GreekJet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Another young QB bust? QBs drafted high since 2015 Busts Darnold Rosen Winston Mariota Haskins Trubisky Jury Still Out/OK Mayfield Jones Lock Tua Wentz Goff Stud Mahomes Watson Allen Jackson Murray Burrow Herbert 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Seems even other dysfunctional teams know how to fail quickly. Jets #33 out of #32 in organizational fitness. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Haskins sucks but that was never Rivera's guy. He wasn't long for the QB spot there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Add another contender to the Tank for Trevor movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Is Alex Smith gonna start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sonny Werblin Posted October 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Another young QB bust? QBs drafted high since 2015 Busts Darnold Rosen Winston Mariota Haskins Trubisky Jury Still Out/OK Mayfield Jones Lock Tua Wentz Goff Stud Mahomes Watson Allen Jackson Murray Burrow Herbert Burrow and Herbert get to skip Jury Still Out and jump right to Stud? 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I mean, I know I laughed when the Giants picked Daniel Jones over Haskins but I didn't expect Haskins to turn out this poorly. Unfortunately there's still hope for Jones in some capacity (I say unfortunately because I detest the Giants). Testaverde was an interception machine and he turned out pretty okay in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 He's not Rivera's guy and with the lack of talent around him it was obvious this would happen. Allen isn't that good either, so I wouldn't be surprised if Alex Smith regains his starting job soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Although whats worse. Not knowing if you have the guy or not or knowing he is a bust? I'll take the bust. It hurts, but allows you to move on quickly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Burrow and Herbert get to skip Jury Still Out and jump right to Stud? Indeed. Baker would have been considered a stud after four games and Wentz in his second year had a better season than anyone on that list bar Jackson and Mahomes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 He was an awful draft pick from day one. ZERO surprise he has stunk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted October 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2020 Beware of Justin Fields. Beware the Ohio State QB. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 It feels too soon to call darnold a bust. If we replace him and ship him somewhere my gut says he is going to land in that stud category.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Is Alex Smith gonna start? Kyle Allen is starter, Smith is #2. Haskins got bumped to third string. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Maxta_p Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Waaaaay to soon to call Darnold a bust. Lets surround him with an all pro offense, then make our decision. Id give him another 4-5 years honestly. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, bealeb319 said: It feels too soon to call darnold a bust. If we replace him and ship him somewhere my gut says he is going to land in that stud category. How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Lets give the guy 8 years to figure it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Icer said: Add another contender to the Tank for Trevor movement Fortunately, they are both in the worst division in the league and can probably eke at 1-3 wins apiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Benching him is dumb. You're not winning anything, he hasn't even started a full season of games either. His play isn't terrible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, GreekJet said: Another young QB bust? QBs drafted high since 2015 Busts Darnold Rosen Winston Mariota Haskins Trubisky Jury Still Out/OK Mayfield Jones Lock Tua Wentz Goff Stud Mahomes Watson Allen Jackson Murray Burrow Herbert Daniel Jones is crap. OK, with the rest of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, jetophile said: I mean, I know I laughed when the Giants picked Daniel Jones over Haskins but I didn't expect Haskins to turn out this poorly. Unfortunately there's still hope for Jones in some capacity (I say unfortunately because I detest the Giants). Testaverde was an interception machine and he turned out pretty okay in the end. Testaverde is the ultimate "needs moar weaponiz" QB. He's basically a deity to the Darnold Bros. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index3a5c.html?p=5449 (actually an interesting article) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Is Winston a bust? I guess so because he was a 1st overall pick and now he's a back up but if I'm not mistaken, he's the first QB in the NFL history to throw for 4k and 20+ TD's in his first 2 seasons. He threw for 5k and 33 TD's last season. Idk - that doesnt seem bustish. In fact, I wouldnt be upset if the Jets grabbed Winston in the offseason. Who knows, maybe he's learned something behind Brees and maybe bring Pete Carmichael with him. I know one thing for sure, they'll score points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Truth Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. Not very often only one I can think of that was a top 10 pick and than won a ring was Jim Plunkett. Most of these guys get the David Carr effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. Yes but if they’re top ten they’re retained by their teams until they can’t play. There have been quite a few that started with one team got traded around and then finally became successful. Rich Gannon and Jim Plunkett for 2. Drew Brees was traded by the chargers to be replaced by Rivers. Craig Morton took the Broncos to the Super Bowl after being replaced by Staubach on the cowgirls. Right now we are seeing Nick Foles having some success while moving between teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. Jim Plunkett Vinny Testaverde Alex Smith Steve Young (not a top 10 pick, but similar) Ryan Tannehill This new structure where the 5th year option needs to be guaranteed will probably open up the opportunity for a lot more. It seems guys are only getting 2-3 years max these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said: Burrow and Herbert get to skip Jury Still Out and jump right to Stud? If I have learned anything, it is that you do not crown any player until they played two seasons at least. It is crazy how fast things change with these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, playtowinthegame said: Is Alex Smith gonna start? I don't expect that, no. The ex-Carolina JAG Kyle Allan is likely the man now, since he knows Rivera's system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 54 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Daniel Jones is crap. OK, with the rest of it. They are still evaluating him so the jury is still out. Same with Lock and obviously Tua. Mayfield, Wentz, and Goff are middle of the pack guys no more less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/7/2020 at 8:35 PM, jeremy2020 said: How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. You can’t ruin a great QB, only delay him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, jgb said: You can't ruin a great QB, only delay him. 1. I'd agree with this statement 2. Great QBs don't fail with thier first team 3. I didn't say great, just top 10 (draft pick) In short, what I know you're getting at and I agree...Darnold is not a great QB. He may have been good with some help, but that ship has sailed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, jeremy2020 said: 1. I'd agree with this statement 2. Great QBs don't fail with thier first team 3. I didn't say great, just top 10 (draft pick) In short, what I know you're getting at and I agree...Darnold is not a great QB. He may have been good with some help, but that ship has sailed. "Serviceable" is the word that springs to mind if you want to be optimistic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Jim Plunkett Vinny Testaverde Alex Smith Steve Young (not a top 10 pick, but similar) Ryan Tannehill This new structure where the 5th year option needs to be guaranteed will probably open up the opportunity for a lot more. It seems guys are only getting 2-3 years max these days. Tannehill had a problem staying healthy but when healthy he was always an above average starter. If Darnold had Tannehill's 2015 and 2016 in Miami you'd have people here calling him the second coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Jim Plunkett Vinny Testaverde Alex Smith Steve Young (not a top 10 pick, but similar) Ryan Tannehill This new structure where the 5th year option needs to be guaranteed will probably open up the opportunity for a lot more. It seems guys are only getting 2-3 years max these days. This doesn't show what you think it does. That's like less than a 1% success rate. You had to go back to 1971 and 1984. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Blitz Posted October 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, GreekJet said: They are still evaluating him so the jury is still out. Same with Lock and obviously Tua. Mayfield, Wentz, and Goff are middle of the pack guys no more less. Wait, so Jones is still under evaluation but Herbert and Burrow are studs?? Yeah that makes sense... 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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