever.

And that doesn't even go into the part about him cleaning up his turnover problem.  That's also something QB's basically never fix.  

Agree.  A QB's college accuracy % does not go up from college to the pros.  Like Walsh always said.  Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy...

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

Agree.  A QB's college accuracy % does not go up from college to the pros.  Like Walsh always said.  Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy...

Not significantly and not often, anyways.  

It was the exact argument against Hackenberg ever becoming anything, and which proved to be 100 % true:  If you can't complete 60+ % of your throws against Indiana in 4 attempts, you're not gonna do it in the pros.

[Integrity28]

5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

-83 QBASE score.  56 % career completion % at Wyoming.  2 underwhelming seasons to start his career, loaded with turnovers and poor accuracy.  I called him a Running Back.  There was zero evidence available to suggest Josh Allen would put together 4 games like he has to start 2020, yet he has.

2020 sucks, and that's extended to the NFL season.  

FML.  

Kudos for admitting it. I was kinda shocked at how long you held on. Silly guy.

[munchmemory]

18 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Eh, she looks too much like an actual doll, for my taste.

Damn, you guys are a tough audience.   I guess it'll be up to me to bed down the poor girl if Josh should find greener pastures.  I am willing to make that sacrifice.

It will be a cold day in hell when I have a problem with a chick with her legs and butt.

[Ecmic]

28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not significantly and not often, anyways.  

It was the exact argument against Hackenberg ever becoming anything, and which proved to be 100 % true:  If you can't complete 60+ % of your throws against Indiana in 4 attempts, you're not gonna do it in the pros.

It could be that Allen is irregularly far behind the development curve. Small-time high school, then community college, then a red-shirt year, then two years at Wyoming were his lead-up to the NFL. It's likely that, on Draft Day 2018, he'd never in his life had the quality of coaching/reps that many five-star recruits get while in high school.

[Spoot-Face]

6 minutes ago, munchmemory said:

Damn, you guys are a tough audience.   I guess it'll be up to me to bed down the poor girl if Josh should find greener pastures.  I am willing to make that sacrifice.

It will be a cold day in hell when I have a problem with a chick with her legs and butt.

Your taste in women is still better than @HessStation's.

[hamat711]

2 hours ago, rangerous said:

i'm not so down on allen.  he was always going to be a handful as a qb because of his running ability.  apparently buffalo was able to straighten out his passing so now he's got the tools, both physical and the players around him to do well.  we'll see but i'd have to say buffalo is going to win the division.

Allen was drafted to a terrible offense. 

Zay Jones, Kelvin Benjamin and Robert Foster were his main targets. His O-line was also awful.

Dion Dawkins was the only player that remained on the Bills offense after his first year. The entire O-line and WR group had to be rebuilt.

[HessStation]

17 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

Your taste in women is still better than @HessStation's.

i was just about to say, he could do better

[Spoot-Face]

1 minute ago, HessStation said:

i was just about to say, he could better

I mean, could she even break a coconut between her chest?

 

I think not.

[ScarletKnight89]

I was wrong about him too. 

Maybe we should hire Brian Daboll to be our next Head Coach. 

[Philc1]

2 hours ago, THE BARON said:

Agree.  A QB's college accuracy % does not go up from college to the pros.  Like Walsh always said.  Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy...

It depends on the system and the types of thriws

 

Geno Smith had 71% completion percentage in college

[Philc1]

2 hours ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

Josh Allen would have been a star here. You can get away with below average pass protection with him ala Wilson and a young Big Ben. Then his ability to run opens up the zone read. Then the ability to improvise and extend possession. Josh would have been the reason why we would have held onto a terrible coach a year or so longer.

Allen with Bowles then Gase and this crappy roster?  I doubt it and I’m not even an Allen hater and never was 

[LAD_Brooklyn]

8 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Allen with Bowles then Gase and this crappy roster?  I doubt it and I’m not even an Allen hater and never was 

I know, you're anti-Mayfield. However I'm stinking with the samethings I said about him pre-draft, which was he will be star and yes even with the Jets.

You know what? I'll going back to my Josh Allen avatar.

[Jet_Engine1]

8 hours ago, T0mShane said:

If it makes you feel any better, the great Mike Tannenbaum did a radio interview about a month ago where he said, at length, that Josh Allen was never, ever, going to be any good because of the accuracy and brain. Just totally trashed him. 

Accuracy and Brain,  you say? Funny, those were the same issues I had with Tanny.

 

Oh  the ironing....

[THE BARON]

44 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

It depends on the system and the types of thriws

 

Geno Smith had 71% completion percentage in college

 an interesting outlier.  Also... Joe Montana went up in accuracy percentage from college to pros

[Peteo]

I wanted Baker first then Allen then Sam.  Sam just didn’t impress me and still hasn’t.

[Philc1]

55 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

 an interesting outlier.  Also... Joe Montana went up in accuracy percentage from college to pros

Favre

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

I know, you're anti-Mayfield. However I'm stinking with the samethings I said about him pre-draft, which was he will be star and yes even with the Jets.

You know what? I'll going back to my Josh Allen avatar.

Allen has an excellent head coach and supporting cast in Buffalo.  Sam has trash

 

Sam’s situation is why Trevor Lawrence will pick staying in college

[BornJetsFan1983]

9 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

-83 QBASE score.  56 % career completion % at Wyoming.  2 underwhelming seasons to start his career, loaded with turnovers and poor accuracy.  I called him a Running Back.  There was zero evidence available to suggest Josh Allen would put together 4 games like he has to start 2020, yet he has.

2020 sucks, and that's extended to the NFL season.  

FML.  

It's just coaching man, development and having talent around him. Buffalo basically got tired of sucking and figured out how to do it right. Allen wasn't the best qb draft prospects not even close, but they built an offense around his ability. Has they drafted Sam he would be doing the same....but unfortunately we drafted Sam and refuse to help him at all.

[Philc1]

4 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

Thank you....

We think Allen with the worst OL and skill players in the NFL would have done what exactly? 

Allen would make Chris Hogan look like Randy Moss

[Fantasy Island]

9 hours ago, Scoop24 said:

He had the highest ceiling of the group. Bills figured out how to unlock it . Definitely surprising me how well he is playing .

coaching, mystery solved

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 hour ago, Fantasy Island said:

coaching, mystery solved

Lol right? I mean it's so obvious how bad gase is. Literally every game he has shown ineptitude.

I don't get keeping him at all. I would love to see a browns esk recovery...we literally have the coach who did it. Just promote G williams and give him a shot rest of season. We can't do worse. Honestly we have lost everygame to terrible teams.

 

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

It depends on the system and the types of thriws

Geno Smith had 71% completion percentage in college

Being accurate as a QB in college doesn't guarantee success.

But being INACCURATE in college, before Josh Allen, definitely guaranteed failure.  

[JetBlue]

I liked Allen and was on record for staying at 6th and taking whom ever fell to us (Allen or even Jackson).   He was the most talented of all the quarterbacks but also perhaps the most raw.  But everyone kept calling him Hackenberg 2.0 so I figured no way the Jets take some with those kinds of flaws, even if they were fixable.    I talked myself into getting excited when we "lucked" into Darnold and figured he would ultimately be the best qb out of that bunch (he needed to be after giving up 3 2nd round picks).  Unfortunately things have not turned out that way.  He really would have benefited from sitting most of his first year like Mahomes did.   What did the Jets do?  Through him right out there to take his lumps and lumps he did take.   Allen's first year was very uneven but you could still see some flashes of what this guy was capable of.    The next year, we all had high hopes for Darnold but he started the year out with a dud of a performance then followed that up by missing 4 games with mono... MONO!  I was like WTF???    When he returned he played half way decent but was still somewhat inconsistent and the NE game was an embarrasment.  Meanwhile Allen continue to improve incrementally; still struggling occasionally with his accuracy and consistency.   With all of that he still had a enough good performances to help lead his team to the playoffs.    Fast forward to 2020 and you can see how much he has improved and Sam seems to have regressed.  Maybe we are being SOJ and not being fair as he has been without most of his best offensive players.   While I know that is true, when I watch Darnold it just looks like something is missing.   I will personally give Darnold 3-4 more games to show me something.  He should have a few more starters back over that period and the excuses will no longer cut the mustard.