GreekJet Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Free Agents/Trades Bradley MacDougald-48 Pierre Desir-56.7 Connor McGovern-44.2 GVR-55.7 Josh Anderws-53.7 George Fant-64.5 Brian Poole-73.6 Alex Lewis-69 Jordan Jenkins-60.9 Frank Gore-62.7 Breshad Perriman-56.3 Chris Hogan-55.7 Draft Picks Mehki Becton-72.6 Ashtyn Davis-43.7 LaMichael Perine-53.7 Former Jets Robby Anderson-74.5 Jamal Adams-68 Kelvin Beachum-65.7 Kelechi Osemele-60.6 Brandon Shell-63.6 Brian Winters-46.9 Daryl Roberts-58.1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, GreekJet said: Free Agents/Trades Bradley MacDougald-48 Pierre Desir-56.7 Connor McGovern-44.2 Josh Anderws-53.7 George Fant-64.5 Brian Poole-73.6 Alex Lewis-69 Jordan Jenkins-60.9 Breshad Perriman-56.3 Chris Hogan-55.7 Draft Picks Mehki Becton-72.6 Ashtyn Davis-43.7 LaMichael Perine-53.7 Former Jets Robby Anderson-74.5 Jamal Adams-68 Kelvin Beachum-65.7 Kelechi Osemele-60.6 Brian Winters-46.9 Daryl Roberts-58.1 I love PFF but I’m far more interested in these grades after 16, 32 games. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Jamal Adams-68 Kelvin Beachum-65.7 Kelechi Osemele-60.6 Brian Winters-46.9 Daryl Roberts-58.1 Damn. Killing it out there 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 People got mad at during the offseaon when i said all Those Oline signings where all jags. Now there seeing it and are shocked. McGovern needs to moved to guard next year and find a real Center for TL. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Scoop24 said: People got mad at during the offseaon when i said all Those Oline signings where all jags. Now there seeing it and are shocked. McGovern needs to moved to guard next year and find a real Center for TL. If there is one position that Jets fans have been spoiled with consistently for years it's Center. Rasmussen (well, Guard), Joe Fields, Jim Sweeney, Joe Klecko, Kevin Mawae, Nick Mangold, that's a pretty solid run and they all had lengthy careers. I wonder how that happened. Anyway, agreed about Center. It's oddly something that the Jets have done right by and large, which is really probably by accident somehow. : / 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 so Fant and Beachum are basically the same. Lewis better than Winters and Osemele. Becton a stud. need a McGovern to step it up - and get another guard. go balls to the wall for Thuney. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I don't put much into pff numbers but it's troubling that Darryl Roberts is playing better football than perriman and desir Damn. Killing it out thereSent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Fant is making like 8 million dollars more than beachum They both wore that c patch so Fant and Beachum are basically the same. Lewis better than Winters and Osemele. Becton a stud. need a McGovern to step it up - and get another guard. go balls to the wall for Thuney.Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Former Jets Jamal Adams-68 So per PFF, Douglas traded away a borderline "starting caliber safety" for 2 first round picks? Sounds like GM of the year material. Thanks for sharing! 6 1 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 38 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Free Agents/Trades Bradley MacDougald-48 Pierre Desir-56.7 Connor McGovern-44.2 GVR-55.7 Josh Anderws-53.7 George Fant-64.5 Brian Poole-73.6 Alex Lewis-69 Jordan Jenkins-60.9 Frank Gore-62.7 Breshad Perriman-56.3 Chris Hogan-55.7 Draft Picks Mehki Becton-72.6 Ashtyn Davis-43.7 LaMichael Perine-53.7 Former Jets Robby Anderson-74.5 Jamal Adams-68 Kelvin Beachum-65.7 Kelechi Osemele-60.6 Brian Winters-46.9 Daryl Roberts-58.1 PFF is stupid but yeah, this isnt shocking. JD has been a disaster thus far. Outside of Becton, has he added a single player that brings any value to this team or has any future? The answer is no and that pretty bad considering he took over one of the worst/ if not the worst rosters in the league. It's hard to imagine being that incompetent but here we are! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, JiF said: PFF is stupid but yeah, this isnt shocking. JD has been a disaster thus far. Outside of Becton, has he added a single player that brings any value to this team or has any future? The answer is no and that pretty bad considering he took over one of the worst/ if not the worst rosters in the league. It's hard to imagine being that incompetent but here we are! not to sound like a "rookie" or JD apologist but I refuse to believe Ashtyn Davis at 45 or whatever is a total failure based on these 4 games these guys need time in the program guys like GVR at 30 years old aren't getting better and aren't better than who they replaced yeah sure ok 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 The product on the field is grade enough: JD gets an F till he proves otherwise. I don't need PFF to tell me that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 So if I'm reading that right...Becton > Beachum, Lewis > Osemele, and Van Roten > Winters. No Shell or Harrison for comparison but looks like the line has several upgrades. Corner and wide receiver have been a disaster. We'll never know what price it would have taken to get Anderson back but if it was something like 2/$24 they absolutely should have done it. I'll take two first round picks over Adams at a 68. Some good, some bad. Need draft picks to get healthy to more adequately judge. He's clearly trying to build through the draft and if they landed Becton and a punter this is a rich man's John Idzik situation. If guys like Mims, Zuniga, and Clark show up it's a different story. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kdels62 Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, JiF said: PFF is stupid but yeah, this isnt shocking. JD has been a disaster thus far. Outside of Becton, has he added a single player that brings any value to this team or has any future? The answer is no and that pretty bad considering he took over one of the worst/ if not the worst rosters in the league. It's hard to imagine being that incompetent but here we are! John Franklin-Meyers: 82.8 Bryce Huff: 66.1 Lawrence Cager: 62.5 Braxton Berrios: 66.7 Those are nice pieces. Also Ashtyn Davis’s grade is based on 13 snaps. So let’s chill a bit. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, bitonti said: I don't put much into pff numbers but it's troubling that Darryl Roberts is playing better football than perriman and desir Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Perriman got hot for a couple games last season facing bad defenses like the Lions Don’t get me wrong I supported signing him but I also wanted to resign Robby and/or trade Adams earlier with the cowboys to get Lamb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, derp said: So if I'm reading that right...Becton > Beachum, Lewis > Osemele, and Van Roten > Winters. No Shell or Harrison for comparison but looks like the line has several upgrades. Corner and wide receiver have been a disaster. We'll never know what price it would have taken to get Anderson back but if it was something like 2/$24 they absolutely should have done it. I'll take two first round picks over Adams at a 68. Some good, some bad. Need draft picks to get healthy to more adequately judge. He's clearly trying to build through the draft and if they landed Becton and a punter this is a rich man's John Idzik situation. If guys like Mims, Zuniga, and Clark show up it's a different story. Brandon Shell: 63.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Some of these grades are near worthless with the small sample size 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 In every team sport (except baseball), your performance is reliant on teammates. Was Scottie Pippen a better player with or without Michael Jordan? How great of a QB would Troy Aikman have been without an O line that had 4 of the greatest O lineman in the history of the franchise, Emmet Smith and Michael Irvin? Gretzky was the best of all time and probably would still be without his Oiler teammates, but how many cups does he win without Messier, Coffey, Kurri, Anderson, McSorely, and Semenko. Of course the guys that left the Jets are performing better on teams with more talented players around them and new players to the jets are suffering from playing on a less talented team. Very few positions in the NFL allow a stand alone evaluation. The only thing we know for sure is the O line is overall crap and the D front 7 cannot pressure the QB, and without these two things, any team is lost. And you can only build a D front 7 and O line through the draft. IMO, The Jets O line is quality C and G away from being above average, and the D front 7 is an OLB and ILB away from being able to consistently pressure the QB. The O skill players and DBs can't really be evaluated until the Jets have an O line that can open holes in the run game and protect the QB consistently, and a D front 7 that can pressure the QB. Once those two things are in place, then we'll know how good (or bad) the O skill players and Defensive Backs are. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I’m shook the worst team in the nfl has bad players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohhthepain Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 McGovern needs to be back at guard and we need to draft IOL with that Seattle pick this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, bitonti said: not to sound like a "rookie" or JD apologist but I refuse to believe Ashtyn Davis at 45 or whatever is a total failure based on these 4 games these guys need time in the program guys like GVR at 30 years old aren't getting better and aren't better than who they replaced yeah sure ok Yeah, sorry, if you cant get snaps on this team, you're garbage. The likelihood of Ashtyn Davis being anything more than his beautiful hurdle fumble is slim to none. He's played on 4% of the defensive snaps on arguably the least talented defense in the league. Meanwhile, Brandon Jones the Safety for Miami taken 2 picks after Ashtyn Davis has played 67% of the snaps. Davis barely plays specials, 26% of the ST snaps. Hopefully Mims doesnt suck when/if he ever decides to play Football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, JiF said: Yeah, sorry, if you cant get snaps on this team, you're garbage. The likelihood of Ashtyn Davis being anything more than his beautiful hurdle fumble is slim to none. He's played on 4% of the defensive snaps on arguably the least talented defense in the league. Meanwhile, Brandon Jones the Safety for Miai taken 2 picks after Ashytn Davis has played 67% of the snaps. Davis barely plays specials, 26% of the ST snaps. Hopefully Mims doesnt suck when/if he ever decides to play Football. I have to wonder about the coaching, though. This coaching staff is a disaster and they are desperate to save their jobs. Playing veterans over green rookie's is something coaches in that situation do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, kdels62 said: John Franklin-Meyers: 82.8 Bryce Huff: 66.1 Lawrence Cager: 62.5 Braxton Berrios: 66.7 Those are nice pieces. Also Ashtyn Davis’s grade is based on 13 snaps. So let’s chill a bit. You're kidding, right? lol You feel good at these positions with those guys? Like, your set, dont need to upgrade WR/Pass Rush/DL? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 55 minutes ago, Warfish said: The product on the field is grade enough: JD gets an F till he proves otherwise. I don't need PFF to tell me that. Would you clean house if the choice was yours? Start completely over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I'm generally OK with the OL moves Douglas made. He basically had to find 4 new starters in a single off-season, that's pretty hard to do. Guys like GVR and Fant are essentially 1-year rentals who will be replaced via the draft next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: I have to wonder about the coaching, though. This coaching staff is a disaster and they are desperate to save their jobs. Playing veterans over green rookie's is something coaches in that situation do. Fair but they played rookies/inexperienced players last year and they do to an extent this year, more than likely, they're just not very good therefore, cant beat out said veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, JiF said: Yeah, sorry, if you cant get snaps on this team, you're garbage. The likelihood of Ashtyn Davis being anything more than his beautiful hurdle fumble is slim to none. He's played on 4% of the defensive snaps on arguably the least talented defense in the league. Meanwhile, Brandon Jones the Safety for Miami taken 2 picks after Ashtyn Davis has played 67% of the snaps. Davis barely plays specials, 26% of the ST snaps. Hopefully Mims doesnt suck when/if he ever decides to play Football. look at the politics ahead of him Gregg WIlliams has a mandate to prove Maye = 33 and McDougald is literally the replacement he's going to have to wait until one of them gets injured to play but he's better than the butt hurdle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Would you clean house if the choice was yours? Start completely over. I know you're not asking me but what exactly are you building on here? There are no players are signed beyond 2021 and every single player on the team needs to be upgraded outside of LT. Literally, every single position on the team needs to be flipped over in the next 2 years. There is no starting over, they havent left the starting line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, GreekJet said: Jamal Adams-68 Noticing a lot of people who rely on PFF to trash Douglas’ signings are casually overlooking this glaring tidbit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, JiF said: Fair but they played rookies/inexperienced players last year and they do to an extent this year, more than likely, they're just not very good therefore, cant beat out said veteran. Sure, but I still want to give everyone in this rookie class more than 4 games to get on the field and contribute. Andy Reid let Mahomes sit on the bench until week 17 of his rookie year before letting him start a game. These guys still have a lot of time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, JiF said: I know you're not asking me but what exactly are you building on here? There are no players are signed beyond 2021 and every single player on the team needs to be upgraded outside of LT. Literally, every single position on the team needs to be flipped over in the next 2 years. There is no starting over, they havent left the starting line. I meant fire both the coach and GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Noticing a lot of people who rely on PFF to trash Douglas’ signings are casually overlooking this glaring tidbit. Would be better if it was 69. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I thought McDougald would at least be serviceable but he looks terrible to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, JiF said: You're kidding, right? lol You feel good at this positions with those guys? Like, your set, dont need to upgrade WR/Pass Rush/DL? You’re @Verbal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 FIND A #@$$#$%%$^$&^&%*^*&*(% CENTER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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