Big Decisions On The Horizon

[BettyBoop]

The Gaze error will end soon.  For most of us, it won't be soon enough, but it is what it is.  That's when the fun starts.  Every JN poster, except one, knows what's at stake with this uber critical decision.  And for the sake of the franchise we can only hope that Christopher Johnson allows Douglas to lead the search.  In addition, we can only hope that whomever Douglas picks to team up with, Johnson stays the hell away from the critical QB decision.  Whatever the GM/coach decide, Johnson better not interfere for the sake of ticket sales.  We will know in six to eight months time if there is any hope for this organization.

 

[JiFtheOracle]

I dont know man, Adam Gase hired Joe Douglas, he might give him next season too.  

[Jet_Engine1]

Every moment Gase is the HC of the NYJ is damaging to the brand, its reputation, and most specifically,  to Darnold (and his possible value). 

 

It is an ongoing embarrassment and failure that gets exponentially worse by the day. 

[Jetster]

18 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Every moment Gase is the HC of the NYJ is damaging to the brand, its reputation, and most specifically,  to Darnold (and his possible value). 

 

It is an ongoing embarrassment and failure that gets exponentially worse by the day. 

Sorry, it can't get worse than what it is just 5 games into this season. This is truly that nadir, we weren't even competitive in 5 games now. We gave up almost 80 points to 2nd & 3rd string QBs. That has to be another NY Jet record! 

[Jet_Engine1]

1 minute ago, Jetster said:

Sorry, it can't get worse than what it is just 5 games into this season. This is truly that nadir, we weren't even competitive in 5 games now. We gave up almost 80 points to 2nd & 3rd string QBs. That has to be another NY Jet record! 

Perrine gets 0 carries yesterday,  52 year old Frank Gore is being used as a workhorse by an 0-5 team. 

 

We are unable to evaluate young players properly because the Offensive "system" is incoherent and absurd, and Gase refuses to play younger players for inexplicable reasons.  

 

Where is Mims? Cameron Clark?

 

Gase has now PERSONALLY INJURED Darnold AND Becton by allowing the injured players to play, in an obviously lost season. 

 

The team has clearly quit on the man,  and the man is a punchline. 

 

Shall I go on? Its going to get much, much worse. I wonder when the first sideline fistfight happens? And between whom? Players? Coaches? LOL 

 

 

[rangerous]

i'm no Gase lover but people seem to think that by launching him things will suddenly get better.  the problem with that kind of thinking is the jets have still been decimated by injuries and the depth players just aren't very good.  people also point to the players that left the jets after last season and point to them as some sort of douglas failing.  so osemele is out forever and adams has been missing games.  the only player that left and is doing better is robbie and just about everyone knew the guy had some talent.  he just wasn't worth no. 1 receiver money.  so douglas brings in perriman who has been non existent and drafts mims who is still in the whirlpool.  to top it off, becton is injured.  so until this team does get back to near full strength it's going to be very tough to determine the best course of action.  imo the big question with Gase is whether or not he's lost the team.  Last week, with all the penalties, it almost seemed so.  And i would've liked to see him make a huge stink when johnson body slammed darnold.  but this week they played without penalty and if jeff smith doesn't drop or miss 8 of 11 passes thrown his way or herndon not drop a sure td then maybe he hasn't.

at some point the players need to start looking at the mirror and understand they are playing for their jobs in the future.

[zonajetfan]

6 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Perrine gets 0 carries yesterday,  52 year old Frank Gore is being used as a workhorse by an 0-5 team. 

 

We are unable to evaluate young players properly because the Offensive "system" is incoherent and absurd, and Gase refuses to play younger players for inexplicable reasons.  

 

Where is Mims? Cameron Clark?

 

Gase has now PERSONALLY INJURED Darnold AND Becton by allowing the injured players to play, in an obviously lost season. 

 

The team has clearly quit on the man,  and the man is a punchline. 

 

Shall I go on? Its going to get much, much worse. I wonder when the first sideline fistfight happens? And between whom? Players? Coaches? LOL 

 

 

This is spot on. The Jets need to evaluate what they have EVERYWHERE  now. Clark needs to be out there soon. Hoping Mims is ready soon. Hall as well. Play Huff more. 

Obviously the faster Gase is gone the better. I feel sorry for him honestly, but he is reaping what he sows with his ineptitude. 

 

[rangerous]

17 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Perrine gets 0 carries yesterday,  52 year old Frank Gore is being used as a workhorse by an 0-5 team. 

 

We are unable to evaluate young players properly because the Offensive "system" is incoherent and absurd, and Gase refuses to play younger players for inexplicable reasons.  

 

Where is Mims? Cameron Clark?

 

Gase has now PERSONALLY INJURED Darnold AND Becton by allowing the injured players to play, in an obviously lost season. 

 

The team has clearly quit on the man,  and the man is a punchline. 

 

Shall I go on? Its going to get much, much worse. I wonder when the first sideline fistfight happens? And between whom? Players? Coaches? LOL 

 

 

look, i get the dislike of gase by some people but blaming him for clark or mims is borderline absurd and so is blaming him for darnold and becton's injuries.  becton wasn't in the game long enough after being injured to make it be career threatening and neither was darnold.  i also don't see where the team has quit.  younger players? just who are these old wrs that are being put out there?  just where are the young wrs?  and the reason why perine isn't out there is because he hasn't figured out his role as a rb.  he doesn't pass block very well.  bell is a really good pass blocker as well as being a receiver and ball carrier.  about the only thing i can fault gase and the jets in your post for is not making a stink about how johnson body slammed darnold.

[Jet_Engine1]

6 minutes ago, rangerous said:

look, i get the dislike of gase by some people but blaming him for clark or mims is borderline absurd and so is blaming him for darnold and becton's injuries.  becton wasn't in the game long enough after being injured to make it be career threatening and neither was darnold.  i also don't see where the team has quit.  younger players? just who are these old wrs that are being put out there?  just where are the young wrs?  and the reason why perine isn't out there is because he hasn't figured out his role as a rb.  he doesn't pass block very well.  bell is a really good pass blocker as well as being a receiver and ball carrier.  about the only thing i can fault gase and the jets in your post for is not making a stink about how johnson body slammed darnold.

Gase wanted to trade for Ballage, who LITERALLY HAD NO IDEA WHO TO BLOCK (Getting Darnold hurt, who GASE then put back into the game with a shoulder injury). He then used a Practice Squad player AND Trevor Wesco as a RB on 4th and 1 runs....but Perrine hasn't "figured out" how to play RB?? LOL.

 

Why the **** was Becton dressed when injured and unable to start, and what coach IN HIS RIGHT MIND then decides that a player too hurt to start should go in anyway? LOL. This is Kotite-level bad decision making.

 

And if Bell is such a great pass catcher and RB, why did he only get 1 target  and less carries than Old Man Gore? I'll wait....

 

If you can't see that this team has quit, then I honestly don't know what the **** you've been watching. 

 

Your entire attempt at rebuttal is terrible, incorrect, and kinda sad. 

[BettyBoop]

35 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Sorry, it can't get worse than what it is just 5 games into this season. This is truly that nadir, we weren't even competitive in 5 games now. We gave up almost 80 points to 2nd & 3rd string QBs. That has to be another NY Jet record! 

It seems to get worse every week.

[BettyBoop]

23 minutes ago, rangerous said:

i'm no Gase lover but people seem to think that by launching him things will suddenly get better.  the problem with that kind of thinking is the jets have still been decimated by injuries and the depth players just aren't very good.  people also point to the players that left the jets after last season and point to them as some sort of douglas failing.  so osemele is out forever and adams has been missing games.  the only player that left and is doing better is robbie and just about everyone knew the guy had some talent.  he just wasn't worth no. 1 receiver money.  so douglas brings in perriman who has been non existent and drafts mims who is still in the whirlpool.  to top it off, becton is injured.  so until this team does get back to near full strength it's going to be very tough to determine the best course of action.  imo the big question with Gase is whether or not he's lost the team.  Last week, with all the penalties, it almost seemed so.  And i would've liked to see him make a huge stink when johnson body slammed darnold.  but this week they played without penalty and if jeff smith doesn't drop or miss 8 of 11 passes thrown his way or herndon not drop a sure td then maybe he hasn't.

at some point the players need to start looking at the mirror and understand they are playing for their jobs in the future.

He didn't get anywhere near #1 WR money.

[BettyBoop]

32 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Perrine gets 0 carries yesterday,  52 year old Frank Gore is being used as a workhorse by an 0-5 team. 

 

We are unable to evaluate young players properly because the Offensive "system" is incoherent and absurd, and Gase refuses to play younger players for inexplicable reasons.  

 

Where is Mims? Cameron Clark?

 

Gase has now PERSONALLY INJURED Darnold AND Becton by allowing the injured players to play, in an obviously lost season. 

 

The team has clearly quit on the man,  and the man is a punchline. 

 

Shall I go on? Its going to get much, much worse. I wonder when the first sideline fistfight happens? And between whom? Players? Coaches? LOL 

 

 

This is the biggest indictment of all.

[jgb]

Imagine you’re a GM with the publicly-stayed goal or “building the best culture in sport.” How exactly do you reconcile that with the continued acceptance of historically-poor performance?

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, jgb said:

Imagine your a GM with the publicly-stayed goal or “building the best culture in sport.” How exactly do you reconcile that with the continued acceptance of historically-poor performance?

Correct. 

One of the reasons I am starting to rag on Douglas a bit is because, from everything I have read and heard, I believe he has the power to push Gase out and he hasn't done it yet. 

You can be 0-5 and rebuilding. You can't be 0-5, rebuilding, and completely noncompetitive. It just doesn't work in the NFL. 

[Icer]

The decisions have already been made. Gase is going to coach the season until completion for a myriad of reasons, whether legitimate or not. COVID, lack of assistant coaches, CJ not wanting to fire guys mid-season, etc. 

The best outcome is to hit the reset button at the end of the year with the top pick, jettison Gase and the entire coaching staff and let JD take control of football ops in all aspects. If he fails, then he fails but there's nothing else to be done at this point.

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Correct. 

One of the reasons I am starting to rag on Douglas a bit is because, from everything I have read and heard, I believe he has the power to push Gase out and he hasn't done it yet. 

You can be 0-5 and rebuilding. You can't be 0-5, rebuilding, and completely noncompetitive. It just doesn't work in the NFL. 

 

3 minutes ago, Icer said:

The decisions have already been made. Gase is going to coach the season until completion for a myriad of reasons, whether legitimate or not. COVID, lack of assistant coaches, CJ not wanting to fire guys mid-season, etc. 

The best outcome is to hit the reset button at the end of the year with the top pick, jettison Gase and the entire coaching staff and let JD take control of football ops in all aspects. If he fails, then he fails but there's nothing else to be done at this point.

Not a big conspiracy guy but I would not be surprised if Jets feel it necessary to give a gentleman’s agreement to HC candidates that they won’t have to suffer the embarrassment of a mid-season firing if they come here. Might be only way to get anyone to show up for interviews.

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

 

Not a big conspiracy guy but I would not be surprised if Jets feel it necessary to give a gentleman’s agreement to HC candidates that they won’t have to suffer the embarrassment of a mid-season firing if they come here. Might be only way to get anyone to show up for interviews.

This is a good point. 

The only thing I'd say is, wouldn't firing Gase be more humane at this point? Just put him out of his misery already. Gase has a legit shot to go 0-16. Can't imagine any head coach wants that on his resume. 

[slimjasi]

7 minutes ago, Icer said:

The decisions have already been made. Gase is going to coach the season until completion for a myriad of reasons, whether legitimate or not. COVID, lack of assistant coaches, CJ not wanting to fire guys mid-season, etc. 

Possibly. But a season of historical ineptitude is a long, long time. 

This team still has to play New England on a Monday night. Still has to travel to KC, Seattle, and LA twice. We aren't even halfway through the embarrassment. It's going to be sooooo bad. I just wonder how much the Johnson's can realistically take. 

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

This is a good point. 

The only thing I'd say is, wouldn't firing Gase be more humane at this point? Just put him out of his misery already. Gase has a legit shot to go 0-16. Can't imagine any head coach wants that on his resume. 

The simplest reason is probably the right one. Jets don’t want to pay two ex HCs at the same time.

[varjet]

10 minutes ago, Icer said:

The decisions have already been made. Gase is going to coach the season until completion for a myriad of reasons, whether legitimate or not. COVID, lack of assistant coaches, CJ not wanting to fire guys mid-season, etc. 

The best outcome is to hit the reset button at the end of the year with the top pick, jettison Gase and the entire coaching staff and let JD take control of football ops in all aspects. If he fails, then he fails but there's nothing else to be done at this point.

Hopefully Gase and Chris have a deal where Gase gets to continue on, not play injured players we need next year unless completely healed(Darnold, Mims and Becton) and Gase keeps his mouth shut and goes on to be QBC of Western or Eastern Michigan.  

Gase knows that the Jets will be looking for his replacement starting now, and not falling behind Houston or Atlanta in that process.

Hopefully that is the deal.  I think Bowles was fired before he was officially fired.  

[Dcat]

The Johnsons' plan is to retain Gase. They don't want to pay him if he's fired so they figure it's prudent to keep him.

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

The simplest reason is probably the right one. Jets don’t want to pay two ex HCs at the same time.

bingo. Woody donning his Scrooge McDuck outfit.

[slimjasi]

Just now, Dcat said:

The Johnsons' plan is to retain Gase. They don't want to pay him if he's fired so they figure it's prudent to keep him.

I just don't see it. 

I get the reasoning but when your team is this bad week in and week out, you don't get another season. We aren't talking about just ho hum Jets bad. We are talking about historically Jets bad. We are talking about being considerably worse than Kotite's 1-15 mess. That is really, really bad and entirely unsustainable. 

[Jet Blast]

26 minutes ago, BettyBoop said:

This is the biggest indictment of all.

Some are saying it will make no difference whether the Johnsons  remove Gase now or later. They are wrong.

He has been playing players he shouldn't (for example Becton, Darnold, Gore & Herndon) and not playing players he should (for example Griffin & Perrine), just to name a few. His play calling, besides being obviously terrible, is putting our players in harms way.

For these reasons, we can't afford NOT to get rid of him.

[Losmeister]

smells like estrogen in here....

[JetPotato]

53 minutes ago, jgb said:

Imagine you’re a GM with the publicly-stayed goal or “building the best culture in sport.” How exactly do you reconcile that with the continued acceptance of historically-poor performance?

We're going with the France model.

World-renowned for our culture, but consistently get our ass whooped on the battle field.

[Wonderboy]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

i'm no Gase lover but people seem to think that by launching him things will suddenly get better.  the problem with that kind of thinking is the jets have still been decimated by injuries and the depth players just aren't very good.  people also point to the players that left the jets after last season and point to them as some sort of douglas failing.  so osemele is out forever and adams has been missing games.  the only player that left and is doing better is robbie and just about everyone knew the guy had some talent.  he just wasn't worth no. 1 receiver money.  so douglas brings in perriman who has been non existent and drafts mims who is still in the whirlpool.  to top it off, becton is injured.  so until this team does get back to near full strength it's going to be very tough to determine the best course of action.  imo the big question with Gase is whether or not he's lost the team.  Last week, with all the penalties, it almost seemed so.  And i would've liked to see him make a huge stink when johnson body slammed darnold.  but this week they played without penalty and if jeff smith doesn't drop or miss 8 of 11 passes thrown his way or herndon not drop a sure td then maybe he hasn't.

at some point the players need to start looking at the mirror and understand they are playing for their jobs in the future.

Some good points BUT players also are inspired by their HC. Gase is totally clueless, gutless and undisciplined.  He might very well be an offensive genius but he lacks the ability to bring the best out of his players. Self-knowledge avails you nothing. 

 

[Beerfish]

Gase deserves one more year because jabari zuniga and cam clark have been injured.

[Losmeister]

ps- Darnold got his own lame-ass injured by not seeing a wide open WR and hanging on to the ball.

[TMAC]

Things will not immediately turn around when Gase is fired, but it will be an essential step in the right direction.  We need a good coach, good drafting, and good FA signings.  It's that obvious and we all know it.  The question is whether Joe Douglas will be the George Young that the Jets so desperately need.

[JetBlue]

2 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Every moment Gase is the HC of the NYJ is damaging to the brand, its reputation, and most specifically,  to Darnold (and his possible value). 

 

It is an ongoing embarrassment and failure that gets exponentially worse by the day. 

I agree. The only thing is I really want us to have a shot at Lawrence and to do that we need the worst record in the league.  As long as Gase is the HC, that seems practically assured.  

[JetBlue]

42 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I just don't see it. 

I get the reasoning but when your team is this bad week in and week out, you don't get another season. We aren't talking about just ho hum Jets bad. We are talking about historically Jets bad. We are talking about being considerably worse than Kotite's 1-15 mess. That is really, really bad and entirely unsustainable. 

The problem is they are using the injury excuse to provide some cover for him.  I agree he needs to go asap but the true test will be when this team gets back most of their injured players and if they still look like warm doo doo, they will have no choice but to let him go.  

[Snook]

1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

I wonder when the first sideline fistfight happens? And between whom? Players? Coaches? LOL 

Buddy Ryan belting Kevin Gilbride was priceless.

[Biggs]

The Jets are simply hitting bottom. The question is will hitting bottom make ownership embrace recovery.  Until they do nothing will change.  This has the look of NY Knicks failure written all over it.  Rinse, repeat...

Gase getting fired.  Gase being tarred and feathered, Gase getting a weak in the stockades doesn't really change anything.  The Jets are set up to fail for at least a generation.  

[TNJet]

1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Perrine gets 0 carries yesterday,  52 year old Frank Gore is being used as a workhorse by an 0-5 team. 

 

We are unable to evaluate young players properly because the Offensive "system" is incoherent and absurd, and Gase refuses to play younger players for inexplicable reasons.  

 

Where is Mims? Cameron Clark?

 

Gase has now PERSONALLY INJURED Darnold AND Becton by allowing the injured players to play, in an obviously lost season. 

 

The team has clearly quit on the man,  and the man is a punchline. 

 

Shall I go on? Its going to get much, much worse. I wonder when the first sideline fistfight happens? And between whom? Players? Coaches? LOL 

 

 

Agreed. I never thought I'd say this but his teams are less prepared than Bowles'. And that's hard to accomplish.