Warfish Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 So we've had endless threads about how dumb it was to move Anderson. Because JD should have known he'd be this awesome...here? Which he clearly didn't. So it begs the REAL question: Why is Robby Anderson a contender for best WR in the NFL in Carolina, when he was an afterthought of a player/producer here in New York his entire career? What would the Jets have had to do/change to get this level of production for Anderson? Rather than "just resign Anderson", this question is IMO the more important. What ELSE would Douglas have had to do to get THIS Anderson for us in 2020, because simply resigning him is clearly not enough. So presuming Anderson is a great as he is showing in CAR, how could WE have gotten that? Please, be specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 Adam Gase vs Matt Rhule and Joe Brady, Next question! 12 4 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bungaman Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 Robbie's present coaching staff isn't so concerned about forcing square pegs into round holes. You adopt your system to the players you have, rather than trying to get your players to do things that they suck at, and give them more opportunities to do the things they are good at. That does not describe our current coaching staff, now or last season. As a matter of fact, they seem to be a coaching staff in name only. (Although, judging by the rags today, looks like all the McCarthy groupies might want to reconsider their enthusiasm - seems he's about the same as Gase: getting by on the coattails of a great QB in his previous job.) 14 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 His coach trusts him and has confidence in him to execute, and is running a wider variety of routes in a coherent offense. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Haven't watch him play this year, but through stats it appears that he has more options on the route tree, rather than just, "go". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post joewilly12 Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 He's not being relied on to be a #1 WR. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Get a new coach/offensive coordinator and maybe QB, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 Effort. 3 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: He's not being relied on to be a #1 WR. He is being used as a 1. He had previous relationship with Bridgewater, working out, and Teddy is very comfortable with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: He's not being relied on to be a #1 WR. This + he's playing for a coach who knows him really well. Rhule coached Anderson at Temple 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 He's having his best year in terms of catch rate but it's really just as simple as the Panthers have made it a priority to get him the ball. He's averaged like 9 targets a game. The most targets he ever saw in a season with the Jets was his 114 (he's on pace for 140) and that was the best season of his career. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 The coach and QB are better. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Qb is better, likely coach too 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 His stats this year are similar to his 2017 season here once he established a raport with McCown. Once McCown got hurt the Bowles and Morton had no viable QB and the passing game we had went in the tank. Bottom Line Gase came in and Robby like every other player on our offense was/is held back. We can go down the list of players that are JETS and players before Gase was with the JETS, this is what he/his system is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Now, let's flip the script, in this flip the script post: -Do we believe that Robbie Anderson is a high character, locker room leader type? I don't know. Some of his off field stuff, suggests maybe not. By all appearances, Douglas is looking to fill his club with high character guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Scott Dierking said: By all appearances, Douglas looking to fill his club with high character guys. Choir boys won't win football games. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Better HC, OC, Owner, Fans, QB, OL, GM, etc. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Run through Robby's playcallers here in NY. where's the mystery? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 He has one touchdown on the season...his yards and receptions look sharp but those are not everything. Another thing to consider is his yards and receptions were not terrible with the Jets.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Choir boys won't win football games. Maybe not, but when you are building a team from the ground up, you look to instill the locker room with leader types, with players with proven work ethic and players that are team oriented. This allows you to cultivate a culture. Once you have that cultured instilled, then you can have players like a "Robbie Anderson ilk" come in and make them adapt to the culture that is set. They are not then the culture setters. If you begin and build around a culture of me-first, and poor discipline, then you get a team of that. This is team building 101, whether in sport or any professional career. Many, many great coaches have adopted this mentality. Does it mean it is always successful? No. But you build a team in your image, and I think this is an image that Joe D is looking to establish. Just my guess. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Different coaching staff, QB, and locker room. Beyond that, it's hard to say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Poor coaching is a lot of it but let's also acknowledge the Panthers have other decent receivers so defenses have to allocate resources across the offense. That's a roster issue on JD although there is only so much he could have done midway through an offseason when he was hired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Warfish said: So we've had endless threads about how dumb it was to move Anderson. Because JD should have known he'd be this awesome...here? Which he clearly didn't. So it begs the REAL question: Why is Robby Anderson a contender for best WR in the NFL in Carolina, when he was an afterthought of a player/producer here in New York his entire career? What would the Jets have had to do/change to get this level of production for Anderson? Rather than "just resign Anderson", this question is IMO the more important. What ELSE would Douglas have had to do to get THIS Anderson for us in 2020, because simply resigning him is clearly not enough. So presuming Anderson is a great as he is showing in CAR, how could WE have gotten that? Please, be specific. I went over this with Shane earlier... he is running far more short routes than he did here... the routes he is running THERE at Caro are being run HERE by Crowder... he target rate is up, the depth of his routes is down, his YAC is up cos he is turning it upfield after the catch... to do THAT here, Crowder we have to play far fewer snaps and Robbo would get a larger share of targets on those shorter routes... ifyou look atthe advanced metrics the avg depth of his route is down roughly 5 yards from last 2 years here where it was~15 now its 10 targets last yr, 6 per game, this year 8.5.... after catch yds per catch was 3.7 2 yrs here w/ Sam, and is now 5.9... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeRo04.htm#all_detailed_receiving_and_rushing as I also said to Shane, his limitations show up in the DYAR/DVOA at FO. he doesnt really get you much more than "expected" like the real elite WRs do... https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/wr/2020 while i have always liked and supported Robbo, i always said pretty simply that he is a solid WR2/3 that is a good piece on any NFL team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Maybe not, but when you are building a team from the ground up, you look to instill the locker room with leader types, with players with proven work ethic and players that are team oriented. i thought the plan here was to re-build through the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Bungaman said: Robbie's present coaching staff isn't so concerned about forcing square pegs into round holes. You adopt your system to the players you have, rather than trying to get your players to do things that they suck at, and give them more opportunities to do the things they are good at. That does not describe our current coaching staff, now or last season. As a matter of fact, they seem to be a coaching staff in name only. (Although, judging by the rags today, looks like all the McCarthy groupies might want to reconsider their enthusiasm - seems he's about the same as Gase: getting by on the coattails of a great QB in his previous job.) EXCTACTLY!!!!! Let's see what an "amature" analysis does... Hmmmmmmm Lets see what RA does here.... Maybe Gase and the FO should look here.. What a Joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Jokes aside, I thought Anderson was an improving player for us last year and begged the Jets to resign him. They didn't. Oh well 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 QB and Coaching staff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: i thought the plan here was to re-build through the draft. Who said differently? As was pointed out to me yesterday by an astute poster here, Douglas drafted 3 players that were team captains on their team last year. I was not aware of that. It only strengthened my belief that JD wants a disciplined, leader oriented locker room. I may be wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, predator_05 said: he's playing for a coach who knows him really well. Rhule coached Anderson at Temple the Jets could have had Matt Rhule they already had Teddy Robby was already here this isn't one super crazy hypothetical to have all 3 together in green and white the difference is Carolina is willing to spend money and the New York Jets aren't Rhule required a buyout + 8M a year. Teddy and Robby needed real NFL player second contracts. the Jets instead chose Gase and pay him in Ham Sandwiches 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: the Jets could have had Matt Rhule they already had Teddy Robby was already here this isn't one super crazy hypothetical to have all 3 together in green and white the difference is Carolina is willing to spend money and the New York Jets aren't Rhule required a buyout + 8M a year. Teddy and Robby needed real NFL player second contracts. the Jets instead chose Gase and pay him in Ham Sandwiches Plus Rhule is one of those spoiled me-first types who insists on hiring his own assistants 2 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I think it's a combination of coaching, system, and effort. He is in a system where he is being utilized differently (i.e. occasionally lining up in the slot, something he never did on the Jets), he has a coach that has identified and maximized some of his strengths, and he seems to be finishing routes on a more consistent basis. With that said, I think it should be noted that we still have a small sample size. There were multiple 4 game stretches with the Jets where Robby Anderson had top 10 WR stats. The problem with him was always consistency. He would look great one month, then disappear the next month. Let's see how the rest of this season goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Maybe we're not giving JD credit for thinking Andersons moods might not play well on a tanking team rebuilding from the ground up. Anderson had many games where he didn't finish routes, shook his head after being missed or not thrown too, maybe, just maybe JD didn't look at Robbie Anderson as a leader to build the WR group around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Jetster said: Maybe we're not giving JD credit for thinking Andersons moods might not play well on a ranking team rebuilding from the ground up. I still believe that Douglas can be an awesome GM for us, bus some of the Douglas ball-washing on this board is waaaaaay out of control. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 50 minutes ago, Warfish said: So we've had endless threads about how dumb it was to move Anderson. Because JD should have known he'd be this awesome...here? Which he clearly didn't. So it begs the REAL question: Why is Robby Anderson a contender for best WR in the NFL in Carolina, when he was an afterthought of a player/producer here in New York his entire career? What would the Jets have had to do/change to get this level of production for Anderson? Rather than "just resign Anderson", this question is IMO the more important. What ELSE would Douglas have had to do to get THIS Anderson for us in 2020, because simply resigning him is clearly not enough. So presuming Anderson is a great as he is showing in CAR, how could WE have gotten that? Please, be specific. Simply amazing that the Jets could have fairly easily had Bridgewater, Robby Anderson and Matt Rhule here. Two were already on the team, the other would have taken the HC job if Macc didn't grandstand and dictate things like the coaches Rhule would have to hire. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 This thread is making me sad. It's hard not to lash out and ban everybody. It was that or day-drinking. Tito, my old friend, come to papa. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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