After Adams and Bell, what FA is going to come here

[More Cowbell]

Has JD made this team Toxic

 

[T0mShane]

Old enough to remember when Leveon Bell signed here as a free agent. 

[jgb]

As always, those with no other options--has-beens playing out the string or never-wases clinging to the league--or pure money pigs like Bell.

[More Cowbell]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Old enough to remember when Leveon Bell signed here as a free agent. 

That was before the best players on the team wanted to be traded just to get off the team and another big FA acquisition was let go for nothing. 

[JustEndTheSuffering]

If you throw enough money at a football player they'll come. If the Jets are the highest bidder I don't think it'll matter how much of a joke we are.

[jgb]

1 minute ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

If you throw enough money at a football player they'll come. If the Jets are the highest bidder I don't think it'll matter how much of a joke we are.

The highest bidder by a lot. Macc lost 3 FAs to lower offers elsewhere. The Jets tax keeps growing.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

That was before the best players on the team wanted to be traded just to get off the team and another big FA acquisition was let go for nothing. 

Jamal Adams would be here if he got paid. Bell was just a predictably bad signing. Anderson got a one year deal with his former college coach. Go back three years and you could write the same “dumpster fire” articles about the Bills, Browns, and Cardinals. It wasn’t too long ago that the Niners were coached by Jim Tomsula and, a few years later, were going to fire John Lynch. 

[JustEndTheSuffering]

Just now, jgb said:

The highest bidder by a lot. Macc lost 3 FAs to lower offers elsewhere. The Jets tax keeps growing.

I agree, when there are other teams willing to pay a similar amount, the Jets offer falls to the bottom of that players list and I can't blame them.

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

I agree, when there are other teams willing to pay a similar amount, the Jets offer falls to the bottom of that players list and I can't blame them.

Players realize coming to the Jets torpedoes the value of your next contract. You only come here if you have no other choice or are a "live for today" kind of moron who looks only at the next paycheck.

Would you take 5% less money to work at Google over Big Al's Used Laptops?

[rangerous]

Maybe free agents will stay away but it also means the team needs to draft better.  Right now it’s hard to judge Douglas first draft because 3 of those guys aren’t playing at all.  Becton looks to be an excellent player, Mann is doing pretty well as a punter and Perine can carry the ball.  We are all waiting to see Clark, Mims and Zuniga.  If those guys can play then Douglas will have hit a home run in his first draft.  If he does the same for the next draft then the jets will look that much better. The free agents will come.  They like money.

[Larz]

Reggie white, John Lynch ?

[More Cowbell]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Jamal Adams would be here if he got paid. Bell was just a predictably bad signing. Anderson got a one year deal with his former college coach. Go back three years and you could write the same “dumpster fire” articles about the Bills, Browns, and Cardinals. It wasn’t too long ago that the Niners were coached by Jim Tomsula and, a few years later, were going to fire John Lynch. 

Adams would stay of we made him the highest paid S but went to the Seahawks for nothing but hope he gets signed as the highest paid player which honestly, does not look likely. 

 

[GreekJet]

A lot of it will depend on the new coach and his reputation.

 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Adams would stay of we made him the highest paid S but went to the Seahawks for nothing but hope he gets signed as the highest paid player which honestly, does not look likely. 

 

I mean, the Adams/Seahawks contract will be interesting to watch as it relates to Douglas’ handling of that specific situation. My point was that, yeah, the Jets are getting dragged today, but firing Gase will alleviate a bunch of that and then the ball is in Douglas’ court moving forward. The one benefit to hanging on to Gase right now is that he absorbs a lot of the vitriol and is easily, inevitably disposable. The media is climbing on him because he’s vulnerable and they risk nothing by taking shots at him. Typical cowardice from the sports media set.

[Lupz27]

What?  The ageless Frank Gore practically begged to come here.  ??

[LRJets]

In a word...ummm picture.

 

[jgb]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I mean, the Adams/Seahawks contract will be interesting to watch as it relates to Douglas’ handling of that specific situation. My point was that, yeah, the Jets are getting dragged today, but firing Gase will alleviate a bunch of that and then the ball is in Douglas’ court moving forward. The one benefit to hanging on to Gase right now is that he absorbs a lot of the vitriol and is easily, inevitably disposable. The media is climbing on him because he’s vulnerable and they risk nothing by taking shots at him. Typical cowardice from the sports media set.

A lot can change if the Jets finally throw down some coin to lure a legit HC with cred here. A Cowher, just as an example. He would demand a Gruden-type deal if he’s even interested at all.

[T0mShane]

Just now, jgb said:

A lot can change if the Jets finally throw down some coin to lure a legit HC with cred here. A Cowher, just as an example. He would demand a Gruden-type deal if he’s even interested at all.

No doubt the head coach hire is the story of the next forever and they should aim as high as possible, even if it means giving, like, Sean Payton $10 mil. 

[Scott Dierking]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

No doubt the head coach hire is the story of the next forever and they should aim as high as possible, even if it means giving, like, Sean Payton $10 mil. 

If history is any predictor of future results, and it always is, expect a first time coach. Someone along the line of Arthur Smith with the Titans.

[Scoop24]

Bell only came here cause where the only team that offered him the kinda money he wanted and then competed against over selves and paid him more. 

No team wanted him at those prices during Fa and no team wanted him with that contract to trade for him .

[AL047]

The only way good free agents will come here is :

1) The head coach - it has to be someone with respect and wherever he goes he wins. The last coach to do that was Bill Parcells and we don't see any coach breaking down the Jets door to coach this team, The only thing out there are coordinators wanting to be head coaches. Since Joe Douglas is the GM don't be surprised someone from the Ravens or Eagles gets hired. Remember Douglas worked for both teams and knows the coaching staff.

2) WIN - Jets have to win every game and every season!!! If they win the free agents will want to play because they go to the playoffs and are close to the Super Bowl.

Free agents look at those things look back at the Buccaneers when they were bad. No player wanted to go to them not even draft picks QB Steve Young and RB Bo Jackson. Without a good head coach or a winning atmosphere no top free agent will come here. 

[Irish Jet]

42 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

No doubt the head coach hire is the story of the next forever and they should aim as high as possible, even if it means giving, like, Sean Payton $10 mil. 

Hue Jackson you say?

[sourceworx]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

The highest bidder by a lot. Macc lost 3 FAs to lower offers elsewhere. The Jets tax keeps growing.

This is where having a coach who came from the college ranks, and has a strong recruiting background, may come in handy.

[SAR I]

We actually don't want expensive free agents.  We want to build from within.  We want to re-sign our own players who are beloved.  We want to draft well.  We want to find quality players via UFA.

If we are very certain he's not another carpetbagger, if we are positive he's a high-character guy, then we sign another Crowder, someone who actually wants to play for wins, not cash.

This is the New England way.  This is the Baltimore way.  This is the Philadelphia way.  We hired Joe Douglas for a reason.

SAR I

[sciond]

Johnson effect....

[Beerfish]

it will have zero affect on our fa. 

It is all about money and going to a winning team if money is equal.

 

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

Has JD made this team more Toxic

 

fixed it for you

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

Has JD made this team Toxic

 

Has JD made this team toxic? He didn't draft Adams and he didn't sign Bell nor did he pick Gase to be the head coach. Not sure why he is at fault for any of this. 

He was the one hired to fix it and  has 1 draft under his belt where, we likely found a franchise LT. So let's take it easy on JD......for now. 

[Scott Dierking]

Free agents came to the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns.

[section314]

1 hour ago, Scoop24 said:

Bell only came here cause where the only team that offered him the kinda money he wanted and then competed against over selves and paid him more. 

No team wanted him at those prices during Fa and no team wanted him with that contract to trade for him .

That's the real reason.

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

If you throw enough money at a football player they'll come. If the Jets are the highest bidder I don't think it'll matter how much of a joke we are.

A lower salary cap says hi.

[Scoop24]

3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Free agents came to the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns.

We know money talks some jets fans are just emotional right now. So its trevor lawrence is gonna go back to school. No free agents will come here , no hc will come here. 

[HawkeyeJet]

If the Jets start drafting well and start turning things around with a new coach and a new QB, FAs in a year or two won't give two rips about this.

[Sonny Werblin]

34 minutes ago, SAR I said:

We actually don't want expensive free agents.  We want to build from within.  We want to re-sign our own players who are beloved.  We want to draft well.  We want to find quality players via UFA.

If we are very certain he's not another carpetbagger, if we are positive he's a high-character guy, then we sign another Crowder, someone who actually wants to play for wins, not cash.

This is the New England way.  This is the Baltimore way.  This is the Philadelphia way.  We hired Joe Douglas for a reason.

SAR I

Totally agree with this. But, why is it that talented players don't seem to like to play for Gase? I mean we drafted Adams and one year of Gase was enough for him to conclude the you've got to make the highest paid defensive player in the NFL if you want me to stay here.  Is Gase going to chase off every talented player the Jets draft. That is certainly not the way the good teams do it. They keep the talented players they draft.

[Coffee Is Great]

The goal is to get to the point where you don't have to rely on big name free agents as the core of the team. You plug a hole here and there but the bulk of the roster will be built through the draft. 

Mac's general philosophy was striking out in the draft and then throwing together a mishmash team of older veteran free agents in hopes of a one-off playoff shot. The only decent season we've had recently was 2015 when Mac "accomplished" this with Fitz, Marshall, Decker, etc--and 1) we still didn't make the playoffs 2) we immediately crashed and burned after that brief era and have been a disaster ever since. Mac tried to repeat that strategy with the signings of Bell, T. Johnson, etc and failed miserably. 

If anything, how Douglas handled disgruntled good players is a positive to free agents: if you aren't happy here I'll grant you your wish and get you to another team.

Most importantly, as they say: if you build it, they will come. If we build a good team FAs will want to come here.