Total Amnesia

[Ecuadorian Jet]

I'm not sure if I have entered the twilight zone, but it appears that most if not all Jets fans have developed this weird case of selective amnesia.

Somehow they have forgotten that each year sports media goes crazy about every prospect that comes out. Somehow they have also forgotten that 2021 will not be the last draft for the nfl.

Also lost in their memories, is that a single player, as decent as any right-out-of-college player could be, will not turn around this team.

Incredibly, it seems that fans of this board do not recall that this team is devoid of talent, and in some categories needs at least two players, such as in LB, CB, WR TE, without counting crucial position in which require one really good talented individual such as HC, C, G, RB, EDGE.

Maybe, these fans have not lost their memory, and I'm just not that clear on what is the most appropriate course of action.

Imho, the absolute worst thing you could do is bring any young QB to this disarray and do to him what you have done to Darnold, who, let's not forget, is our current first round QB.

If you are so twisted to root for losing, cool, but how about this, maybe crazy, idea. Trade that top pick for as many top round picks as possible and fill those crucial holes: C, WR, RB, EDGE, CB. You can do surely handle some of those in free agency, but not all. Trying to do all of it and bring a young prospect is too many variables in a single experiment. First you fill in the holes, then following year , or when you fill good about talent positions, you invest in QB.

If my ideas are simply deranged, please enlighten me.

[JTJet]

But but...muh Trev

You are 100% right. Trev may very well be fantastic in the NFL, he certainly checks all the boxes and has a fantastic track record in college. Yesterday was a sight to behold. 

But I cannot wrap my head around this board what so ever, amnesia is a good word to use for it. I see many people on here just see the prized object without any discussion to nuance what so ever.

My biggest concern is the mental health of the board when we DONT get him. Dead serious. When it dawns on people we missed out by one pick, or he doesnt declare, or god forbid we actually pass on him lol. 90% of the board will need to be put on suicide watch. 

[The Gooch]

HAVE NO FEAR!  THE GOOCH IS HERE!!!!

[Jet Nut]

21 minutes ago, JTJet said:

My biggest concern is the mental health of the board when we DONT get him. Dead serious. When it dawns on people we missed out by one pick, or he doesnt declare, or god forbid we actually pass on him lol. 90% of the board will need to be put on suicide watch. 

Two out of these three wont ever happen.  Hes declaring, he basically has already and we're not passing on him if we're sitting there with the pick.  Unless somehow Sam thrives on this talent lacking team.  Which is pretty much impossible but if it happens we wont be able to pick Trev anyway.  Or Sam showed enough and we would trade the Trevor pick for a boatload of draft picks.  Which always makes the internet GMs happy 

[predator_05]

 

30 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I'm not sure if I have entered the twilight zone, but it appears that most of not all Jets fans have developed this weird case of selective amnesia.

Somehow they have forgotten that each year sports media goes crazy about every prospect that comes out. Somehow they have also forgotten that 2021 will not be the last draft for the nfl.

Also lost in their memories, is that a single player, as decent as any right-out-of-college player could be, will not turn around this team.

Incredibly, it seems that fans of this board do not recall that this team is devoid of talent, and in some categories needs at least two players, such as in LB, CB, WR TE, without counting crucial position in which require one really good talented individual such as HC, C, G, RB, EDGE.

Maybe, these fans have not lost their memory, and I'm just not that clear on what is the most appropriate course of action.

Imho, the absolute worst thing you could do is bring any young QB to this disarray and do to him what you have done to Darnold, who, let's not forget, is our current first round QB.

If you are so twisted to root for losing, cool, but how about this, maybe crazy, idea. Trader that top pick for as many top round picks as possible and fill those crucial holes: C, WR, RB, EDGE, CB. You can do surely handle some of those in free agency, but not all. Trying to do all of it and bring a young prospect is too many variables in a single experiment. First you fill in the holes, then following year , or when you fill good about talent positions, you invest in QB.

If my ideas are simply deranged, please enlighten me.

 

You're right, but in moments of adversity, people don't like logic or rational thought; they prefer hope.

Politicians - not just in America, but around the world - know this works like a charm; just tell people everything is terrible and then promise 'hope'. 

Sports fans are prone to the same knee-jerk reactions; they want hope. Quick fixes. A savior. Instant relief. None of which is forthcoming, but there you go. 

[sciond]

what else do we have?

[joewilly12]

I used to enjoy drinking large amounts of beer while watching NY Jets games the current situation has ruined that for me I no longer feel like drinking i'm so aggravated. 

[freestater]

Counterpoint

[Jet_Engine1]

1 minute ago, freestater said:

Counterpoint

[Alka]

53 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I'm not sure if I have entered the twilight zone, but it appears that most of not all Jets fans have developed this weird case of selective amnesia.

Somehow they have forgotten that each year sports media goes crazy about every prospect that comes out. Somehow they have also forgotten that 2021 will not be the last draft for the nfl.

Also lost in their memories, is that a single player, as decent as any right-out-of-college player could be, will not turn around this team.

Incredibly, it seems that fans of this board do not recall that this team is devoid of talent, and in some categories needs at least two players, such as in LB, CB, WR TE, without counting crucial position in which require one really good talented individual such as HC, C, G, RB, EDGE.

Maybe, these fans have not lost their memory, and I'm just not that clear on what is the most appropriate course of action.

Imho, the absolute worst thing you could do is bring any young QB to this disarray and do to him what you have done to Darnold, who, let's not forget, is our current first round QB.

If you are so twisted to root for losing, cool, but how about this, maybe crazy, idea. Trader that top pick for as many top round picks as possible and fill those crucial holes: C, WR, RB, EDGE, CB. You can do surely handle some of those in free agency, but not all. Trying to do all of it and bring a young prospect is too many variables in a single experiment. First you fill in the holes, then following year , or when you fill good about talent positions, you invest in QB.

If my ideas are simply deranged, please enlighten me.

When Sam Darnold was selected by the Jets, the feeling among fans, coaches and players alike were very positive.  He was to be our savior, and it was time to lure great free agents to come to the Jets and start winning.  

That feeling is now gone.  Players want out of here, and it will be difficult to lure a great coach, free agent players and to build on a feeling of positivity. 

Now, we have a once in a decade type of quarterback coming out of the draft, that can immediately give hope to this pathetic franchise that is the NY Jets.

If we are in a position to draft him, it is a no-brainer; you get him!

Yes, we might have ruined Darnold, and yes, he might have not been what we had all hoped for when he was picked by the Jets, but at present, it ain't working out, and it is time to cut our losses and move on, if we have the opportunity to do so.

If we don't have that opportunity, then you surround Darnold with the best players at the biggest positions of need, and you move forward.

If you are starting a new football team from scratch, the first player you pick is the quarterback, if that quarterback is a generational pick.

So, you are not deranged; I just disagree with you if we have the chance to draft Lawrence.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

14 minutes ago, Alka said:

Now, we have a once in a decade type of quarterback coming out of the draft, that can immediately give hope to this pathetic franchise that is the NY Jets.

 

Really? Once in a decade type?

Based on the estimations of the media draft gurus?

[heymangold]

you obviously don't watch college football.
i also have my reservations about the draft but this dude is legit.
this team has also never had a good coach before, hopefully it will change this offseason
QBs are what make the league go round - if the jets were to pass on the guy that EVERY analyst, draft guru, FAN is deeming the man, do you want to be around for this team being even more of a joke than it already is?
who would you draft?  a tackle?  a WR?  a DL? - the draft is a crapshoot no matter what position you're taking.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

3 minutes ago, heymangold said:

you obviously don't watch college football.
i also have my reservations about the draft but this dude is legit.
this team has also never had a good coach before, hopefully it will change this offseason
QBs are what make the league go round - if the jets were to pass on the guy that EVERY analyst, draft guru, FAN is deeming the man, do you want to be around for this team being even more of a joke than it already is?
who would you draft?  a tackle?  a WR?  a DL? - the draft is a crapshoot no matter what position you're taking.

It's true that I do not watch college football. Tried it and could never get into it.

So if investing in a prospect is a risky affair as you say, which I agree, why not reduce the risk? diversify, get yourself out of the most risk, and pick several players, because clearly we are not nowhere near ready to properly handle this upcoming QB prospect if he is any good.

[Charlie Brown]

1 hour ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I'm not sure if I have entered the twilight zone, but it appears that most of not all Jets fans have developed this weird case of selective amnesia.

Somehow they have forgotten that each year sports media goes crazy about every prospect that comes out. Somehow they have also forgotten that 2021 will not be the last draft for the nfl.

Also lost in their memories, is that a single player, as decent as any right-out-of-college player could be, will not turn around this team.

Incredibly, it seems that fans of this board do not recall that this team is devoid of talent, and in some categories needs at least two players, such as in LB, CB, WR TE, without counting crucial position in which require one really good talented individual such as HC, C, G, RB, EDGE.

Maybe, these fans have not lost their memory, and I'm just not that clear on what is the most appropriate course of action.

Imho, the absolute worst thing you could do is bring any young QB to this disarray and do to him what you have done to Darnold, who, let's not forget, is our current first round QB.

If you are so twisted to root for losing, cool, but how about this, maybe crazy, idea. Trader that top pick for as many top round picks as possible and fill those crucial holes: C, WR, RB, EDGE, CB. You can do surely handle some of those in free agency, but not all. Trying to do all of it and bring a young prospect is too many variables in a single experiment. First you fill in the holes, then following year , or when you fill good about talent positions, you invest in QB.

If my ideas are simply deranged, please enlighten me.

Thank you!

This is why I said little to nothing when the refrain out here was "SUCK FOR SAM" and I was saying that the Jets organization has never developed a QB needing help.

I said then that the same people claiming for the tank would be crucifying Sam Darnold later on when he doesn't lift the garbage team around him and why I was on board for drafting Baker Mayfield because he didn't require as much development.

Then people said "Darnold is too good for the Jets to ruin" and now some of the same folk who are at it yet AGAIN are in for a tank for Lawrence.

And guess what these are some of the same folk who now want to run from Sam or call him a BUST.

This was all too predictable, which is somewhat sad...

Me, yes I think Lawrence's baseline is better than Darnold's and would have thought so  based on their college body of work had they both been coming out at the same time.  Also Lawrence doesn't need all of the development he is  a further along prospect.

Yet with all that said, NFL football isn't golf, guys can get hurt even in practice, so just saying a tank will work out is risky and is especially risky when said team acquiring talent through said tank is the Jets!

We really have to hope that the Jets under JD knows what he is doing and isn't too wedded to Gase.  Other than that we are in for anther 3 years at least of bumpy nonsense...

[Ecuadorian Jet]

2 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

 We really have to hope that the Jets under JD knows what he is doing and isn't too wedded to Gase.  Other than that we are in for anther 3 years at least of bumpy nonsense...

This part worries me a lot, because I think they are.

[predator_05]

51 minutes ago, sciond said:

what else do we have?

 

Your neighborhood book club?

 

[Sonny Werblin]

My perspective on this has always been that great QB alone is not enough. You need a great team, and Sam plus the players resulting from the jets 2021 draft capital makes a better team than Trevor plus the players you get as a result of trading Sam. 

[Charlie Brown]

9 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

This part worries me a lot, because I think they are.

Me as well!!!

This is why I say that we have at least 3 YEARS from now from this foolishness.

And folks will say when it invariably happens no one could have known and no one said anything.....

That is why I said it is sad!  

But you did say it!

[RSJ]

I could be wrong and Lawrence could take up skateboarding and smoking meth. But as a prospect right now he is the best thrower I have ever seen. Go back and look at how quick the Broncos were good when they got Elway. Thats how quick I think he could turn this team around. If the Jets are so lucky to get him they will complete for the playoffs next year.


Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

[derp]

There are a few appealing things about having the #1 pick in a draft with a prospect as highly regarded as Lawrence.

One is that there’s actually an opportunity to be a good destination for a legitimate coach. That gets better if a few of the injured rookies show well this year. If the GM is good and you’ve got a potential star quarterback on a rookie deal, maybe one bad contract on the entire roster, tons of cap space, and another first round pick plus two the following year...there’s an opportunity to build something from the ground up. The Jets have always been a gross destination and I think that situation makes it as appealing as it can be with the Johnson’s.

The other is that there’s an opportunity to build around a quarterback on a rookie deal, with a lot of first round picks and some cap space as well. Something we all knew but not a lot of people wanted to talk about was that Darnold’s contract situation and the rebuild didn’t align. If Douglas starts this thing fresh with a new coach and quarterback, good on him for having things set up nicely to build a team from scratch with the rebuild and the new coaching staff and quarterback starting at the same time there are multiple draft picks and there is cap space. When is the last time the Jets did that?

[RSJ]

There are a few appealing things about having the #1 pick in a draft with a prospect as highly regarded as Lawrence.
One is that there’s actually an opportunity to be a good destination for a legitimate coach. That gets better if a few of the injured rookies show well this year. If the GM is good and you’ve got a potential star quarterback on a rookie deal, maybe one bad contract on the entire roster, tons of cap space, and another first round pick plus two the following year...there’s an opportunity to build something from the ground up. The Jets have always been a gross destination and I think that situation makes it as appealing as it can be with the Johnson’s.
The other is that there’s an opportunity to build around a quarterback on a rookie deal, with a lot of first round picks and some cap space as well. Something we all knew but not a lot of people wanted to talk about was that Darnold’s contract situation and the rebuild didn’t align. If Douglas starts this thing fresh with a new coach and quarterback, good on him for having things set up nicely to build a team from scratch with the rebuild and the new coaching staff and quarterback starting at the same time there are multiple draft picks and there is cap space. When is the last time the Jets did that?

I dont think Gase is going anyplace. I think this is all by design.


Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

[heymangold]

1 hour ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

It's true that I do not watch college football. Tried it and could never get into it.

So if investing in a prospect is a risky affair as you say, which I agree, why not reduce the risk? diversify, get yourself out of the most risk, and pick several players, because clearly we are not nowhere near ready to properly handle this upcoming QB prospect if he is any good.

this coach isn't.  the next coach should be.

[kevinc855]

I think drafting Trevor IF we get number 1 be silly.

To many holes, trade it, surround Sam with weapons and actually let him succeed.

[Jet_Engine1]

1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

To many wholes

[fltflo]

I don’t care what everyone else thinks, to pass on TL would be like when we passed up Marino or Warren Sapp.
This kid is one of the most spectacular QB prospects to come out in 20 years.
He put up almost 400 yards and 5 TD’s against one interception, IN THE FIRST HALF, yesterday !!
You give TL the weapons and a decent O line and we could have the worst defense in the NFL and he still would take us to the promise land.


Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

[PepPep]

4 hours ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I'm not sure if I have entered the twilight zone, but it appears that most if not all Jets fans have developed this weird case of selective amnesia.

Somehow they have forgotten that each year sports media goes crazy about every prospect that comes out. Somehow they have also forgotten that 2021 will not be the last draft for the nfl.

Also lost in their memories, is that a single player, as decent as any right-out-of-college player could be, will not turn around this team.

Incredibly, it seems that fans of this board do not recall that this team is devoid of talent, and in some categories needs at least two players, such as in LB, CB, WR TE, without counting crucial position in which require one really good talented individual such as HC, C, G, RB, EDGE.

Maybe, these fans have not lost their memory, and I'm just not that clear on what is the most appropriate course of action.

Imho, the absolute worst thing you could do is bring any young QB to this disarray and do to him what you have done to Darnold, who, let's not forget, is our current first round QB.

If you are so twisted to root for losing, cool, but how about this, maybe crazy, idea. Trade that top pick for as many top round picks as possible and fill those crucial holes: C, WR, RB, EDGE, CB. You can do surely handle some of those in free agency, but not all. Trying to do all of it and bring a young prospect is too many variables in a single experiment. First you fill in the holes, then following year , or when you fill good about talent positions, you invest in QB.

If my ideas are simply deranged, please enlighten me.

Here's the problem. Franchise QBs don't grow on trees, you either have to have a fantastic scouting and developmental department which will allow you to get one somewhere outside of the top 3-5 picks in the draft (THE JETS DON'T HAVE THAT) OR you have to trade the farm to move up for one a la RGIII (THE JETS CAN'T AFFORD THAT) OR when you by chance happen to luck into the #1 pick in a year when there is a consensus top QB prospect who is pretty much guaranteed to go #1 overall...YOU TAKE HIM AND DON'T LOOK BACK. 

Because mind you, one of the most critical positions to build around is a young QB and if the Jets are not confident in Darnold being that guy moving forward and don't intend on extending him, passing on Lawrence would me monumentally stupid. 

Furthermore, and maybe this is not quite the same with the Jets, but if the Jets get a chance to draft Lawrence, that means they went 0-16, maybe 1-15 and Gase would certainly lose his job. It seems like he's lost the locker room already and it's just a matter of time. And I'm certain the Jets would look for someone to suit Lawrence and draft to help Lawrence (O-line, WR)...despite what some JD non-supporters may think.