Five Real Reasons Why We Must Be Kinder To Adam Gase

[Charlie Brown]

This is just a Reality Thread...

No Polls; just some facts as to why we as a fan base have to be or should be kinder and more understanding of our HC Adam Gase

Reason No. 1

This isn't all his fault.....

It isn't!

Let's be honest here the team, the Jets, were stinking well before Gase got here.  It is not like he came in with the 60's Packers or the 70's Steelers.  If we are honest, the team was being held together with broken rubber bands and old chewing gum at best.  We had a series of horrific if not well meaning GMs Idzik and Mac who combined had some of the worst drafts, when taken in total, in NFL history.

Under such a scenario, who would come in here and automatically turn this nonsense around?  The list is a short one and indeed Vince Lombardi would have been at his best to guarantee success here.

Reason No. 2

It's all about the QB baby!

Let's face it even someone like me who is a HUGE Darnold supporter can not be happy with his inconsistent play at times.  YOU CAN'T BE!!

It is obvious Darnold is dancing to a crazy mambo clock in his brain that only he can hear due to all the hits he has taken as a direct result of the Jets porous OL! Not Darnold's fault but its true.....

Again putting Gase aside, Darnold is just not as good (consistent)  as he was at the end of his rookie campaign.  It hurts me to say it but he isn't......

And while Gase can get some real blame as to play calling and scheme design at times, Sam definitely should get some real blame for not at times sitting back there throwing it and just hitting the open receiver.

And while the stupid graphic that somehow shows that Jets WRs are wide open all the time is obviously ridiculous to even the casual observer, it nevertheless true that Darnold is at times missing some folks by a country mile, and to blame those kind of misses on Gase is just WRONG!  Wrong....

While a Prime Time John Elway might not be able to overcome this mess, we have to be honest Elway would be looking way better than Darnold is right now out there..

Reason No. 3

Talent!

This is so obvious it shouldn't be stated, but it has to be mentioned, which is, while coaching matters, no coaching in the world can overcome the injuries the current Jets have had, and couple that with the Jets inferior talent and you have a team that can realistically get blown out week after week.

Indeed, recently we have had competent threads out here which correctly note that the 1996 Jets of infamy under Rich Kotite had WAY more talent than the current Jets; and if you put even a little thought in that is truly a scary fact and directly related to Reason No. 1 above.

Reason No. 4

Defense wins Championships!

Well, while that may no longer be true, but if Defense doesn't win you Championships anymore it can definitely lose you games.  And what we have seen since the beginning of this year on defense has been a disgrace!  A literal disgrace. 

And the only reason why Williams isn't pillared more is because the defense was so stout and effective last year.

Hmmmmmmm do we miss Adams that much perhaps, but then again Seattle's Defense is a joke defense now as well with Adams on it.  WHATEVER....

Nevertheless last season Gase took no credit last year for the Defense's great play but he is certainly taking some heat for its horrific play now.  The question is why?

I hear you and I know that Gase is the HC of THE WHOLE TEAM, I get it, but please don't forget it was the Jets "Hierarchy" and "Brain Trust" who forced Adam Gase to hire Williams to begin with. 

Remember there was a great deal of resistance from within the fan base to the Williams hire as a result of Bounty Gate.  So now when the team shows a lack of discipline on the defensive side of the ball (undisciplined penalties) folks say "look Gase has no control of the team."  Well that is what the Jets wanted and they can't now blame Gase for the result.

Not Gase's Fault..

Reason 5.

Management....

Simple I like Chris Johnson and even like Woody.

They seem in general like decent folk who care and who are committed to a winning culture and team, and despite the knocks on them they don't seem like they are cheap or unwilling to get the right folks in here.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm  so what is going on?

The key to me is a simple one...THE JOHNSON'S DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!

Not Knowing, doesn't make them bad people or that they should sell the team, but it does mean they need to get someone in here, as the President of Football Operations, who DOES KNOW what they are doing so that they can handle this mess.

This again is hardly Gase's fault. 

Lack of organizational direction precedes him to the time when the Johnson's acquired the Jets and it is still a reality today!  

Not Gase's Fault!!

Finally, we are a caring fan base and the constant drum beat for Gase's dismissal while cathartic is or has to be hurtful to Gase, his coaches and his family. 

The crazy eyed dude will be fired if he keeps losing games, because that is what happens to HC who keep losing games no matter how good their practices are. 

Anyway I just wanted to step back from my own insanity and give Gase some dignity even if I think he has to go!

 

[Irish Jet]

[BurnleyJet]

16 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

This is just a Reality Thread...

No Polls; just some facts as to why we as a fan base have to be or should be kinder and more understanding of our HC Adam Gase

Reason No. 1

This isn't all his fault.....

It isn't!

Let's be honest here the team, the Jets, were stinking well before Gase got here.  It is not like he came in with the 60's Packers or the 70's Steelers.  If we are honest, the team was being held together with broken rubber bands and old chewing gum at best.  We had a series of horrific if not well meaning GMs Idzik and Mac who combined had some of the worst drafts, when taken in total, in NFL history.

Under such a scenario, who would come in here and automatically turn this nonsense around?  The list is a short one and indeed Vince Lombardi would have been at his best to guarantee success here.

Reason No. 2

It's all about the QB baby!

Let's face it even someone like me who is a HUGE Darnold supporter can not be happy with his inconsistent play at times.  YOU CAN'T BE!!

It is obvious Darnold is dancing to a crazy mambo clock in his brain that only he can hear due to all the hits he has taken as a direct result of the Jets porous OL! Not Darnold's fault but its true.....

Again putting Gase aside, Darnold is just not as good (consistent)  as he was at the end of his rookie campaign.  It hurts me to say it but he isn't......

And while Gase can get some real blame as to play calling and scheme design at times, Sam definitely should get some real blame for not at times sitting back there throwing it and just hitting the open receiver.

And while the stupid graphic that somehow shows that Jets WRs are wide open all the time is obviously ridiculous to even the casual observer, it nevertheless true that Darnold is at times missing some folks by a country mile, and to blame those kind of misses on Gase is just WRONG!  Wrong....

While a Prime Time John Elway might not be able to overcome this mess, we have to be honest Elway would be looking way better than Darnold is right now out there..

Reason No. 3

Talent!

This is so obvious it shouldn't be stated, but it has to be mentioned, which is, while coaching matters, no coaching in the world can overcome the injuries the current Jets have had, and couple that with the Jets inferior talent and you have a team that can realistically get blown out week after week.

Indeed, recently we have had competent threads out here which correctly note that the 1996 Jets of infamy under Rich Kotite had WAY more talent than the current Jets; and if you put even a little thought in that is truly a scary fact and directly related to Reason No. 1 above.

Reason No. 4

Defense wins Championships!

Well, while that may no longer be true, but if Defense doesn't win you Championships anymore it can definitely lose you games.  And what we have seen since the beginning of this year on defense has been a disgrace!  A literal disgrace. 

And the only reason why Williams isn't pillared more is because the defense was so stout and effective last year.

Hmmmmmmm do we miss Adams that much perhaps, but then again Seattle's Defense is a joke defense now as well with Adams on it.  WHATEVER....

Nevertheless last season Gase took no credit last year for the Defense's great play but he is certainly taking some heat for its horrific play now.  The question is why?

I hear you and I know that Gase is the HC of THE WHOLE TEAM, I get it, but please don't forget it was the Jets "Hierarchy" and "Brain Trust" who forced Adam Gase to hire Williams to begin with. 

Remember there was a great deal of resistance from within the fan base to the Williams hire as a result of Bounty Gate.  So now when the team shows a lack of discipline on the defensive side of the ball (undisciplined penalties) folks say "look Gase has no control of the team."  Well that is what the Jets wanted and they can't now blame Gase for the result.

Not Gase's Fault..

Reason 5.

Management....

Simple I like Chris Johnson and even like Woody.

They seem in general like decent folk who care and who are committed to a winning culture and team, and despite the knocks on them they don't seem like they are cheap or unwilling to get the right folks in here.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm  so what is going on?

The key to me is a simple one...THE JOHNSON'S DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!

Not Knowing, doesn't make them bad people or that they should sell the team, but it does mean they need to get someone in here, as the President of Football Operations, who DOES KNOW what they are doing so that they can handle this mess.

This again is hardly Gase's fault. 

Lack of organizational direction precedes him to the time when the Johnson's acquired the Jets and it is still a reality today!  

Not Gase's Fault!!

Finally, we are a caring fan base and the constant drum beat for Gase's dismissal while cathartic is or has to be hurtful to Gase, his coaches and his family. 

The crazy eyed dude will be fired if he keeps losing games, because that is what happens to HC who keep losing games no matter how good their practices are. 

Anyway I just wanted to step back from my own insanity and give Gase some dignity even if I think he has to go!

 

@The Crusher I think SAR1’s hacked Charlie Browns account..

[Sonny Werblin]

All those things can be true AND Adam Gase can be a terrible Head Football Coach. They are NOT mutually exclusive. 

[Warfish]

[The Crusher]

6 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

@The Crusher I think SAR1’s hacked Charlie Browns account..

I think Charlie Brown is a moderator 

[jgb]

When you throw away a chunk of rotten meat you don't try to save the tiny pieces not covered in mold.

[ToonforPrez]

Gase can be a sh*tty coach and the roster can be talentless at the same time. Gase has not even gotten this team to play hard and that is on the coaching staff not the talent on the roster or lack there of.  

[BROOKLYN JET]

The jig is up @T0mShane. @Charlie Brown is THE REAL JN CAPTAIN.

[freestater]

29 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

This is just a Reality Thread...

No Polls; just some facts as to why we as a fan base have to be or should be kinder and more understanding of our HC Adam Gase

Reason No. 1

This isn't all his fault.....

It isn't!

Let's be honest here the team, the Jets, were stinking well before Gase got here.  It is not like he came in with the 60's Packers or the 70's Steelers...

Reason No. 2

It's all about the QB baby!

Let's face it even someone like me who is a HUGE Darnold supporter can not be happy with his inconsistent play at times.  YOU CAN'T BE!!

It is obvious Darnold is dancing to a crazy mambo clock in his brain that only he can hear due to all the hits he has taken as a direct result of the Jets porous OL! Not Darnold's fault but its true.....

 

Reason No. 3

Talent!

This is so obvious it shouldn't be stated, but it has to be mentioned, which is, while coaching matters, no coaching in the world can overcome the injuries the current Jets have had, and couple that with the Jets inferior talent and you have a team that can realistically get blown out week after week.

Indeed, recently we have had competent threads out here which correctly note that the 1996 Jets of infamy under Rich Kotite had WAY more talent than the current Jets; and if you put even a little thought in that is truly a scary fact and directly related to Reason No. 1 above.

Reason No. 4

Defense wins Championships!

Well, while that may no longer be true, but if Defense doesn't win you Championships anymore it can definitely lose you games.  And what we have seen since the beginning of this year on defense has been a disgrace!  A literal disgrace. 

And the only reason why Williams isn't pillared more is because the defense was so stout and effective last year.

..

Reason 5.

Management....

Simple I like Chris Johnson and even like Woody.

They seem in general like decent folk who care and who are committed to a winning culture and team, and despite the knocks on them they don't seem like they are cheap or unwilling to get the right folks in here.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm  so what is going on?

The key to me is a simple one...THE JOHNSON'S DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!

Not Knowing, doesn't make them bad people or that they should sell the team, but it does mean they need to get someone in here, as the President of Football Operations, who DOES KNOW what they are doing so that they can handle this mess.

This again is hardly Gase's fault. 

Lack of organizational direction precedes him to the time when the Johnson's acquired the Jets and it is still a reality today!  

Not Gase's Fault!!

Finally, we are a caring fan base and the constant drum beat for Gase's dismissal while cathartic is or has to be hurtful to Gase, his coaches and his family. 

The crazy eyed dude will be fired if he keeps losing games, because that is what happens to HC who keep losing games no matter how good their practices are. 

Anyway I just wanted to step back from my own insanity and give Gase some dignity even if I think he has to go!

 

This is a fair, reasoned argument that ends with a competent conclusion. 

You have violated the rules around here pal. 

 

[ScarletKnight89]

Nice post

When Gase got hired I wasn't happy. But then when I heard that he was fighting with Macc because Macc wanted to spend big money on Bell and Gase wanted that money invested in the O-Line I was like, "WOW, Gase gets it!". And then he started coaching and totally disappointed me.

I agree that it's not all his fault. But he's just a bad coach. 

[UntouchableCrew]

The only reason to be nice to someone like Gase is sympathy -- and it's really, really hard to be sympathetic to somone as arrogant as he is.

[Losmeister]

Sam Darnold was jittery in the pocket back at USC.

[Losmeister]

47 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

And while the stupid graphic that somehow shows that Jets WRs are wide open all the time is obviously ridiculous to even the casual observer,

the normal telly angle you cannot even SEE the Wrs...  teh causal observer wouldnt have known that Cager was wide open over the middle and Sam just didnt throw it and took a sack and got hurt...  needed Aikman to show the behind the QB angle....

check out Robby Sabo and Michael nania's twitter accounts...  ALl-22 analysis...    

[section314]

This is like believing the Manson Family did it because of the White Album and David Berkowitz was really under the power of the talking dog.?

[peebag]

I would accept OP's argument but for the fact that I have not seen the New York Jets offense (or defense for that matter) do any type of in game adjustments. None. Nada.

Gase is just not good.

[SAR I]

Great post.

This is exactly how the fanbase feels, the smart ones anyway,

SAR I

[Beerfish]

[More Cowbell]

[Vudu]

That’s a lot of words I won’t be reading

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, Charlie Brown said:

Finally, we are a caring fan base and the constant drum beat for Gase's dismissal while cathartic is or has to be hurtful to Gase, his coaches and his family. 

The crazy eyed dude will be fired if he keeps losing games, because that is what happens to HC who keep losing games no matter how good their practices are. 

Anyway I just wanted to step back from my own insanity and give Gase some dignity even if I think he has to go!

Thing is, he's been given an impossible assignment in an impossible town and there is no way for him to succeed with a roster this bad and a new GM that's just begun his rebuild.

What exacerbates things is that Jets fans talk one way and walk another.  They say they want to model themselves after the likes of the Steelers and Ravens, they say they want to develop homegrown talent, but don't have the stomach for what that actually means. 

To become a franchise with a stable front office and a beat that all the soldiers march to you have to start from the ground-up.  We are essentially an expansion team straddled with bellyaching fans who believe they are entitled to instant success because it's been so long since they've had any.  They need to act like this is Year 1 but instead they act like it's Year 51.  It's a mindset.  They need to get onboard with the rebuild they asked for.  That's the real issue.  

SAR I

[Stark]

His offenses have ranked 21st, 24th, 25th, 31st and currently 32nd in offensive yards. Points they have ranked 23rd, 17th, 28th, 26th, and currently tied for last. That doesn't count this year. 

Gase's offenses have been shut out 4 times in 5 years. And has never been in the top half in offensive yards or points across 5 years, 3 franchises and 4 QBs.

 

Gase is not good. We can go down the list of players that leave Gase and improve. Gase is bad, stop making excuses for him.

[PS17]

Good effort, but bad take. Gase is the worst coach in football. 

[Warfish]

14 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Thing is, he's been given an impossible assignment in an impossible town and there is no way for him to succeed with a roster this bad and a new GM that's just begun his rebuild.

What exacerbates things is that Jets fans talk one way and walk another.  They say they want to model themselves after the likes of the Steelers and Ravens, they say they want to develop homegrown talent, but don't have the stomach for what that actually means. 

To become a franchise with a stable front office and a beat that all the soldiers march to you have to start from the ground-up.  We are essentially an expansion team straddled with bellyaching fans who believe they are entitled to instant success because it's been so long since they've had any.  They need to act like this is Year 1 but instead they act like it's Year 51.  It's a mindset.  They need to get onboard with the rebuild they asked for.  That's the real issue.  

SAR I

This might be true, if Adam Gase was a good head coach, who inspired confidence, and had a record of success.  The kind of Coach you do build around for long-term consistency.

He simply isn't that man, and you know it.

And yet, here we are.  24/17, 25/28, 31/26, 32/31 and 31/21.  That is Gase's Resume.  An offensive genius who regularly finishes as one of the worst offenses in the NFL.  Any idea that he is something other than what his resume says he is is pure projection on your part.

Injuries might buy you an extra year.  It doesn't buy you a decade.

[BurnleyJet]

1 hour ago, The Crusher said:

I think Charlie Brown is a moderator 

Yes scary @Charlie Brown

[SAR I]

16 minutes ago, Warfish said:

This might be true, if Adam Gase was a good head coach, who inspired confidence, and had a record of success.  The kind of Coach you do build around for long-term consistency.

He simply isn't that man, and you know it.

And yet, here we are.  24/17, 25/28, 31/26, 32/31 and 31/21.  That is Gase's Resume.  An offensive genius who regularly finishes as one of the worst offenses in the NFL.  Any idea that he is something other than what his resume says he is is pure projection on your part.

Injuries might buy you an extra year.  It doesn't buy you a decade.

And that's where you have to separate the head coach from the offensive coordinator.  I don't care about Gase as an offensive coordinator.  We can find one of those.  They are not a hard get, even for a team like the Jets.

But finding a strong head coach?  That's unicorn material.  And I think Gase might develop into a strong head coach.  He has shown signs of strong leadership under trying circumstances, motivation of a team in a deep losing streak, coaching-up of youngsters in their first real action, managing starters playing out of position, he handles the media, his instincts on Bell and Maccagnan were correct, he is unfazed by the madness of New York, cool as a cucumber under the brightest lights in the league.

Fire Gase the offensive coordinator tomorrow if you like.  Keep Gase the head coach.  I think he may be what we've been looking for.

SAR I

[Warfish]

8 minutes ago, SAR I said:

And that's where you have to separate the head coach from the offensive coordinator.  I don't care about Gase as an offensive coordinator.  We can find one of those.  They are not a hard get, even for a team like the Jets.

You know as well as I do there is no play calling, offense designing "Offensive Coordinator" on our staff.

Gase designs the offense, Gase calls the plays.  This offense is 100% Gases.  And it IS his undoing.

8 minutes ago, SAR I said:

But finding a strong head coach?  That's unicorn material.  And I think Gase might develop into a strong head coach.  He has shown signs of strong leadership under trying circumstances, motivation of a team in a deep losing streak, coaching-up of youngsters in their first real action, managing starters playing out of position, he handles the media, his instincts on Bell and Maccagnan were correct, he is unfazed by the madness of New York, cool as a cucumber under the brightest lights in the league.

Fire Gase the offensive coordinator tomorrow if you like.  Keep Gase the head coach.  I think he may be what we've been looking for.

SAR I

You're simply wrong.  As you have been about everything else so far.

I look forward to your next schtick once Gase is gone.

[Jetsfan80]

Gase just needs more weppinz

[Losmeister]

1 hour ago, PS17 said:

Good effort, but bad take. Gase is the worst coach in football. 

he's bad...  but Matt Patricia.

 

[Losmeister]

2 reasons to want Gase gone, yet not lynch him in public...

• 1 / 6. QB Sam Darnold (USC)
• 2 / 6. DL Nathan Shepherd (Fort Hays State)
• 3 / 6. TE Chris Herndon (Miami Fla.)
• 4 / 6. CB Parry Nickerson (Tulane)
• 5 / 6. DL Folorunso Fatukasi (Connecticut)
• 6 / 6. RB Trenton Cannon (Virginia State)

 

• First Round, Pick #3: Quinnen Williams, Defensive Tackle, Alabama.
• Third Round, Pick #68: Jachai Polite, Edge, University of Florida.
• Third Round, Pick #93: Chuma Edoga, Offensive Tackle, USC.
• Fourth Round, Pick #121: Trevon Wesco, Tight End, West Virginia.

[Wonderboy]

2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

This is just a Reality Thread...

No Polls; just some facts as to why we as a fan base have to be or should be kinder and more understanding of our HC Adam Gase

Reason No. 1

This isn't all his fault.....

It isn't!

Let's be honest here the team, the Jets, were stinking well before Gase got here.  It is not like he came in with the 60's Packers or the 70's Steelers.  If we are honest, the team was being held together with broken rubber bands and old chewing gum at best.  We had a series of horrific if not well meaning GMs Idzik and Mac who combined had some of the worst drafts, when taken in total, in NFL history.

Under such a scenario, who would come in here and automatically turn this nonsense around?  The list is a short one and indeed Vince Lombardi would have been at his best to guarantee success here.

Reason No. 2

It's all about the QB baby!

Let's face it even someone like me who is a HUGE Darnold supporter can not be happy with his inconsistent play at times.  YOU CAN'T BE!!

It is obvious Darnold is dancing to a crazy mambo clock in his brain that only he can hear due to all the hits he has taken as a direct result of the Jets porous OL! Not Darnold's fault but its true.....

Again putting Gase aside, Darnold is just not as good (consistent)  as he was at the end of his rookie campaign.  It hurts me to say it but he isn't......

And while Gase can get some real blame as to play calling and scheme design at times, Sam definitely should get some real blame for not at times sitting back there throwing it and just hitting the open receiver.

And while the stupid graphic that somehow shows that Jets WRs are wide open all the time is obviously ridiculous to even the casual observer, it nevertheless true that Darnold is at times missing some folks by a country mile, and to blame those kind of misses on Gase is just WRONG!  Wrong....

While a Prime Time John Elway might not be able to overcome this mess, we have to be honest Elway would be looking way better than Darnold is right now out there..

Reason No. 3

Talent!

This is so obvious it shouldn't be stated, but it has to be mentioned, which is, while coaching matters, no coaching in the world can overcome the injuries the current Jets have had, and couple that with the Jets inferior talent and you have a team that can realistically get blown out week after week.

Indeed, recently we have had competent threads out here which correctly note that the 1996 Jets of infamy under Rich Kotite had WAY more talent than the current Jets; and if you put even a little thought in that is truly a scary fact and directly related to Reason No. 1 above.

Reason No. 4

Defense wins Championships!

Well, while that may no longer be true, but if Defense doesn't win you Championships anymore it can definitely lose you games.  And what we have seen since the beginning of this year on defense has been a disgrace!  A literal disgrace. 

And the only reason why Williams isn't pillared more is because the defense was so stout and effective last year.

Hmmmmmmm do we miss Adams that much perhaps, but then again Seattle's Defense is a joke defense now as well with Adams on it.  WHATEVER....

Nevertheless last season Gase took no credit last year for the Defense's great play but he is certainly taking some heat for its horrific play now.  The question is why?

I hear you and I know that Gase is the HC of THE WHOLE TEAM, I get it, but please don't forget it was the Jets "Hierarchy" and "Brain Trust" who forced Adam Gase to hire Williams to begin with. 

Remember there was a great deal of resistance from within the fan base to the Williams hire as a result of Bounty Gate.  So now when the team shows a lack of discipline on the defensive side of the ball (undisciplined penalties) folks say "look Gase has no control of the team."  Well that is what the Jets wanted and they can't now blame Gase for the result.

Not Gase's Fault..

Reason 5.

Management....

Simple I like Chris Johnson and even like Woody.

They seem in general like decent folk who care and who are committed to a winning culture and team, and despite the knocks on them they don't seem like they are cheap or unwilling to get the right folks in here.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm  so what is going on?

The key to me is a simple one...THE JOHNSON'S DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!

Not Knowing, doesn't make them bad people or that they should sell the team, but it does mean they need to get someone in here, as the President of Football Operations, who DOES KNOW what they are doing so that they can handle this mess.

This again is hardly Gase's fault. 

Lack of organizational direction precedes him to the time when the Johnson's acquired the Jets and it is still a reality today!  

Not Gase's Fault!!

Finally, we are a caring fan base and the constant drum beat for Gase's dismissal while cathartic is or has to be hurtful to Gase, his coaches and his family. 

The crazy eyed dude will be fired if he keeps losing games, because that is what happens to HC who keep losing games no matter how good their practices are. 

Anyway I just wanted to step back from my own insanity and give Gase some dignity even if I think he has to go!

 

Are you a priest? You must have gotten together with @SAR I over a plate of cold refried beans and drafted this exposé. 

[pdxgreen]

When he's not anywhere on the Jets property and has picked up his office valuables in a box.  And then sells his house in the area...  I will be nice to him.

[CanadaSteve]

How ironic that a guy named Charlie Brown is telling us to give some other guy respect who doesn't deserve any.

[slimjasi]

Some good points, but when everything about a football team is as bad as it currently is for this team, everyone shares in the blame - the HC is at the top of that list. 

Basically, "tear it all down" is the best approach

[jago]