Only one Thing That Might be Holding Quinnen Williams Back and There’s Nothing he can do About it

[JetNation]

When the Jets took defensive lineman Quinnen Williams with the third overall pick in the 2019 NFL draft, there were lofty expectations from both fans and media in terms of what should be expected from the Alabama product.  After all, the Jets passed on a couple of edge rushers to snag Williams after years of not being able to get to the quarterback.

How has that worked out so far?  After picking up just 2.5 sacks in 13 games as a rookie, Williams has 2 sacks in four games in year two.  Why isn’t Williams producing more?  The answer could be a very simple one and one that he has no control over; playing time.

Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams rotates his defensive linemen so heavily that Williams has played 70% the Jets’ defensive snaps just twice through his first 17 games as a pro.  According to pro football focus, Williams currently ranks 28th in the NFL in total snaps among interior linemen.

Williams’ snap counts have varied heavily this year, from just 57% in week 1, to a season best 71% last week.  Against the Colts in week 3, Williams played 58% of the snaps and spent some of those dropping back in zone coverage in passing situations against the Colts tight ends.  That didn’t work out so well.

There is no reason why Quinnen Williams shouldn't be on the field at least 80% of the time. However, his breakdown from weeks 1-4.

Week 1: 57%
Week 2: 66%
Week 3: 58%
Week 4: 71%

Gregg Williams was a nice story in 2019. This is 2020. His defense has been horrible.

— Glenn Naughton (@AceFan23) October 5, 2020

So while those who are putting up big numbers are seeing the field significantly more than Williams, the second-year player will have to continue trying to impact the game with a surprisingly low number of opportunities.  And while the sacks aren’t exactly piling up at this point, we’re still seeing instances on film in which Williams is forcing errant throws or plays with opposing linemen having to keep their QB upright.

Completed pass here from Rypien that's made possible by the C and LG each wrapping an arm around Quinnen Williams to hold him once they know he has the double team beat. Instead of a QW sack, it's first down Denver. pic.twitter.com/KblzZI65Mb

— Glenn Naughton (@AceFan23) October 8, 2020

Williams can watch film to prepare, he can pick up the nuances from Steve McLendon, he can drop fat and add muscle, he can give high effort on every play, but the one thing he can’t do is decide how many snaps he plays.  That’s up to the coaching staff, and as this team continues to fail to get to the quarterback, one has to wonder exactly what they’re waiting for.  At this point, start taking reps from the ineffective Henry Anderson and give the young cornerstone a chance to grow, learn and produce.

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[AFJF]

Unacceptable snap counts for an ascending young player.  Take reps away from Henry Anderson and give them to the kid.

[Beerfish]

He simply is not that good, actually he might be that good but he does not bring it every game.

The one thing coaches can do to really help a guy be more impactful and I'm not sure williams does this or not, is to move the player all over the Dline, create mismatches and find the other teams weak link on the oline.

[slimjasi]

He looked good to me on Thursday night (yes, I know he had the killer penalty) and very good in the SF game. 

More of him, please. 

[The Crusher]

“ Unleash the Quinnen” 

[CTM]

Give baby Huey a chance 

[Jetty]

I still cant believe Macagnan drafted another DT smfh

[SR24]

He’s the #3 pick ffs play him 

[Maxman]

I think he has shown great improvement this year and I agree with the premise here. I am getting used to watching on TV, in person at the stadium I am always checking to see the packages (hey now). But this year I keep saying, where is Q? Shocking that he is on the sidelines as much as he has been.

[AFJF]

10 minutes ago, Maxman said:

I think he has shown great improvement this year and I agree with the premise here. I am getting used to watching on TV, in person at the stadium I am always checking to see the packages (hey now). But this year I keep saying, where is Q? Shocking that he is on the sidelines as much as he has been.

Inexcusable.

[JustEndTheSuffering]

There actually is something he can do about it: Play better in practice, work harder, perform better in games. Just because you're the third pick doesn't mean you should be handed snaps.

[AFJF]

1 hour ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

There actually is something he can do about it: Play better in practice, work harder, perform better in games. Just because you're the third pick doesn't mean you should be handed snaps.

Stop obsessing over box scores.
 

All-22 tells a much different story that’s confirmed by ESPN data.
 

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by AFJF

[Jetsfan80]

37 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Stop obsessing over box scores.
 

All-22 tells a much different story that’s confirmed by ESPN data.
 

 

 

Oh wow some dudes watched tape and determined both Quinnen Williams and Leonard Williams are secretly awesome.

Haven't been hearing that stuff for the last half decade or anything...

[T0mShane]

Maybe Gregg doesn’t play him much because he’s lazy and out of shape.

[JTJet]

Quinnen Williams or not...

What in the hell is it with this franchise and refusing to support/use their young players?

[JustEndTheSuffering]

1 hour ago, AFJF said:

Stop obsessing over box scores.
 

All-22 tells a much different story that’s confirmed by ESPN data.
 

 

I’m not obsessing over box scores at all, I just talked about practice and hard work. Also I think stats and analytics are great but we’re all watching the games and it’s pretty clear that he’s not making an impact. 

[kdels62]

Eh. He’s 28th in the league in snaps for Interior DL. That’s just 15 snaps behind Deforest Buckner. He’s having a nice season and hopefully continues to improve and cut down on his penalties.

[Bleedin Green]

Well one thing he might want to give a try doing himself is not falling on his face nearly every time he beats a blocker.  Even in the 9ers game currently buying him love, multiple of his plays were dependent on the opposing player being within swiping distance of Williams as he was sprawled out on the turf.  He made the plays that day, so can't hold it against him for that, but it's not a sustainable means of success and it's frequency has hurt the Jets far more than worked out for them.

[maury77]

Quinnen has played well this year. Watch the tape. His worse game was against Quinton Nelson, but even against Denver you saw him causing pressure. Even the roughing the passer penalty in the 4th quarter had a bit of bad luck to it. The QBs head was turned around when his hand grazed the facemask.

[Jetsfan80]

28 minutes ago, maury77 said:

Quinnen has played well this year. Watch the tape. His worse game was against Quinton Nelson, but even against Denver you saw him causing pressure. Even the roughing the passer penalty in the 4th quarter had a bit of bad luck to it. The QBs head was turned around when his hand grazed the facemask.

 

No thanks.  Forcing someone to watch Jets tape is tantamount to an 8th Amendment violation.  

[HawkeyeJet]

I think Quinnen has been very good this year. Some people think he's terrible.  I don't think there will ever be a Jets player that everyone agrees on.

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I think Quinnen has been very good this year. Some people think he'd terrible.  I don't think there will ever be a Jets player that everyone agrees on.

It'd be nice if, for once, we had a player that was so undeniably good that everyone wouldn't be able to help but agree on him.  Think any 49ers fans out there dislike Jerry Rice?  Any Giants fans talking sh*t about Lawrence Taylor's onfield performance?  How about a Ravens fan who thinks Ed Reed was overrated?

The only players Jets fans agree on are ones who are undeniably terrible.  Like Christian Hackenberg and Trumaine Johnson.

[HawkeyeJet]

25 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Think any 49ers fans out there dislike Jerry Rice?  Any Giants fans talking sh*t about Lawrence Taylor's onfield performance?  How about a Ravens fan who thinks Ed Reed was overrated?

 

I guarantee you that during their actual playing days, even probably during their prime, every single one of those guys had detractors from their fan base.  Maybe not saying they were bad, but implying they weren't as good as they are made out to be. 

You don't even have to go back that far to see it with the Jets. Revis at his best with the Jets that 3-4 years is as good of individual football this franchise has ever seen and I recall people calling him overrated, doesn't cause turnovers etc.  Forget the money part,I get that's different. I recall people devaluing Revis the player.

[joewilly12]

Some players are better college football players than they are NFL players. 

[Sonny Werblin]

Isn't this when the HC is supposed to step in and order the DC to play Q more?

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I think Quinnen has been very good this year. Some people think he's terrible.  I don't think there will ever be a Jets player that everyone agrees on.

There are a lot of people here who would rather QW be a turnstile on run defense and not get near the QB 95% of the time....as long he gets 10 sacks.  A sack total is like a flag some people are dying to wave for some reason.

[Gastineau Lives]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Maybe Gregg doesn’t play him much because he’s lazy and out of shape.

Guys sixty two years old what the **** do you want from him?

[Jetsfan80]

17 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

There are a lot of people here who would rather QW be a turnstile on run defense and not get near the QB 95% of the time....as long he gets 10 sacks.  A sack total is like a flag some people are dying to wave for some reason.

If a DT is a true disruptor, it should be rather obvious.  I get tired of people, year after year, screaming about how our DT's are secretly good but not actually see it play out in a tangible way on the field.

Yes, sacks would  be nice.  But he doesn't even get those.  He has 4.5 in 17 games.  And he also only has 5 QB Hurries, 4 QB Knockdowns, 14 QB Pressures and 7 TFLs in 17 games.  Those aren't good numbers, either.

By comparison, in his last 16 games, Chris Jones has racked up 12.5 Sacks, 14 QB Hurries, 13 QB Knockdowns, 40 QB Pressures and 8 TFLs.   In his 2nd season in the league he had 6.5 Sacks, 4 Forced Fumbles and 13 QB Hits.

Grady Jarrett had 7.5 Sacks, 10 QB Hurries, 8 QB Knockdowns, 26 QB Pressures and 12 TFLs last season.  

Aaron Donald had 12.5 Sacks, 32 QB Hurries, 9 QB Knockdowns, 55 QB Pressures and 20 TFLs last season.  In his 2nd season in the league, he had 11 Sacks, 37 QB Hits and 22 TFLs.

THAT is what "disruption" actually looks like on the stat sheet.  Quinnen Williams isn't it.  

[joewilly12]

QW joins the long list of DT's drafted in the first round by the NY Jets that are underachiever's/busts. 

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

If a DT is a true disruptor, it should be rather obvious.  I get tired of people, year after year, screaming about how our DT's are secretly good but not actually see it play out in a tangible way on the field.

Yes, sacks would  be nice.  But he doesn't even get those.  He has 4.5 in 17 games.  And he also only has 5 QB Hurries, 4 QB Knockdowns, 14 QB Pressures and 7 TFLs in 17 games.  Those aren't good numbers, either.

By comparison, in his last 16 games, Chris Jones has racked up 12.5 Sacks, 14 QB Hurries, 13 QB Knockdowns, 40 QB Pressures and 8 TFLs.   In his 2nd season in the league he had 6.5 Sacks, 4 Forced Fumbles and 13 QB Hits.

Grady Jarrett had 7.5 Sacks, 10 QB Hurries, 8 QB Knockdowns, 26 QB Pressures and 12 TFLs last season.  

Aaron Donald had 12.5 Sacks, 32 QB Hurries, 9 QB Knockdowns, 55 QB Pressures and 20 TFLs last season.  In his 2nd season in the league, he had 11 Sacks, 37 QB Hits and 22 TFLs.

THAT is what "disruption" actually looks like on the stat sheet.  Quinnen Williams isn't it.  

Was Leo it?

What do these GMs (Gettleman now) see in these guys that make them worth a franchise tag?  These "secret observations" that fans can't see for some reason propel GMs into drafting guys like Williams and Williams in the Top 5, trading for them, franchise tagging them, etc.

[More Cowbell]

It's actually scary that Williams is dropping into coverage. He should be trying to collapse the pocket on every play. 

[jetophile]

7 hours ago, The Crusher said:

“ Unleash the Quinnen” 

You know what I say to that? I'll tell you what I say to that. "Unleash the Crack". No, not the butt crack, the crack, the street drug. No Krakens just plain old crack. Who needs some crack? I'm not sellin', I'm buyin'. I need some crack do I ever need some crack because Jets and Jets and crack go together like Jets and crack. Unleash the crack. I need some.

[Hael]

Despite his career day against SFs backup center, PFF gives him a 67 avg for the season, which is more or less exactly where he was last year.   That’s 46th of 117 interior defenders.  So he’s currently a good DT2.  Thats ok, but still far from what you would expect.  I think that rating is fair, given what I’ve seen in film.

He has a few glaring technique problems.  He has a bad tendency to get baited, so his gap discipline is poor, and that’s led to some pretty large holes in the run game.  One on one, he does ok with his bull rush move, but like Leo he fails to disengage, which makes him more of a disruptor than a sack specialist.  I’ve also seen him give up on plays a lot, which he could have run down, which raises motor concerns.  Finally I get the feeling his conditioning is problematic, bc he tends to get pushed around badly after a few series (you can see why he’s rotated) and he always seems winded on the sidelines.  So he’s more of a 1st and 3rd quarter player.

Work in progress.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

Was Leo it?

What do these GMs (Gettleman now) see in these guys that make them worth a franchise tag?  These "secret observations" that fans can't see for some reason propel GMs into drafting guys like Williams and Williams in the Top 5, trading for them, franchise tagging them, etc.

Williams blows, and Gettleman is the worst GM in the league.  What's your point?

[Bleedin Green]

3 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Was Leo it?

What do these GMs (Gettleman now) see in these guys that make them worth a franchise tag?  These "secret observations" that fans can't see for some reason propel GMs into drafting guys like Williams and Williams in the Top 5, trading for them, franchise tagging them, etc.

If the decision-making of Maccagnan and Gettleman is your basis for actually evaluating anything at all, I've got some really bad news for you...