Darnold Extension

[batman10023]

If i recall correctly the Jets gave Sanchez an extension when the noise of another qb was out there.  Is there a chance we do the same with Darnold?

with the way things are going it seems like Sam is going to play on next year and then have to sign a back up contract for 3MM a year.  Maybe we sign him to a 3 year extension of $50mm with $15MM guarantee.  Throw some incentives so it can get bumped up to 25mm per year.

we have him play next year (maybe 1/2 a year) and sit our FQB until we get everything in place.  Then trade him.

 

just thinking -doubt they do something like this.

[JohnnyLV]

I think they will just use the 5th year extension and then a new contract in Season 4 if he develops

[bitonti]

Just now, johnnysd said:

I think they will just use the 5th year extension and then a new contract in Season 4 if he develops

the 5th year option is 25 mil 

your logic is sound you have to extend a guy who you pay 25 mil

but that aside

when's the last time the Johnson's paid anyone 25 million dollars for a year's worth of work? 

especially someone so shabby as Darnold 

it's all over for Darnold in this town, jersey-buyers

all over but the crying 

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I think they will just use the 5th year extension and then a new contract in Season 4 if he develops

lol.  

Yes, the Jets are going to hand Darnold an unearned $25M+ in 2022 as the franchise is headed for a top 3 pick.  Totally!

[batman10023]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

the 5th year option is 25 mil 

your logic is sound you have to extend a guy who you pay 25 mil

but that aside

when's the last time the Johnson's paid anyone 25 million dollars for a year's worth of work? 

especially someone so shabby as Darnold 

it's all over for Darnold in this town, jersey-buyers

all over but the crying 

remind me - if they pick up the 5th year option is it fully guaranteed.  i did not think so - maybe something about injuries.

re johnsons - at some point they will have to pay a QB that salary unless we continue to have crappy qb's.  

[TuscanyTile2]

I'm not at all against an extension for Sam.  Though ideally we'd be able to see where we pick in the draft and know for sure if Trevor is going to be in the draft and doesn't oppose playing for the Jets.

I still believe Sam is going to be a FQB for some team (possibly us but the likelihood continues to get slimmer and slimmer).

[bitonti]

4 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

remind me - if they pick up the 5th year option is it fully guaranteed.  i did not think so - maybe something about injuries.

re johnsons - at some point they will have to pay a QB that salary unless we continue to have crappy qb's.  

When a team exercises the option (YEAR 4), it becomes guaranteed for injury only. If the player is on the team’s roster at the start of the League Year in his option season (YEAR 5), his salary becomes fully guaranteed for skill, cap and injury.

it's a super sweet contract, too sweet to let play out  

the franchise tag for QBs are 26 and transition is 24

Sam Darnold in his current form isn't worth 25 cents 

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

Sam Darnold in his current form isn't worth 25 cents 

Kid legit can't even sell plasma.

[Dcat]

21 minutes ago, batman10023 said:

If i recall correctly the Jets gave Sanchez an extension when the noise of another qb was out there.  Is there a chance we do the same with Darnold?

with the way things are going it seems like Sam is going to play on next year and then have to sign a back up contract for 3MM a year.  Maybe we sign him to a 3 year extension of $50mm with $15MM guarantee.  Throw some incentives so it can get bumped up to 25mm per year.

we have him play next year (maybe 1/2 a year) and sit our FQB until we get everything in place.  Then trade him.

 

just thinking -doubt they do something like this.

because of his injuries and the team's terrible rosters, the Jets need to exercise that 5th year option.  It sucks, but we STILL don't know what we have and will NOT know until Gase is gone.

[heymangold]

Sam’s gone.

[Gibby]

I’m still rooting for Sam- but it may well be over here for him. Not all his fault but he still hasn’t earned anything. This was his year to change the narrative. Now he’s hurt ( yet again) and the franchise is an absolute mess. I don’t see him moved to Pittsburgh or anywhere else for that matter. He has really no value to speak of. He may possibly get one last shot next year depending on how the balance of this years sh*t show plays out - but the chances of him having a long lasting career here in New York are now slim.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Dcat said:

because of his injuries and the team's terrible rosters, the Jets need to exercise that 5th year option.  It sucks, but we STILL don't know what we have and will NOT know until Gase is gone.

They really don't have to do that.

Have people actually watched Darnold play so far this season?  Meanwhile, he's already about to miss his 7th game to injury/ailment.  This isn't a guy you just hand $25M+ to, for accomplishing nothing in this league.

If you want to say he should get the 2021 season to "prove himself" with  a new coaching staff, I can at least understand that perspective.  But make him earn his money in 2022 and beyond.  

In reality, he isn't getting a 5th year option, and he isn't getting 2021, either.  This is his last year as the Jets starting QB.  It's far more likely he's off the roster in 2021 entirely than it is him starting for the Jets beyond this season.

[Jet2020]

Lol what?

[Losmeister]

people slamming Gases callin in the RZ...  is the QB you blind MFers...

 

 

[UntouchableCrew]

Unless we see a dramatic turnaround there's no chance they exercise his 5th year option.

We're headed for a top three pick. There's probably a 90% certainty this is his last year on the team.

[slimjasi]

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

lol.  

Yes, the Jets are going to hand Darnold an unearned $25M+ in 2022 as the franchise is headed for a top 3 pick.  Totally!

Yea, this is nuts. 

I am someone who has consistently said that I think Darnold can develop into a good QB, but if he wants that to be here, he needs to win more games than we currently think is possible. He has to make it so that we have no shot at Lawrence or Fields, at the very minimum. 

You people who think Darnold is coming back no matter what are not living in reality. 

[Icer]

If we land the top pick, he won't be getting the 5th year let alone an extension

[Philc1]

21 minutes ago, bitonti said:

the 5th year option is 25 mil 

your logic is sound you have to extend a guy who you pay 25 mil

but that aside

when's the last time the Johnson's paid anyone 25 million dollars for a year's worth of work? 

especially someone so shabby as Darnold 

it's all over for Darnold in this town, jersey-buyers

all over but the crying 

Still crying over Adams

 

The Seahawks defense has given up the second most fantasy points to opposing qbs this year btw

 

[UntouchableCrew]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

 

If you want to say he should get the 2021 season to "prove himself" with  a new coaching staff, I can at least understand that perspective.  But make him earn his money in 2022 and beyond.  

Yeah, the best case scenario for Darnold on the Jets at this point is that he gets the Trubisky treatment -- they don't pick up the 5th year option, they bring in a vet QB to compete with him and give him once last shot to redeem himself.

I don't think this will play out though, given where this season is going. Instead he'll get the Rosen treatment -- we'll draft Lawrence and flip him for whatever we can get.

[jgb]

The only extension JD is giving Darnold is a leg extension

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

Yea, this is nuts. 

I am someone who has consistently said that I think Darnold can develop into a good QB, but if he wants that to be here, he needs to win more games than we currently think is possible. He has to make it so that we have no shot at Lawrence or Fields, at the very minimum. 

You people who think Darnold is coming back no matter what are not living in reality. 

Yes he should be looking like John Elway throwing to Josh Malone and Chris Hogan with no Left Tackle and Gase’s inept playcalling 

[Barry McCockinner]

[Losmeister]

4 minutes ago, Gibby said:

Not all his fault but he still hasn’t earned anything. This was his year to change the narrative. Now he’s hurt ( yet again)

NYJ gave him a 1/32 in the world job that he never had to compete for. He has performend that duty at a significantly sub-standard level.

His own substandard performance at his job got him injured.

 

 

[batman10023]

5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

They really don't have to do that.

Have people actually watched Darnold play so far this season?  Meanwhile, he's already about to miss his 7th game to injury/ailment.  This isn't a guy you just hand $25M+ to, for accomplishing nothing in this league.

If you want to say he should get the 2021 season to "prove himself" with  a new coaching staff, I can at least understand that perspective.  But make him earn his money in 2022 and beyond.  

In reality, he isn't getting a 5th year option, and he isn't getting 2021, either.  This is his last year as the Jets starting QB.  It's far more likely he's off the roster in 2021 entirely than it is him starting for the Jets beyond this season.

unless we trade him - why would he not be on the roster next year.  his cash cost is very very low.

[Bronx]

Max out this beast! Anything less would be bellow SOJ standards.

[UntouchableCrew]

Just now, batman10023 said:

unless we trade him - why would he not be on the roster next year.  his cash cost is very very low.

Because once we draft his replacement (which seems very likely at this point) he has way more value to us as a trade asset than as a backup QB.

[IndianaJet]

I said this a few weeks ago, if the Jets get the #1 overall pick, Darnold will be on the Colts next year in exchange for a 2-3rd rounder.  I'll add the Saints to that list too - but I think it will be the Colts since the FOs have such a close cozy relationship.

Darnold would likely become a star at either of those two spots.

 

[UntouchableCrew]

Just now, IndianaJet said:

I said this a few weeks ago, if the Jets get the #1 overall pick, Darnold will be on the Colts next year in exchange for a 2-3rd rounder.  I'll add the Saints to that list too - but I think it will be the Colts since the FOs have such a close cozy relationship.

Darnold would likely become a star at either of those two spots.

 

For my own mental health I'd greatly prefer the Jets move Darnold to the NFC so that when he inevitably plays well for someone else we don't have to play him often. Sadly most of the best suitors seem to be in the AFC.

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Yeah, the best case scenario for Darnold on the Jets at this point is that he gets the Trubisky treatment -- they don't pick up the 5th year option, they bring in a vet QB to compete with him and give him once last shot to redeem himself.

I don't think this will play out though, given where this season is going. Instead he'll get the Rosen treatment -- we'll draft Lawrence and flip him for whatever we can get.

This is exactly what I see, as well. 

Darnold's best case scenario is to somehow eek out 4-6 wins while playing substantially better, lowering our draft position to a point where Lawrence and/or Fields are simply out of the question. 

In that scenario, we do exactly what you wrote - bring in a vet to compete and give Sam one last chance to put it all together in 2021. 

So, what are the chances that this team can win some games down the stretch? 10%? 5%? 1%?  

[Irish Jet]

What happens Darnold will probably be decided where we draft.

If we have #1 he's 100% gone and Lawrence is coming. If we have #2 I'd say 90% - We may not be as high on Fields. If we're at #3 with Lawrence/Fields off the board we could end up in that sh*tty position we've found ourselves in recent drafts where taking the need would be a huge reach. In that case I could see us going with Penei Sewell and trotting Darnold out for another season while we bring in Tyrod Taylor as competition. 

[slimjasi]

7 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Yes he should be looking like John Elway throwing to Josh Malone and Chris Hogan with no Left Tackle and Gase’s inept playcalling 

No, but he has to flash enough to keep us from drafting his replacement. It's really that simple. That includes pulling off some miraculous wins that no one sees coming. 

It's not fair, but it is what it is. He's in his 3rd year. This organization has done an embarrassing job of surrounding him with talent and good coaching. 

 

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, Irish Jet said:

If we're at #3 with Lawrence/Fields off the board we could end up in that sh*tty position we've found ourselves in recent drafts where taking the need would be a huge reach.

Deep down, we all know that this is happening. 

[Beaver]

this hurts me to say it cause I really thought Sam might be the one where the Jets finally get a top QB in the NFL not named Namath.   Unless Sam can turn it around this year, he is gone.   

 

Currently Sam Darnold is a:

• QB who has yet to play a full 16 game season
• QB who is statistically at the bottom of the league all three years
• QB who is getting worse, not better
• QB who has an 11-19 record with 59.8% completion percentage and 39 TDs to 32 INTs

 

[Icer]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Deep down, we all know that this is happening. 

I'm leaning towards the season being derailed by COVID and getting forfeited wins or some kind of lottery system enabled rather than flat out winning games on our own 

[UntouchableCrew]

Just now, slimjasi said:

So, what are the chances that this team can win some games down the stretch? 10%? 5%? 1%?  

I think in any other year I'd take the "pessimistic" approach that we'll win too many games and screw ourselves. We've obviously seen it before -- several times we've won a December game that meant nothing and gone from top three to 6 overall and missed the QB prospect.

But man, I just don't see it. The combination of a lack of talent, Gase's total non-competitiveness, and the tough schedule really make it difficult to find wins.

My honest take is that if we don't fire Gase I don't see any way we go on a winning streak because I don't see anything dramatically changing (culture with Gregg Williams lighting fire under guys, Jim Bob Cooter with play design or play calling.) We can get back a few pieces on offense but it's not like guys like Mims and Perriman are going to revolutionize everything and we don't really have any injuries on defense.

This is the NFL, so 0-16 is unlikely. But getting to three wins right now is hard to do -- if we can't score an upset the next two weeks 0-9 seems virtually guaranteed, which means we'd need to go almost .500 down the stretch to get to 3-13. Broncos at home on short rest vs. Rypien was the easiest game on the whole schedule.