Popular Post BCJet Posted October 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2020 Something to watch for today that is a Gase staple and which makes virtually no sense in today's NFL. His philosophy is to try to get the offense into manageable 3rd downs, which is why we run more then most teams on 2nd and long. He basically want to take 2nd and 8 and get it to 3rd and 4, (so we can then run a 3 yard screen) rather then simply try to get the first down by throwing on second and long. Its also a trend which teams expect which is why we have run the ball so well on first but not so well on second down. I do think the offense will appear to run more smoothly today with Flacco getting the ball out quickly but wanted to mention this as something to watch today. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post greenwichjetfan Posted October 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2020 34 minutes ago, BCJet said: Something to watch for today that is a Gase staple and which makes virtually no sense in today's NFL. His philosophy is to try to get the offense into manageable 3rd downs, which is why we run more then most teams on 2nd and long. He basically want to take 2nd and 8 and get it to 3rd and 4, (so we can then run a 3 yard screen) rather then simply try to get the first down by throwing on second and long. Its also a trend which teams expect which is why we have run the ball so well on first but not so well on second down. I do think the offense will appear to run more smoothly today with Flacco getting the ball out quickly but wanted to mention this as something to watch today. Gase’s entire offensive philosophy is to play for easy third downs to increase probabilities of conversion. The entire rest of the league’s offensive philosophy is to never make it to third down. 11 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: Gase’s entire offensive philosophy is to play for easy third downs to increase probabilities of conversion. The entire rest of the league’s offensive philosophy is to never make it to third down. Add in the part where he wants a 3rd and 4 so he can have the QB throw it 2-3 yards with no blockers leading the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Great post. This has been a pet peeve of minefor years. Under Rex, Bowles and Gase. Goal of our offense has been 3rd and manageable. Good teams actually try to avoid 3rd down by making big plays on first and second down. We need 12-15 play drives with 3 or 4 third down conversions to score points. Hard to do that more than one or two times per game. We are 3rd in the league in plays run on 3rd down, but 26th in the league in total offensive plays run. We need an offense that avoids 3rd downs, not one that plays for it. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, Lith said: We are 3rd in the league in plays run on 3rd down, but 26th in the league in total offensive plays run. We need an offense that avoids 3rd downs, not one that plays for it. It's the antheses of everything Gase holds dear. No one has told him that like usually, you get at least 1 of these per drive...you don't have to hold up getting there as a goal. Gase most sacred things in life: 1. Getting to 3rd down at least once per drive 2. That jockstrap he snuck away from Peyton Manning when he wasn't looking 3. Excuses 4. Richard Simmons workout VHS tape (alas, Gase does not own a VHA player, but is actively looking for one) 5. Talking about how he left his wife in delivery room to come up with the good plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Who is going to chart it ? Let’s see exactly what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I swear to GOD I keep reading this as "mangleable" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulyjet Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 hours ago, BCJet said: Something to watch for today that is a Gase staple and which makes virtually no sense in today's NFL. His philosophy is to try to get the offense into manageable 3rd downs, which is why we run more then most teams on 2nd and long. He basically want to take 2nd and 8 and get it to 3rd and 4, (so we can then run a 3 yard screen) rather then simply try to get the first down by throwing on second and long. Its also a trend which teams expect which is why we have run the ball so well on first but not so well on second down. I do think the offense will appear to run more smoothly today with Flacco getting the ball out quickly but wanted to mention this as something to watch today. Been saying that when he said "we get into 3rd and manageable fine" (or something like that) I knew why the offense suck so much. He needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 There are no plays for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 hours ago, BCJet said: Something to watch for today that is a Gase staple and which makes virtually no sense in today's NFL. His philosophy is to try to get the offense into manageable 3rd downs, which is why we run more then most teams on 2nd and long. He basically want to take 2nd and 8 and get it to 3rd and 4, (so we can then run a 3 yard screen) rather then simply try to get the first down by throwing on second and long. Its also a trend which teams expect which is why we have run the ball so well on first but not so well on second down. I do think the offense will appear to run more smoothly today with Flacco getting the ball out quickly but wanted to mention this as something to watch today. I understand the concerns about protection, guys getting open farther than 8 yards down the field and the QB completing the pass....but he's just way too conservative and predictable with those kinds of play calls in attempting to mitigate those three concerns I mentioned. Questions... 1. Why not more play action on those 2nd and 7's? If Gase has become predictable here then a little play action would open up something like a slant or short hook pattern to a TE if LBs are moving towards the LOS to stop the run. 2. How much are the Jets using analytics in determining any of these play calls? Do they have a bank of data showing them that despite the results the probability of achieving a 1st down is still highest by getting to 3rd and manageable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said: I swear to GOD I keep reading this as "mangleable" our offense should be mangled, preferably in a wood chipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, AFJF said: Add in the part where he wants a 3rd and 4 so he can have the QB throw it 2-3 yards with no blockers leading the way. Yeah when he can convert a "3rd and manageable" I will get on board with his running on 2nd and anything philosphy. What a ******* jackass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 hours ago, BCJet said: Something to watch for today that is a Gase staple and which makes virtually no sense in today's NFL. His philosophy is to try to get the offense into manageable 3rd downs, which is why we run more then most teams on 2nd and long. He basically want to take 2nd and 8 and get it to 3rd and 4, (so we can then run a 3 yard screen) rather then simply try to get the first down by throwing on second and long. Its also a trend which teams expect which is why we have run the ball so well on first but not so well on second down. I do think the offense will appear to run more smoothly today with Flacco getting the ball out quickly but wanted to mention this as something to watch today. Like you said you should throw much more on 2nd down especially 2nd and long. Sometimes you run there as a changeup, but I agree most time throwing on 2nd and log is best even if it is a 4-5 yard pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 34 minutes ago, Beerfish said: our offense should be mangled, preferably in a wood chipper Channeling John Mckay lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 hours ago, BCJet said: Something to watch for today that is a Gase staple and which makes virtually no sense in today's NFL. His philosophy is to try to get the offense into manageable 3rd downs, which is why we run more then most teams on 2nd and long. He basically want to take 2nd and 8 and get it to 3rd and 4, (so we can then run a 3 yard screen) rather then simply try to get the first down by throwing on second and long. Its also a trend which teams expect which is why we have run the ball so well on first but not so well on second down. I do think the offense will appear to run more smoothly today with Flacco getting the ball out quickly but wanted to mention this as something to watch today. Could you please include score and starting field position with each drive? curious if he reacts to that also mark the end of the first 20 play script Txs for doing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Larz said: Could you please include score and starting field position with each drive? curious if he reacts to that also mark the end of the first 20 play script Txs for doing this Just to avoid any confusion, Im not planning on officially charting anything. I just wanted to put this out there so people watch for it because when you are looking for it, its even more mind boggling then reading about it on wednesday after the game. This philosophy is why Gase is simply a play designer and not play caller. Anyone can draw up plays (or take plays from Peyton Manning) but its an entirely different skill set to call plays in an actual game, make adjustments to the defense you're playing and in-game and have a feel for the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, Drums said: Yeah when he can convert a "3rd and manageable" I will get on board with his running on 2nd and anything philosphy. What a ******* jackass. Those endless pointless Gore runs up the middle on 2nd and long BRILLIANCE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larz Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Missed opportunity oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Gase continued to do this as usual yesterday. Makes absolutely no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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