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Another young QB bust?

QBs drafted high since 2015

Busts

Darnold

Rosen

Winston

Mariota 

Haskins 

Trubisky

Jury Still Out/OK

Mayfield

Jones 

Lock

Tua

Wentz

Goff

Stud

Mahomes

Watson

Allen

Jackson

Murray

Burrow

Herbert

 

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Seems even other dysfunctional teams know how to fail quickly. Jets #33 out of #32 in organizational fitness.

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Add another contender to the Tank for Trevor movement

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I mean, I know I laughed when the Giants picked Daniel Jones over Haskins but I didn't expect Haskins to turn out this poorly.

Unfortunately there's still hope for Jones in some capacity (I say unfortunately because I detest the Giants). Testaverde was an interception machine and he turned out pretty okay in the end.

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He's not Rivera's guy and with the lack of talent around him it was obvious this would happen.

Allen isn't that good either, so I wouldn't be surprised if Alex Smith regains his starting job soon

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Although whats worse.  Not knowing if you have the guy or not or knowing he is a bust?   I'll take the bust.  It hurts, but allows you to move on quickly.

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8 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Burrow and Herbert get to skip Jury Still Out and jump right to Stud?

Indeed.

Baker would have been considered a stud after four games and Wentz in his second year had a better season than anyone on that list bar Jackson and Mahomes.

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He was an awful draft pick from day one.  ZERO surprise he has stunk.

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17 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Is Alex Smith gonna start? 

Kyle Allen is starter, Smith is #2. Haskins got bumped to third string.

 

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Waaaaay to soon to call Darnold a bust. Lets surround him with an all pro offense, then make our decision. Id give him another 4-5 years honestly.

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1 hour ago, bealeb319 said:

It feels too soon to call darnold a bust. If we replace him and ship him somewhere my gut says he is going to land in that stud category.

How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. 

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Lets give the guy 8 years to figure it out!

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1 hour ago, Icer said:

Add another contender to the Tank for Trevor movement

Fortunately, they are both in the worst division in the league and can probably eke at 1-3 wins apiece.

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Benching him is dumb.

You're not winning anything, he hasn't even started a full season of games either. His play isn't terrible. 

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3 hours ago, GreekJet said:

Another young QB bust?

QBs drafted high since 2015

Busts

Darnold

Rosen

Winston

Mariota 

Haskins 

Trubisky

Jury Still Out/OK

Mayfield

Jones 

Lock

Tua

Wentz

Goff

Stud

Mahomes

Watson

Allen

Jackson

Murray

Burrow

Herbert

 

Daniel Jones is crap. OK, with the rest of it.

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2 hours ago, jetophile said:

I mean, I know I laughed when the Giants picked Daniel Jones over Haskins but I didn't expect Haskins to turn out this poorly.

Unfortunately there's still hope for Jones in some capacity (I say unfortunately because I detest the Giants). Testaverde was an interception machine and he turned out pretty okay in the end.

Testaverde is the ultimate "needs moar weaponiz" QB. He's basically a deity to the Darnold Bros.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index3a5c.html?p=5449 

(actually an interesting article)

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Is Winston a bust?  I guess so because he was a 1st overall pick and now he's a back up but if I'm not mistaken, he's the first QB in the NFL history to throw for 4k and 20+ TD's in his first 2 seasons.  He threw for 5k and 33 TD's last season.

Idk - that doesnt seem bustish.  In fact, I wouldnt be upset if the Jets grabbed Winston in the offseason. Who knows, maybe he's learned something behind Brees and maybe bring Pete Carmichael with him.  I know one thing for sure, they'll score points. 

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1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. 

Not very often only one I can think of that was a top 10 pick and than won a ring was Jim Plunkett. 

Most of these guys get the David Carr effect.

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1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. 

Yes but if they’re top ten they’re retained by their teams until they can’t play. There have been quite a few that started with one team got traded around and then finally became successful. Rich Gannon and Jim Plunkett for 2. Drew Brees was traded by the chargers to be replaced by Rivers. Craig Morton took the Broncos to the Super Bowl after being replaced by Staubach on the cowgirls. Right now we are seeing Nick Foles having some success while moving between teams.

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2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. 

Jim Plunkett

Vinny Testaverde

Alex Smith

Steve Young (not a top 10 pick, but similar) 

Ryan Tannehill

This new structure where the 5th year option needs to be guaranteed will probably open up the opportunity for a lot more. It seems guys are only getting 2-3 years max these days. 

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3 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Burrow and Herbert get to skip Jury Still Out and jump right to Stud?

If I have learned anything, it is that you do not crown any player until they played two seasons at least. It is crazy how fast things change with these guys. 

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3 hours ago, playtowinthegame said:

Is Alex Smith gonna start? 

I don't expect that, no.

The ex-Carolina JAG Kyle Allan is likely the man now, since he knows Rivera's system.

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54 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Daniel Jones is crap. OK, with the rest of it.

They are still evaluating him so the jury is still out. Same with Lock and obviously Tua. 
 

Mayfield, Wentz, and Goff are middle of the pack guys no more less.

 

 

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On 10/7/2020 at 8:35 PM, jeremy2020 said:

How often has a top 10 QB that failed with one team gone to another and succeeded? Once they're ruined, they're done. 

You can’t ruin a great QB, only delay him.

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4 minutes ago, jgb said:

You can't ruin a great QB, only delay him.

1. I'd agree with this statement

2. Great QBs don't fail with thier first team

3. I didn't say great, just top 10 (draft pick)

In short, what I know you're getting at and I agree...Darnold is not a great QB. He may have been good with some help, but that ship has sailed. 

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Just now, jeremy2020 said:

1. I'd agree with this statement

2. Great QBs don't fail with thier first team

3. I didn't say great, just top 10 (draft pick)

In short, what I know you're getting at and I agree...Darnold is not a great QB. He may have been good with some help, but that ship has sailed. 

"Serviceable" is the word that springs to mind if you want to be optimistic.

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16 minutes ago, GreekJet said:

Jim Plunkett

Vinny Testaverde

Alex Smith

Steve Young (not a top 10 pick, but similar) 

Ryan Tannehill

This new structure where the 5th year option needs to be guaranteed will probably open up the opportunity for a lot more. It seems guys are only getting 2-3 years max these days. 

Tannehill had a problem staying healthy but when healthy he was always an above average starter.

If Darnold had Tannehill's 2015 and 2016 in Miami you'd have people here calling him the second coming.

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16 minutes ago, GreekJet said:

Jim Plunkett

Vinny Testaverde

Alex Smith

Steve Young (not a top 10 pick, but similar) 

Ryan Tannehill

This new structure where the 5th year option needs to be guaranteed will probably open up the opportunity for a lot more. It seems guys are only getting 2-3 years max these days. 

This doesn't show what you think it does. That's like less than a 1% success rate. You had to go back to 1971 and 1984. 

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