A real catch-22 for Jets fans the next month or so

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Nothing wrong with losing a lot of 24-17 type games where all of the rookies you mentioned, and Darnold, look good and competitive.

A season like last year where the Jets finished 6-2, gave us some hope, and still got the LT that looks like he was worth a Top 5 pick turned out to be great.  In other words, drafting 6th, 8th or 11th last year didn't really matter.  I think we got the right guy.  This year's colossal step backwards was unexpected by most and due to a variety of things - the active removal of talent from the roster, injuries, poor free agent signings, a bad HC and a QB unable to rise above all that.

In my mind, a dream scenario would be getting the #1 pick after finishing with a 1-15 record and having many of our key players look good (Darnold, Becton, Mims, Zuniga, Davis, Perine, etc.).  This would give JD lots of options including taking Lawrence, getting great trade value for Darnold after he finishes well, etc. and spare us the embarrassment of going winless.

 

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4 hours ago, CTM said:

Teams with Qb, wr1 and Lt playing good football generally dont go 1-15

True.

But of those three guys and the 18 possible games that could have been played between them we've seen what, 7 or 8 player-games so far?  Darnold has missed a couple, Becton missed a couple, Mims has missed all of them.  Last week included NONE of those 3.

It would be nice to see at least 4 games before this season ends that includes all of Darnold, Perriman, Mims, Crowder, Becton, McGovern, Lewis, and Fant on the field.  I don't even care what RB or TE is out there, or if GVR, Josh Andrews or whoever plays RG.  But we have yet to see that group play together once and most often it has been missing at least 2 or 3 of them at all times.

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1 hour ago, CTM said:

Sure, all i;m saying is this idea that we get the #1 pick and Darnold, Mims and Becton all play good football these last 10 games is likely mutually exclusive. One or the other, you're wishing for your cake and to eat it too. I've got news for you tho, Crusher already at all the cakes

Yup, I probably painted an idealistic scenario.  But I'd still like to see a good group of the guys who expect to be here for at least a couple more years demonstrate some competence and competitiveness.....and lose a lot of close games.

 

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1 hour ago, Lith said:

And if some of the young guys can perfrom, and we win a handful lof games and pick 5th.  Is that really so bad.  Maybe it is because I am not completely sold on Lawrence as the next great QB.  Besides when is the last time the "next great QB" really was the "next great QB".

How many of the best QBs in the game went 1 overall.  Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brees.   All great QBs, all Super Bowl Champs.  Not a #1 overall in the group.  We might be better off if some of the young OL, WRs & Darnold show they can play and we win a few games.  You know where you find most of the #1 overall picks -- ranked 21 and below in QBR this season: Stafford, Mayfield, Burrow, Murray, Newton.  Plus #2 overall Wentz & Trubisky.  And Darnold at #3.  All in the bottom 12.  And that doesn't include Jameis Winston who is on the bench.  Only top 3 overall QBs in the top 20 are Goff and Ryan.

Great post.  I have no idea if Lawrence is better than Darnold.  Some here are convinced of it for whatever reason (scouting reports, level of competition, QBASE scores, playing at USC vs. playing at Clemson, etc.).  But none of us can definitively say, with all things being equal, who would turn out to be a better QB.  But I CAN say with a high degree of confidence that no young QB will play very well here with the kind of coaching and roster the Jets currently have.

It just doesn't matter who the QB is right now.  Nobody is good enough to overcome Gase's coaching and fake handoffs to Frank Gore while hitting Braxton Berrios for big plays while Chuma Edoga is blocking for him.  Sure, there are probably some QBs who could get this Jets team to 2 or 3 wins, but nobody is having sustained success.  So, why not build up the team and the roster and have a nice landing spot for a future QB rather than doing the opposite?  Why continue to put highly drafted, high quality QB prospects in horrible situations where they are the only bright spot on a team that needs to rebuild for 2-3 years?

Fix the team first, then add the QB like the Chiefs did with Mahomes, like the Ravens did with Lamar, like Tennessee did before adding Tannehill, etc.  Lots of the NFL's best teams took their QBs at #10 or later in the Draft (Packers, Bills, Chiefs, Seahawks, Steelers, etc.).  This idea that you need to have a Top 2 or 3 pick to get a franchise QB is horsesh!t.  It only mattered when we had Maccagnan because he couldn't scout and had to look at concensus rankings to know who he wanted.  A real GM finds a QB who he can win with.  Again, Baltimore, Tennessee, Kansas City, Buffalo are all good examples.

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9 hours ago, slimjasi said:

You are entirely correct - nobody knows for certain what any college player will become - including Lawrence 

But the other big issue is financial. Having your QB on year 1 of his rookie contract is an enormous advantage going forward 

Agree with that 100%.

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27 minutes ago, CTM said:

I mean, I'd love to see all 3 of them play like all pros and we go 8-2 down the stretch. It's far preferrable to losing out, and then getting back on the QB merry go round again. It's just not likely unforuntately

Yup. Win something like 6-8 games.....or win 0.

We don't want the in-between.