Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 I've been thinking a lot the last few days about how the next month or so could be really difficult for us Jets fans, but in a different way then it's normally difficult. We are start to finally see some of our Young pieces on the field, together. Becton, Mims, Perine and even probably guys like Zuniga and Hall. That's actually relatively exciting and reason to watch. But what if all of them turn out to show promise? It's entirely possible that if they all play well(along with Darnold improving), we could kiss that #1 pick goodbye. On the other hand, if they all underwhelm, then yippee we get the 1st pick, but are not any closer to a competitive roster than we were a year ago. And the GM would have some questions to answer. Then again, Gase is the coach so maybe both things can happen and he just costs us the game from his ineptness. 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 Jets playing well is not a worry that’s keeping me up at night 2 4 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, jgb said: Jets playing well is not a worry that’s keeping me up at night Yeah, I’ll file that one next to my concern for suddenly getting up and running a 10k. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetster Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 Best case scenario, Mims is a STUD, we start scoring more points, Darnold even starts clicking but the defense can't hold up their end & we keep squeaking out losses. We KNOW the defense sucks. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Even if all the young players on O play well the defense is like a sieve and will lose all the games 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 We had all better hope the new guys look good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetstream23 Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 Nothing wrong with losing a lot of 24-17 type games where all of the rookies you mentioned, and Darnold, look good and competitive. A season like last year where the Jets finished 6-2, gave us some hope, and still got the LT that looks like he was worth a Top 5 pick turned out to be great. In other words, drafting 6th, 8th or 11th last year didn't really matter. I think we got the right guy. This year's colossal step backwards was unexpected by most and due to a variety of things - the active removal of talent from the roster, injuries, poor free agent signings, a bad HC and a QB unable to rise above all that. In my mind, a dream scenario would be getting the #1 pick after finishing with a 1-15 record and having many of our key players look good (Darnold, Becton, Mims, Zuniga, Davis, Perine, etc.). This would give JD lots of options including taking Lawrence, getting great trade value for Darnold after he finishes well, etc. and spare us the embarrassment of going winless. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 34 minutes ago, Jetster said: Best case scenario, Mims is a STUD, we start scoring more points, Darnold even starts clicking but the defense can't hold up their end & we keep squeaking out losses. We KNOW the defense sucks. this is what i was thinking. i would love to lose some games 35-31. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Mims is a pipe dream at this point. And we are saving Perine for his second or third contract. We don't want to overwhelm him and stunt his growth. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seibelt Posted October 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2020 I have been watching the Jets for 4 decades now and never remember rooting for a loss in October. I also made it a point when watching the game at home to not drink my first beer til we scored a TD, then it went to a score of any kind, then it went to a first down, now it does not matter any more. I start way before kickoff. It really is unexplainable what my feelings are watching this team, almost like a habit, but not looking forward to it. I will watch again this Sunday, from beginning to end, with no expectations of any players or coaches. Perhaps something happens that brings back the excitement again. It is coming on this forum that brings me any Joy regarding the Jets. Thanks to each and every one of you. 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Im hoping for wins because a) I want to see these players who will be on our team next year actually show they are good b) I don’t want the 1 pick and forced to take Trevor. Build around sam with a top 5 pick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Perfectly content with all those guys looking good and having a top 5-10 pick still. Better that way actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: Perfectly content with all those guys looking good and having a top 5-10 pick still. Better that way actually. Unless it means we keep Gase. And that’s the problem. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I don't know if a couple of guys playing well will be enough to change some of these games from losses to wins. I'll always root for the jets in the moment but unfortunately, I think for the long term, its better if the jets get this first pick and start over with TL. I like Sam but this franchise completely screwed him. he'll get another chance elsewhere, have a chance to pick where he can go and maybe he can turn things around in a more competent atmosphere. By next year Sam will be in year 4 and the jets will have to decide if they want to pick up a 5th year option. With the current state of this team, its better just to hit the reset button and give this franchise some more time with a cheap, high upside QB vs a QB that cannot stay on the field with an expiring contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoJetsFan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just keep throwing to Herndon and we will have a no catch-22 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, jetstream23 said: In my mind, a dream scenario would be getting the #1 pick after finishing with a 1-15 record and having many of our key players look good (Darnold, Becton, Mims Teams with Qb, wr1 and Lt playing good football generally dont go 1-15 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 We'll stumble into a couple close games the remainder of the season. Maybe even win a game. But it won't be because the team is playing well. It'll be because the other team we're facing plays horrifically bad, and we just happen to not be quite as bad on that day. Not one of the Jets' remaining games will leave the fans entertained or remotely satisfied with their performance. Not one. Even the '76 Buccaneers (0-14) had 3 games decided by 5 points or less, after all. Do you think anyone was entertained when they lost 14-9 to the Bills or 13-10 to the Seahawks that year? Of course not. That's what we can expect out of the Jets over the final 10 games. 7 or 8 games where the Jets are blown out in dominant fashion, and 2-3 close but terrible games where no one watching is happy that they tuned in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, pointman said: Mims is a pipe dream at this point. What does this even mean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Nothing wrong with losing a lot of 24-17 type games where all of the rookies you mentioned, and Darnold, look good and competitive. A season like last year where the Jets finished 6-2, gave us some hope, and still got the LT that looks like he was worth a Top 5 pick turned out to be great. In other words, drafting 6th, 8th or 11th last year didn't really matter. I think we got the right guy. This year's colossal step backwards was unexpected by most and due to a variety of things - the active removal of talent from the roster, injuries, poor free agent signings, a bad HC and a QB unable to rise above all that. In my mind, a dream scenario would be getting the #1 pick after finishing with a 1-15 record and having many of our key players look good (Darnold, Becton, Mims, Zuniga, Davis, Perine, etc.). This would give JD lots of options including taking Lawrence, getting great trade value for Darnold after he finishes well, etc. and spare us the embarrassment of going winless. If we are 1-15, Darnold didn’t play well enough to move forward with. That’s the bottom line. Darnold probably has to win a minimum of 4-5 games to keep his job, IMO. Otherwise, Douglas will be staring at one of Lawrence, Fields, or Lance with a chance to reset the rookie QB contract window. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: I've been thinking a lot the last few days about how the next month or so could be really difficult for us Jets fans, but in a different way then it's normally difficult. We are start to finally see some of our Young pieces on the field, together. Becton, Mims, Perine and even probably guys like Zuniga and Hall. That's actually relatively exciting and reason to watch. But what if all of them turn out to show promise? It's entirely possible that if they all play well(along with Darnold improving), we could kiss that #1 pick goodbye. On the other hand, if they all underwhelm, then yippee we get the 1st pick, but are not any closer to a competitive roster than we were a year ago. And the GM would have some questions to answer. Then again, Gase is the coach so maybe both things can happen and he just costs us the game from his ineptness. Cheer up. They can still play well and lose. But what it will show is how many deserve to be held over to next season. From here on out the players will be auditioning for next year. They need to make the most of it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: What does this even mean? He hasn't played, and the idea of him actually dressing seems impossible. Sorry it was hard for you to decipher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, pointman said: He hasn't played, and the idea of him actually dressing seems impossible. Sorry it was hard for you to decipher. Yeah, when something makes that little sense you think there must be another meaning even if you can't figure out what it is. I'm sorry for the American Education System. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, shuler82 said: Unless it means we keep Gase. And that’s the problem. Choosing to keep Gase is like choosing to keep colon cancer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Yeah, when something makes that little sense you think there must be another meaning even if you can't figure out what it is. I'm sorry for the American Education System. LOL. Its OK. Appreciate it though. We can't all be home schooled like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: If we are 1-15, Darnold didn’t play well enough to move forward with. That’s the bottom line. 100% If Darnold plays well we won't be 1-15, nevermind Mims and becton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 5 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: I've been thinking a lot the last few days about how the next month or so could be really difficult for us Jets fans, but in a different way then it's normally difficult. We are start to finally see some of our Young pieces on the field, together. Becton, Mims, Perine and even probably guys like Zuniga and Hall. That's actually relatively exciting and reason to watch. But what if all of them turn out to show promise? It's entirely possible that if they all play well(along with Darnold improving), we could kiss that #1 pick goodbye. On the other hand, if they all underwhelm, then yippee we get the 1st pick, but are not any closer to a competitive roster than we were a year ago. And the GM would have some questions to answer. Then again, Gase is the coach so maybe both things can happen and he just costs us the game from his ineptness. I look it as a win/win. Either we suck and get Lawrence or the young players make an impact we win a few games and still get a top 3-4 pick to help rebuild around a core that may be more promising than we thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 I've been thinking a lot the last few days about how the next month or so could be really difficult for us Jets fans, but in a different way then it's normally difficult. We are start to finally see some of our Young pieces on the field, together. Becton, Mims, Perine and even probably guys like Zuniga and Hall. That's actually relatively exciting and reason to watch. But what if all of them turn out to show promise? It's entirely possible that if they all play well(along with Darnold improving), we could kiss that #1 pick goodbye. On the other hand, if they all underwhelm, then yippee we get the 1st pick, but are not any closer to a competitive roster than we were a year ago. And the GM would have some questions to answer. Then again, Gase is the coach so maybe both things can happen and he just costs us the game from his ineptness. Or... these rooks show improvement but it’s not enough fire power to get it done in the win column. At this point I’m really looking forward to some of these guys getting on the field to chalk up their first NFL playing time. Mims, hall, perine and Clark are gonna be studs. The more we can see them the better. Gase sucks Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 5 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: I've been thinking a lot the last few days about how the next month or so could be really difficult for us Jets fans, but in a different way then it's normally difficult. We are start to finally see some of our Young pieces on the field, together. Becton, Mims, Perine and even probably guys like Zuniga and Hall. That's actually relatively exciting and reason to watch. But what if all of them turn out to show promise? It's entirely possible that if they all play well(along with Darnold improving), we could kiss that #1 pick goodbye. On the other hand, if they all underwhelm, then yippee we get the 1st pick, but are not any closer to a competitive roster than we were a year ago. And the GM would have some questions to answer. Then again, Gase is the coach so maybe both things can happen and he just costs us the game from his ineptness. OR...what if they play well, and we realize we really aren't as bad as we thought, so we don't need the number one pick overall? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 4 hours ago, CTM said: Teams with Qb, wr1 and Lt playing good football generally dont go 1-15 True. But of those three guys and the 18 possible games that could have been played between them we've seen what, 7 or 8 player-games so far? Darnold has missed a couple, Becton missed a couple, Mims has missed all of them. Last week included NONE of those 3. It would be nice to see at least 4 games before this season ends that includes all of Darnold, Perriman, Mims, Crowder, Becton, McGovern, Lewis, and Fant on the field. I don't even care what RB or TE is out there, or if GVR, Josh Andrews or whoever plays RG. But we have yet to see that group play together once and most often it has been missing at least 2 or 3 of them at all times. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: True. But of those three guys and the 18 possible games that could have been played between them we've seen what, 7 or 8 player-games so far? Darnold has missed a couple, Becton missed a couple, Mims has missed all of them. Last week included NONE of those 3. It would be nice to see at least 4 games before this season ends that includes all of Darnold, Perriman, Mims, Crowder, Becton, McGovern, Lewis, and Fant on the field. I don't even care what RB or TE is out there, or if GVR, Josh Andrews or whoever plays RG. But we have yet to see that group play together once and most often it has been missing at least 2 or 3 of them at all times. Sure, all i;m saying is this idea that we get the #1 pick and Darnold, Mims and Becton all play good football these last 10 games is likely mutually exclusive. One or the other, you're wishing for your cake and to eat it too. I've got news for you tho, Crusher already at all the cakes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 49 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: True. But of those three guys and the 18 possible games that could have been played between them we've seen what, 7 or 8 player-games so far? Darnold has missed a couple, Becton missed a couple, Mims has missed all of them. Last week included NONE of those 3. It would be nice to see at least 4 games before this season ends that includes all of Darnold, Perriman, Mims, Crowder, Becton, McGovern, Lewis, and Fant on the field. I don't even care what RB or TE is out there, or if GVR, Josh Andrews or whoever plays RG. But we have yet to see that group play together once and most often it has been missing at least 2 or 3 of them at all times. Yup. The team stinks, but I am hoping we see that there are a few more pieces in place for next season than might be apparent. I don't think it is crazy to think we may have at least 3 spots on the OL locked down. Becton at LT, Fant or Edoga at RT. Edoga has looked good when he has played, woudl be really encouraging if he shows he can be a starting RT . Then either McGovern returns to form where he has been a solid C, or maybe Clark can do something if he gets a chance. We will still need to add a piece or two next season, but we could hve a decent foundation. And at the WR position, we know Crowder is an above average slot guy. Mims is the key though. Once he gets ont he field (if he gets ont he field) if he proves he can be the X we have needed for so long and if the Smiths can be decent 4th and 5th receivers, we may only need a strong Z to round out the group. Mims is the key -- if he sucks, we are pretty much exactly where we were headint into this season. RB and TE are disasters. Looks like those positions may need total rebuilds. And of course we will probably stillb e looking for a QB. But maybe, just maybe the cupboard is not quite so bare as it appears right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 44 minutes ago, CTM said: Sure, all i;m saying is this idea that we get the #1 pick and Darnold, Mims and Becton all play good football these last 10 games is likely mutually exclusive. One or the other, you're wishing for your cake and to eat it too. I've got news for you tho, Crusher already at all the cakes And if some of the young guys can perfrom, and we win a handful lof games and pick 5th. Is that really so bad. Maybe it is because I am not completely sold on Lawrence as the next great QB. Besides when is the last time the "next great QB" really was the "next great QB". How many of the best QBs in the game went 1 overall. Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brees. All great QBs, all Super Bowl Champs. Not a #1 overall in the group. We might be better off if some of the young OL, WRs & Darnold show they can play and we win a few games. You know where you find most of the #1 overall picks -- ranked 21 and below in QBR this season: Stafford, Mayfield, Burrow, Murray, Newton. Plus #2 overall Wentz & Trubisky. And Darnold at #3. All in the bottom 12. And that doesn't include Jameis Winston who is on the bench. Only top 3 overall QBs in the top 20 are Goff and Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, CTM said: Sure, all i;m saying is this idea that we get the #1 pick and Darnold, Mims and Becton all play good football these last 10 games is likely mutually exclusive. One or the other, you're wishing for your cake and to eat it too. I've got news for you tho, Crusher already at all the cakes Yup, I probably painted an idealistic scenario. But I'd still like to see a good group of the guys who expect to be here for at least a couple more years demonstrate some competence and competitiveness.....and lose a lot of close games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Lith said: And if some of the young guys can perfrom, and we win a handful lof games and pick 5th. Is that really so bad. Maybe it is because I am not completely sold on Lawrence as the next great QB. Besides when is the last time the "next great QB" really was the "next great QB". How many of the best QBs in the game went 1 overall. Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brees. All great QBs, all Super Bowl Champs. Not a #1 overall in the group. We might be better off if some of the young OL, WRs & Darnold show they can play and we win a few games. You know where you find most of the #1 overall picks -- ranked 21 and below in QBR this season: Stafford, Mayfield, Burrow, Murray, Newton. Plus #2 overall Wentz & Trubisky. And Darnold at #3. All in the bottom 12. And that doesn't include Jameis Winston who is on the bench. Only top 3 overall QBs in the top 20 are Goff and Ryan. Great post. I have no idea if Lawrence is better than Darnold. Some here are convinced of it for whatever reason (scouting reports, level of competition, QBASE scores, playing at USC vs. playing at Clemson, etc.). But none of us can definitively say, with all things being equal, who would turn out to be a better QB. But I CAN say with a high degree of confidence that no young QB will play very well here with the kind of coaching and roster the Jets currently have. It just doesn't matter who the QB is right now. Nobody is good enough to overcome Gase's coaching and fake handoffs to Frank Gore while hitting Braxton Berrios for big plays while Chuma Edoga is blocking for him. Sure, there are probably some QBs who could get this Jets team to 2 or 3 wins, but nobody is having sustained success. So, why not build up the team and the roster and have a nice landing spot for a future QB rather than doing the opposite? Why continue to put highly drafted, high quality QB prospects in horrible situations where they are the only bright spot on a team that needs to rebuild for 2-3 years? Fix the team first, then add the QB like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, like the Ravens did with Lamar, like Tennessee did before adding Tannehill, etc. Lots of the NFL's best teams took their QBs at #10 or later in the Draft (Packers, Bills, Chiefs, Seahawks, Steelers, etc.). This idea that you need to have a Top 2 or 3 pick to get a franchise QB is horsesh!t. It only mattered when we had Maccagnan because he couldn't scout and had to look at concensus rankings to know who he wanted. A real GM finds a QB who he can win with. Again, Baltimore, Tennessee, Kansas City, Buffalo are all good examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 56 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Great post. I have no idea if Lawrence is better than Darnold. Some here are convinced of it for whatever reason (scouting reports, level of competition, QBASE scores, playing at USC vs. playing at Clemson, etc.). But none of us can definitively say, with all things being equal, who would turn out to be a better QB. But I CAN say with a high degree of confidence that no young QB will play very well here with the kind of coaching and roster the Jets currently have. It just doesn't matter who the QB is right now. Nobody is good enough to overcome Gase's coaching and fake handoffs to Frank Gore while hitting Braxton Berrios for big plays while Chuma Edoga is blocking for him. Sure, there are probably some QBs who could get this Jets team to 2 or 3 wins, but nobody is having sustained success. So, why not build up the team and the roster and have a nice landing spot for a future QB rather than doing the opposite? Why continue to put highly drafted, high quality QB prospects in horrible situations where they are the only bright spot on a team that needs to rebuild for 2-3 years? Fix the team first, then add the QB like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, like the Ravens did with Lamar, like Tennessee did before adding Tannehill, etc. Lots of the NFL's best teams took their QBs at #10 or later in the Draft (Packers, Bills, Chiefs, Seahawks, Steelers, etc.). This idea that you need to have a Top 2 or 3 pick to get a franchise QB is horsesh!t. It only mattered when we had Maccagnan because he couldn't scout and had to look at concensus rankings to know who he wanted. A real GM finds a QB who he can win with. Again, Baltimore, Tennessee, Kansas City, Buffalo are all good examples. You are entirely correct - nobody knows for certain what any college player will become - including Lawrence But the other big issue is financial. Having your QB on year 1 of his rookie contract is an enormous advantage going forward 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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