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Five Real Reasons Why We Must Be Kinder To Adam Gase


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3 hours ago, Losmeister said:

the normal telly angle you cannot even SEE the Wrs...  teh causal observer wouldnt have known that Cager was wide open over the middle and Sam just didnt throw it and took a sack and got hurt...  needed Aikman to show the behind the QB angle....

check out Robby Sabo and Michael nania's twitter accounts...  ALl-22 analysis...    

That was one Play!

Hahhahahhah :) 

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18 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

gotothetwitter account i mentioned....multilpleplays multiple games...

unless you look at all-22 you dont know WTF the WRs are doing.

Good Grief..

Take a look at this guys BAD THROWS and get back to me.....

 

Looks like he sucks to me.... :) 

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I will say this, the empathy you are showing is commendable. I admit that as much Gase-bashing as I have done, I’ve lately felt bad for the guy in his press conferences. Can’t be easy. Sure he has money, but his self-esteem and pride have got to be taking a beating. He loves the X’s and O’s and he seems to truly love the game going way back. He worked his way up with hard work. I hope he lands someplace where his passion for football can make a difference and is more in-line with his true skill-set. Head Coach isn’t for everyone. Bowles found his niche in Tampa. 

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21 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Good Grief..

Take a look at this guys BAD THROWS and get back to me.....

 

Looks like he sucks to me.... :) 

Bradyhas been very iffy of late...    wtf does that hafta do w/whether Jet Wrs are open?

Anyway...  i am no defender of Gase. He can trundle off into oblivion for all I care.

Just another bad Jet HC.

  But every single players perfromance does notfall at his feet. 

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6 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

Bradyhas been very iffy of late...    wtf does that hafta do w/whether Jet Wrs are open?

Anyway...  i am no defender of Gase. He can trundle off into oblivion for all I care.

Just another bad Jet HC.

  But every single players perfromance does notfall at his feet. 

The point is that showing random misses by a QB is not totally indicative of what they are doing on the field.

Again to me Darnold is not accurate all the time and I indicated that in my initial post...

I also said that Darnold was in effect part of the problem and that Gase should not be blamed for Darnold's bone headed throws.......

So we agree.... that was the point.....

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5 hours ago, ToonforPrez said:

Gase can be a sh*tty coach and the roster can be talentless at the same time. Gase has not even gotten this team to play hard and that is on the coaching staff not the talent on the roster or lack there of.  

But you should see them practice!!!

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11 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

The point is that showing random misses by a QB is not totally indicative of what they are doing on the field.

Again to me Darnold is not accurate all the time and I indicated that in my initial post...

I also said that Darnold was in effect part of the problem and that Gase should not be blamed for Darnold's bone headed throws.......

So we agree.... that was the point.....

onlything i'd add is that those random misses...  they happen all the time, for 3 years...  obvioulsy its NOT TOTALLY INDICATIVE, or else his comp% would be zero.

but it's those handful of misses that outnumber the good plays so clearly that make him a sub-avg QB.

anyway, you;re a good man charlie brown, i'll be your holder! (non lucy-like)

jajajaja

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7 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

This is just a Reality Thread...

No Polls; just some facts as to why we as a fan base have to be or should be kinder and more understanding of our HC Adam Gase

Reason No. 1

This isn't all his fault.....

It isn't!

Let's be honest here the team, the Jets, were stinking well before Gase got here.  It is not like he came in with the 60's Packers or the 70's Steelers.  If we are honest, the team was being held together with broken rubber bands and old chewing gum at best.  We had a series of horrific if not well meaning GMs Idzik and Mac who combined had some of the worst drafts, when taken in total, in NFL history.

Under such a scenario, who would come in here and automatically turn this nonsense around?  The list is a short one and indeed Vince Lombardi would have been at his best to guarantee success here.

Reason No. 2

It's all about the QB baby!

Let's face it even someone like me who is a HUGE Darnold supporter can not be happy with his inconsistent play at times.  YOU CAN'T BE!!

It is obvious Darnold is dancing to a crazy mambo clock in his brain that only he can hear due to all the hits he has taken as a direct result of the Jets porous OL! Not Darnold's fault but its true.....

Again putting Gase aside, Darnold is just not as good (consistent)  as he was at the end of his rookie campaign.  It hurts me to say it but he isn't......

And while Gase can get some real blame as to play calling and scheme design at times, Sam definitely should get some real blame for not at times sitting back there throwing it and just hitting the open receiver.

And while the stupid graphic that somehow shows that Jets WRs are wide open all the time is obviously ridiculous to even the casual observer, it nevertheless true that Darnold is at times missing some folks by a country mile, and to blame those kind of misses on Gase is just WRONG!  Wrong....

While a Prime Time John Elway might not be able to overcome this mess, we have to be honest Elway would be looking way better than Darnold is right now out there..

Reason No. 3

Talent!

This is so obvious it shouldn't be stated, but it has to be mentioned, which is, while coaching matters, no coaching in the world can overcome the injuries the current Jets have had, and couple that with the Jets inferior talent and you have a team that can realistically get blown out week after week.

Indeed, recently we have had competent threads out here which correctly note that the 1996 Jets of infamy under Rich Kotite had WAY more talent than the current Jets; and if you put even a little thought in that is truly a scary fact and directly related to Reason No. 1 above.

Reason No. 4

Defense wins Championships!

Well, while that may no longer be true, but if Defense doesn't win you Championships anymore it can definitely lose you games.  And what we have seen since the beginning of this year on defense has been a disgrace!  A literal disgrace. 

And the only reason why Williams isn't pillared more is because the defense was so stout and effective last year.

Hmmmmmmm do we miss Adams that much perhaps, but then again Seattle's Defense is a joke defense now as well with Adams on it.  WHATEVER....

Nevertheless last season Gase took no credit last year for the Defense's great play but he is certainly taking some heat for its horrific play now.  The question is why?

I hear you and I know that Gase is the HC of THE WHOLE TEAM, I get it, but please don't forget it was the Jets "Hierarchy" and "Brain Trust" who forced Adam Gase to hire Williams to begin with. 

Remember there was a great deal of resistance from within the fan base to the Williams hire as a result of Bounty Gate.  So now when the team shows a lack of discipline on the defensive side of the ball (undisciplined penalties) folks say "look Gase has no control of the team."  Well that is what the Jets wanted and they can't now blame Gase for the result.

Not Gase's Fault..

Reason 5.

Management....

Simple I like Chris Johnson and even like Woody.

They seem in general like decent folk who care and who are committed to a winning culture and team, and despite the knocks on them they don't seem like they are cheap or unwilling to get the right folks in here.  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm  so what is going on?

The key to me is a simple one...THE JOHNSON'S DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!

Not Knowing, doesn't make them bad people or that they should sell the team, but it does mean they need to get someone in here, as the President of Football Operations, who DOES KNOW what they are doing so that they can handle this mess.

This again is hardly Gase's fault. 

Lack of organizational direction precedes him to the time when the Johnson's acquired the Jets and it is still a reality today!  

Not Gase's Fault!!

Finally, we are a caring fan base and the constant drum beat for Gase's dismissal while cathartic is or has to be hurtful to Gase, his coaches and his family. 

The crazy eyed dude will be fired if he keeps losing games, because that is what happens to HC who keep losing games no matter how good their practices are. 

Anyway I just wanted to step back from my own insanity and give Gase some dignity even if I think he has to go!

 

Mostly good points.  I’m no gase lover but I think he has been taking way too much of the blame of late.  There just seem to be too many people who refer to anecdotal  quotes from big mouth former players in an attempt to bring him down.  As I see it Flacco threw 11 passes to Jeff smith on Sunday and he caught 3 of them.  Did gase teach this guy how to catch?  Bell gets upset that he only caught one pass but when you consider the 8 passes to smith means they were throwing to guys who are supposed to be receivers. It also means the wrs are getting open so play design may not be that bad.

i think the biggest issue going forward is if gase has lost the team and lockeroom. I know many posters think so but absent real proof it’s hard to say.  We can only hope Douglas and the johnsons are objectivewhen they assess the season. Given the record, gase will probably be launched.  It’s easier to replace a coach than 53 players.

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My conspiracy theory...no way Gase is this bad of a coach.  Players will not tank games and no one would ask them to.  Management however would tank a season and the best way to do that is have the coach on board to do it.  If Gase was guaranteed another year if he tanks this year and gets assured we will load up on weapons next year, that would be the only explanation for his epic sucky-ness....

Note: i did a lot of drugs in my 20's/30's and had multiple concussions from football and judo

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10 hours ago, SAR I said:

Thing is, he's been given an impossible assignment in an impossible town and there is no way for him to succeed with a roster this bad and a new GM that's just begun his rebuild.

What exacerbates things is that Jets fans talk one way and walk another.  They say they want to model themselves after the likes of the Steelers and Ravens, they say they want to develop homegrown talent, but don't have the stomach for what that actually means. 

To become a franchise with a stable front office and a beat that all the soldiers march to you have to start from the ground-up.  We are essentially an expansion team straddled with bellyaching fans who believe they are entitled to instant success because it's been so long since they've had any.  They need to act like this is Year 1 but instead they act like it's Year 51.  It's a mindset.  They need to get onboard with the rebuild they asked for.  That's the real issue.  

SAR I

Except, according to you, Gase (along with CJ) told Macc what to do before CJ fired him.  So that would mean that this is not the beginning of the rebuild for Gase.  

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