jgb Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: Yeah I’m old school and don’t believe in switching teams, but I don’t blame anyone who does switch. Sports should be treated like any other consumer product. If it sucks, go somewhere else, buy somewhere else. As excited as I get when the Jets are good (rarity) and as much cursing as I do during the games, once that whistle blows I’m not emotionally invested. I just don’t spend my Sundays watching them or my money supporting them when they’re sh*tty like this. If they were consistently good and had a down year or two, that’s different. But when you’re missing not only the playoffs but a winning record for a decade (sans 1 season) that franchise doesn’t deserve sh*t until it turns it around. You're my spirit animal. Adoni Beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Sounds like hopping on the bandwagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, peebag said: This. F*ck fake fans. Ok, but why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Anyone who changes teams deserves the bullet. Northern Irish Unionist Jet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Changing teams as an adult shows a lack of integrity, commitment and loyalty. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, TMAC said: Had dinner in Manhattan with my younger brother last night. He was telling me about a bar where Ravens fan hang out. His son-in-law is a Ravens fan and, after 51 years of rooting for the Jets, he's "changed jerseys." This year was the breaking point and he has no regrets. In this day and age, with RedZone and NFL package, with the internet and access to news from anywhere at anytime, rooting for a team in a "foreign" city is so much easier. You're just not locked in like you were in the past. You can follow your team and its players as if they were playing locally. Even go to home or away games in person if you like. Unfortunately, even though I would like to be able to root for a team that actually has a chance to play in the post season and, wonder of wonders, play in the Super Bowl, I'm just not able to shed the Green and White. They were the first sports team that I loved and when they actually played well so long ago, it was a beautiful thing. So I am stuck with this fraud misrepresenting itself as a professional football team once again. I wish my brother and all the other lucky ones good luck. I really hate what Woody and Chris Johnson have done. Obviously your parents have lied to you. He’s not your brother. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, jgb said: You're my spirit animal. Adoni Beast. JGB and Adoni heading out to MetLife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Creepy Lurker said: How can you change teams? I could never do that. I would just quit following the stupid sport like with the Knicks. I follow the Jets for pure comedy now. F all sports honestly. Exactly. I quit all of baseball in 1996 and if I ever went back I would be a Mets fan again. I will always be a Jets fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said: I get what you're saying. However you can still be a football fan in general. I love the game of football, I love the coaching and the competition. I think it's okay to admire other teams from afar and a good game is a good game! The last few years we had some really great Super Bowls. Watching the Chiefs offense, it's like they're Bionic! I like characters like Jon Gruden and Bill Belichick it makes the league fun. But you absolutely HAVE TO root for your hometown team! Unless you're from someplace else, there's no exceptions! I'm from Strong Island, and this is Jetnation plain and simple. You don't put eggs on cheeseburgers, you don't put chocolate on pizza, and you definitely never ever drink a Zima! Totally, but that's not what we're talking about here. I love football. Watch as much college and NFL as I can. Sometimes when I'm starved in the offseason I watch XFL, Canadian, etc. But being a "fan" of a team is different. I just don't think you can change your fandom as an adult, and if you do you were never really much of a fan to begin with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Wonderboy said: JGB and Adoni heading out to MetLife. More like That's us getting a bite with @Jetsfan80 and @Hackenberg - Banned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Warfish said: Northern Irish Unionist Jet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, jgb said: More like That's us getting a bite with @Jetsfan80 and @Hackenberg - Banned Party at MetLife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, TMAC said: Had dinner in Manhattan with my younger brother last night. He was telling me about a bar where Ravens fan hang out. His son-in-law is a Ravens fan and, after 51 years of rooting for the Jets, he's "changed jerseys." This year was the breaking point and he has no regrets. In this day and age, with RedZone and NFL package, with the internet and access to news from anywhere at anytime, rooting for a team in a "foreign" city is so much easier. You're just not locked in like you were in the past. You can follow your team and its players as if they were playing locally. Even go to home or away games in person if you like. Unfortunately, even though I would like to be able to root for a team that actually has a chance to play in the post season and, wonder of wonders, play in the Super Bowl, I'm just not able to shed the Green and White. They were the first sports team that I loved and when they actually played well so long ago, it was a beautiful thing. So I am stuck with this fraud misrepresenting itself as a professional football team once again. I wish my brother and all the other lucky ones good luck. I really hate what Woody and Chris Johnson have done. Hi TMac, thank you for sharing but did you brother change his private parts as well? I mean, come'on!!!! No but seriously, how is he lucky??? He picked his team, there is no luck involved in picking the bandwagon you're hoping on. Did he become a Lakers and Dodgers fans too this year? OMG HE IS SO LUCKY!!! HOW DOES 1 PERSON HAVE SO MUCH LUCK??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbloodblitz Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Totally, but that's not what we're talking about here. I love football. Watch as much college and NFL as I can. Sometimes when I'm starved in the offseason I watch XFL, Canadian, etc. But being a "fan" of a team is different. I just don't think you can change your fandom as an adult, and if you do you were never really much of a fan to begin with. Yes that's what I said! Maybe you only read the first part? LOL. I said it's okay to be a football fan in general, but you have to stick to your home team. I was agreeing with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: Yeah I’m old school and don’t believe in switching teams, but I don’t blame anyone who does switch. Sports should be treated like any other consumer product. If it sucks, go somewhere else, buy somewhere else. As excited as I get when the Jets are good (rarity) and as much cursing as I do during the games, once that whistle blows I’m not emotionally invested. I just don’t spend my Sundays watching them or my money supporting them when they’re sh*tty like this. If they were consistently good and had a down year or two, that’s different. But when you’re missing not only the playoffs but a winning record for a decade (sans 1 season) that franchise doesn’t deserve sh*t until it turns it around. There's a massive difference between not supporting a bad product and actively claiming and rooting for another team. If you just don't want to spend your time watching the Jets suck, more power to you. If you join Chiefs Planet and talk about what a big win we had against the Bills yesterday you're a tool. The only rational reason to spend any time on a message board like this is because at a young age you had a certain passion for a team ingrained in you that you just can't shake. There is zero rational, justifiable reason for any of us to actually care about the outcomes of Jets games beyond the fact that we always have. So flipping that and pretending to be a "fan" of another team is idiotic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: There's a massive difference between not supporting a bad product and actively claiming and rooting for another team. If you just don't want to spend your time watching the Jets suck, more power to you. If you join Chiefs Planet and talk about what a big win we had against the Bills yesterday you're a tool. The only rational reason to spend any time on a message board like this is because at a young age you had a certain passion for a team ingrained in you that you just can't shake. There is zero rational, justifiable reason for any of us to actually care about the outcomes of Jets games beyond the fact that we always have. So flipping that and pretending to be a "fan" of another team is idiotic. You know... a lot of the older generation became Jets fans because Joe Willie was just so cool. My dad grew up a Bills fan. He's now been a fan for 55 years. I guess he's "tool" though because he switched at some point. Root for whoever you want for whatever reason you want. The Jets suck. I don't blame anyone from moving on at this point. Fact is 99.9% of the people who post here ain't going anywhere anyway. Sure there are the @HessStations and the nicos but other than that this "real fan/fake fan" gatekeeping chest thumbing is really just masturbation among the like-minded. Society has found some dumb azz shee to compete about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Go Titans!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I'm a fan of whoever plays the Jets. I'm a winner. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Rasmussen Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Switching teams is Front Running in my book.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MykePM Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Jetster said: Anyone can change teams but there is no way in hell that if JD turned them around & they started dominating the division & going to the playoffs every year you wouldn't be slinking back in all I'M A JET FAN LIKE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MykePM Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Dupe. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said: There's a massive difference between not supporting a bad product and actively claiming and rooting for another team. If you just don't want to spend your time watching the Jets suck, more power to you. If you join Chiefs Planet and talk about what a big win we had against the Bills yesterday you're a tool. The only rational reason to spend any time on a message board like this is because at a young age you had a certain passion for a team ingrained in you that you just can't shake. There is zero rational, justifiable reason for any of us to actually care about the outcomes of Jets games beyond the fact that we always have. So flipping that and pretending to be a "fan" of another team is idiotic. Why are you a Jets Fan? Is there some immutable aspect of you as a human being that requires you be? Or did you at some point make a choice, likely as a very young, poorly informed, person, as to who you "liked" in sports? If you made a choice as to who to like, why could you not make another, more informed, choice to revise that? Better yet, what if the circumstances of your initial choice have changed completely, and now a different choice might provide you a material increase in both enjoyment and personal satisfaction? What is it about being a "sports fan" that says it must be set in stone, then buried in concrete, at age 8 or 9 or 11, and then never ever altered again? And why would others look down upon people who do decide to change for their own personal betterment? What difference does that make to anyone but that individual fan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I really only renew my Jets fandom every year to talk sh*t on this board. I’m a fan of the JN crazies. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, greenwichjetfan said: I really only renew my Jets fandom every year to talk sh*t on this board. I’m a fan of the JN crazies. It will be a little bittersweet when the Jets are good again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Warfish said: Why are you a Jets Fan? Is there some immutable aspect of you as a human being that requires you be? Or did you at some point make a choice, likely as a very young, poorly informed, person, as to who you "liked" in sports? If you made a choice as to who to like, why could you not make another, more informed, choice to revise that? Better yet, what if the circumstances of your initial choice have changed completely, and now a different choice might provide you a material increase in both enjoyment and personal satisfaction? What is it about being a "sports fan" that says it must be set in stone, then buried in concrete, at age 8 or 9 or 11, and then never ever altered again? And why would others look down upon people who do decide to change for their own personal betterment? What difference does that make to anyone but that individual fan? It's one of the more clever ruses of marketing that equated "fan loyalty" with masculinity. It would be like saying if you change your brand of toothpaste, you're an anti-dentite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jago Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 hours ago, bitonti said: i thought this thread was going to be about Captain Steve McClendon and the other lucky ones that got out of town i thought it was about a Matt Helm movie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, heymangold said: Sounds like hopping on the bandwagon Except my soon-to-be-new team also sucks balls. I am now a Fan of the hypothetical future 2022, post-Dan Snyder, newly named, Washington Warthogs. And since they're close to as horrible as we are, it's not bandwagoning, it's a "where I live the last 35 years" vs. "where I lived till I was 11" decision, lol. Note: All future team loyalty decisions are preliminary and will be based on certain hopes and dreams coming true that almost assuredly won't, and I'll still be stuck with these horrible dumpster fire Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, Warfish said: Why are you a Jets Fan? Is there some immutable aspect of you as a human being that requires you be? Or did you at some point make a choice, likely as a very young, poorly informed, person, as to who you "liked" in sports? If you made a choice as to who to like, why could you not make another, more informed, choice to revise that? Better yet, what if the circumstances of your initial choice have changed completely, and now a different choice might provide you a material increase in both enjoyment and personal satisfaction? What is it about being a "sports fan" that says it must be set in stone, then buried in concrete, at age 8 or 9 or 11, and then never ever altered again? And why would others look down upon people who do decide to change for their own personal betterment? What difference does that make to anyone but that individual fan? You're trying to use logic to argue something that is inherently illogical. Sports fandom doesn't make any sense. A given sports franchise winning a game shouldn't make you feel good, nor should any of us care that the New York Jets are the worst team in the NFL. It has no bearing on any of our lives at all -- and I think for most of us as we get older it matters less and less. But we do because (as I've pointed out more than once in this thread) passion for the Jets was instilled in us at a young age. I have zero problem judging people who, no longer young, decide they are now "rooting for" a different team and attempting to derive pleasure through something that can only be understood as a deep-seated passion to begin with. They're frauds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: You're trying to use logic to argue something that is inherently illogical. It's only illogical if you let your feelings rule you. Are you one of those "ruled by your feelings, not your brain" kinda guys Untouchable? I wouldn't have guessed that. 24 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Sports fandom doesn't make any sense. Sure it does. Most team fans become so because: 1. They live in the town the team plays in/near. 2. An adult they love/respect roots for that team. 3. They like they logo, the colors, or some other aesthetic aspect. 4. They have a "moment" where someone takes them to a game of that team. Pretty simple really, and perfectly understandable given the very young age most of us become fans. But we're not 8 years old. Or 9. Or 11. We're all adults, and perfectly capable of making adult, informed, decisions. 24 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: A given sports franchise winning a game shouldn't make you feel good, nor should any of us care that the New York Jets are the worst team in the NFL. It has no bearing on any of our lives at all -- and I think for most of us as we get older it matters less and less. I think this lacks understanding of basic human brain chemistry my friend. 24 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: But we do because (as I've pointed out more than once in this thread) passion for the Jets was instilled in us at a young age. So was a love for little green Army men, Star Wars figures, and Transformers. Doesn;t mean I am forced to buy and play with those today in my mid forties (I still DO, but it's a choice, they're collectables, f'off they're MY toys!) 24 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: I have zero problem judging people who, no longer young, decide they are now "rooting for" a different team and attempting to derive pleasure through something that can only be understood as a deep-seated passion to begin with. They're frauds. You're judgementalism borders on radical extremism and certain forms of obsessive-compulsive insanity. Just say'in. Maybe care more about you and what you do, and less about others that have no bearing on you in any way? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Warfish said: It's only illogical if you let your feelings rule you. Are you one of those "ruled by your feelings, not your brain" kinda guys Untouchable? I wouldn't have guessed that. I guess if you aren't emotionally invested (to an extent that wouldn't make much sense to an outside observer) in the outcome of the games I don't really see you as a "fan" at all. If you casually watch, don't really care who wins, and just watch the Jets and Giants because they're on in the local market then I'm not talking about you. I would assume that doesn't apply to most of the folks on here with hundreds if not thousands of posts on a Jets message board, either. Just now, Warfish said: Sure it does. Most team fans become so because: 1. They live in the town the team plays in/near. 2. An adult they love/respect roots for that team. 3. They like they logo, the colors, or some other aesthetic aspect. 4. They have a "moment" where someone takes them to a game of that team. Pretty simple really, and perfectly understandable given the very young age most of us become fans. You're kind of making my point for me -- that the only fandom that "makes sense" is one that is established at a young, formative age and subsequently one that you go on a journey with. Just now, Warfish said: I think this lacks understanding of basic human brain chemistry my friend. You're talking out two sides of your mouth here. You're telling me that I shouldn't be ruled by emotions then turning around and saying an objective view of the irrelevance of pro sports outcomes doesn't jive with brain chemistry. My whole point here is that I can objectively say "it shouldn't matter that the Jets are the worst team in the NFL" but it does because I've been rooting for this stupid team for 20+ years and that journey as a fan has linked me to them in a way that prevents me from just making a business decision to choose a more attractive option. Just now, Warfish said: So was a love for little green Army men, Star Wars figures, and Transformers. Doesn;t mean I am forced to buy and play with those today in my mid forties (I still DO, but it's a choice, they're collectables, f'off they're MY toys!) You're judgementalism borders on radical extremism and certain forms of obsessive-compulsive insanity. Just say'in. You seem to be confused about how much I care about these people. Do I seem upset? There's nothing radical about looking at someone who's been a Jets fan for 30 years and has abruptly decided he actually derives joy from rooting for the Chiefs and saying "that guy is a tool." Just now, Warfish said: Maybe care more about you and what you do, and less about others that have no bearing on you in any way? Just a thought. What a preposterously arrogant, stupid, and condescending thing to say to someone you literally don't know at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: I guess if you aren't emotionally invested (to an extent that wouldn't make much sense to an outside observer) in the outcome of the games I don't really see you as a "fan" at all. If you casually watch, don't really care who wins, and just watch the Jets and Giants because they're on in the local market then I'm not talking about you. I would assume that doesn't apply to most of the folks on here with hundreds if not thousands of posts on a Jets message board, either. Safe to say all of us dumb fools are well beyond "emotionally invested", I agree. But I'm also emotionally invested in a wife, yet people get divorced all the time. I'm invested in friends, yet friendships end all the time, often over the smallest things. Point being, things you emotionally invest in can be intellectually set aside if/when needed. Quote You're kind of making my point for me -- that the only fandom that "makes sense" is one that is established at a young, formative age and subsequently one that you go on a journey with. I don't agree. And I'm a living example: I grew up in NY and rooted the Mets cause Dad rooted the Mets, we went to Shea a bunch of times, and they won the Series in 1986 when I was a pre-teen. Then I moved down here to NoVA, and forgot about MLB whilst trying to GET to the MLB myself. When i cam back to baseball, I became a Nats Fan. I feel about them the same way I feel about the Jets. Is my fandom in your view wrong? Are you calling me a fraud? Are you calling me a tool? Seems like you say are, I'd tell you "lol, yeah sure". Quote You're talking out two sides of your mouth here. You're telling me that I shouldn't be ruled by emotions then turning around and saying an objective view of the irrelevance of pro sports outcomes doesn't jive with brain chemistry. No, I'm saying that if you don't know why "A given sports franchise winning a game shouldn't make you feel good" but does, then you don't understand brain chemistry, because the "feeling good" part is mostly that. Quote You seem to be confused about how much I care about these people. Do I seem upset? Yes. You used a pretty heavy word "fraud" to describe people who choose to change teams. That's a fighting word if you said it to a man's face, I'm sure you know that. So yeah, I think you DO seem both judgmental and angry that someone else you don't know or have any relationship would choose to change teams. if I'm wrong, I only have your posts to go on remember. Quote There's nothing radical about looking at someone who's been a Jets fan for 30 years and has abruptly decided he actually derives joy from rooting for the Chiefs and saying "that guy is a tool." What difference does it make to you what they do? And what makes them a "tool"? Again, you seem both very angry that someoen might do this, and VERY judgmental towards them. Do you call people who change religions "tools"? Do you call someone who changed political party affiliations "tools"? What about toothpaste or fast food loyalties? Or divorce? Just curious if this is only sports team changes that make someone a "tool" or does it include any other form of consumer product brand loyalty? Quote What a preposterously arrogant, stupid, and condescending thing to say to someone you literally don't know at all. I only know you from what you write. Same way you only know the "frauds" and "tools" you are so angrily and aggressively denouncing by the one things being discussed, changing team loyalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I always have a back-up team to root for once the Jets are out of it, which is normally around week 4. There are some rules though. When aren't there, right? Anyway, no one from the AFC East, not the Giants, and no one that is a SB favorite (no front running allowed). When Luck was with Indy, they were my back-up team. Last season it was the Ravens. This season it is the Titans because I had to disallow myself the Ravens this season because they are one of the SB favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 hours ago, TMAC said: So I am stuck with this fraud misrepresenting itself as a professional football team once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Safe to say all of us dumb fools are well beyond "emotionally invested", I agree. But I'm also emotionally invested in a wife, yet people get divorced all the time. I'm invested in friends, yet friendships end all the time, often over the smallest things. Point being, things you emotionally invest in can be intellectually set aside if/when needed. I don't agree. And I'm a living example: I grew up in NY and rooted the Mets cause Dad rooted the Mets, we went to Shea a bunch of times, and they won the Series in 1986 when I was a pre-teen. Then I moved down here to NoVA, and forgot about MLB whilst trying to GET to the MLB myself. When i cam back to baseball, I became a Nats Fan. I feel about them the same way I feel about the Jets. Is my fandom in your view wrong? Are you calling me a fraud? Are you calling me a tool? Seems like you say are, I'd tell you "lol, yeah sure". No, I'm saying that if you don't know why "A given sports franchise winning a game shouldn't make you feel good" but does, then you don't understand brain chemistry, because the "feeling good" part is mostly that. Yes. You used a pretty heavy word "fraud" to describe people who choose to change teams. That's a fighting word if you said it to a man's face, I'm sure you know that. So yeah, I think you DO seem both judgmental and angry that someone else you don't know or have any relationship would choose to change teams. if I'm wrong, I only have your posts to go on remember. What difference does it make to you what they do? And what makes them a "tool"? Again, you seem both very angry that someoen might do this, and VERY judgmental towards them. Do you call people who change religions "tools"? Do you call someone who changed political party affiliations "tools"? What about toothpaste or fast food loyalties? Or divorce? Just curious if this is only sports team changes that make someone a "tool" or does it include any other form of consumer product brand loyalty? I only know you from what you write. Same way you only know the "frauds" and "tools" you are so angrily and aggressively denouncing by the one things being discussed, changing team loyalties. Lol ok dude, relax. You’re taking this waaaaay too seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 hours ago, BROOKLYN JET said: If you got to do it all over again, would you still pick the Jets? Absolutely not. I'd have been a Giants' fan. 4 SB titles and plenty of great games along the way. It would suck right now but, the truth is the NFL pretty much sucks in general these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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