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The eyeball tests tells the story. Herbert is a franchise QB and was the best QB from this class.

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Note that Herbert's 300+ yard games and 3+ TD games came at different times.

So in all 4 starts to begin his career he has either thrown for 300+ yards OR tossed 3+ TD passes.

Too bad you can't evaluate QB's on bad teams though.  A real shame, the Chargers will never know what they have.

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the innoculated are too far gone....

their DNA has been overtaken.....

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8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I can certainty see how you would confuse keenan allen, hunter henry, mike williams with the vast array of jets weapons. 

And also know that with Adam Gase Herbert would be throwing for 400 yards a game and 5 tds per game.

 

You mean like how Phillip Rivers did when he threw for a 23/20 TD:INT ratio last season with the same weapons?  And wasn't Anthony Lynn getting roundly criticized (with some thinking he is on the hot seat) earlier this season when Tyrod Taylor was under center?  Those complaints sure went away quickly!

If WR's truly make the QB, then why do franchise QB's have success for so long?  Why aren't they completely reliant on their weppinz to succeed?  Why have even "middling" franchise QB's like, say, Matthew Stafford, continue to produce year after year even in times where they have crappy or mediocre receivers?

It can be simultaneously true that Herbert is already far better than Darnold AND has vastly superior weapons, you know.  These aren't mutually exclusive points.

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N is really low to be making any extrapolation on Herbert.

This many games in Sanchez looked like Steve Young Jr. and had already beaten the Patriots at home. 

I hope Herbert keeps it up cause the league needs players like him, but it's early...

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28 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

In 4 career starts to date, Justin Herbert has two 300+ yard games and two 3+ TD games.

In 30 career starts to date, Sam Darnold has four 300+ yard games and three 3+ TD games.

The Chargers are a bad team (1-4).  

So what gives?

Keenan Allen

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Keenan Allen

Rivers (in 2019) and Tyrod sucked while throwing to him.

Meanwhile, our QB is only definitely better than Luke Falk and just a little better than 35-year old and disinterested Joe Flacco.

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15 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

This many games in and Sanchez had failed to reach 200+ yards in 3 of his first 4 starts, completed just 57 % of his throws, and had a 4 TD / 5 INT ratio.

He never looked like Steve f**king Young.  

Steve Young in TB, maybe.

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Really sad to see what kind of productivity Darnold has had over 3 years. You would think there'd be a few more 300 yard / 3td games.

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@Jetsfan80

u may as well try to stop a dog from eating its own vomit...

 

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Just now, Losmeister said:

@Jetsfan80

u may as well try to stop a dog from eating its own vomit...

 

 

I'm just entertained by the mental gymnastics.  

There are few things entertaining about this season so I'll take what I can get.

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Wait we really trying to discount the Chargers weapons because of Tyrod Taylor and Phillip Rivers in 2019? This is beyond comedic considering Rivers threw for 4600 yards last year with the same weapons and Taylor is just garbage in general. No one is saying Baker Mayfield is a franchise QB because he outperformed Tyrod Taylor in 2018.

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3 minutes ago, Welp said:

Wait we really trying to discount the Chargers weapons because of Tyrod Taylor and Phillip Rivers in 2019? This is beyond comedic considering Rivers threw for 4600 yards last year with the same weapons and Taylor is just garbage in general. No one is saying Baker Mayfield is a franchise QB because he outperformed Tyrod Taylor in 2018.

No one is discounting weppinz.  The point is QB's don't only produce because of their weppinz.  They produce because they're also very good at being QB's. 

Darnold is a bad QB with bad weppinz.  Herbert is a good QB with good weppinz. 

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9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No one is discounting weppinz.  The point is QB's don't only produce because of their weppinz.  They produce because they're also very good at being QB's. 

Darnold is a bad QB with bad weppinz.  Herbert is a good QB with good weppinz. 

Just like Baker Mayfield and Daniel Jones? Why don't we wait for more than a few games and when defenses figure them out before you already write the book on their career.

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44 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

This many games in and Sanchez had failed to reach 200+ yards in 3 of his first 4 starts, completed just 57 % of his throws, and had a 4 TD / 5 INT ratio.

He never looked like Steve f**king Young.  

You know what I meant. Those came right after a run of games looking great just like Herbert. We had to live through I don't know how many threads about how Daniel Jones and Baker passed the eye test early. 

This is the way of Jet fan boards.

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5 minutes ago, Welp said:

Just like Baker Mayfield and Daniel Jones? Why don't we wait for more than a few games and when defenses figure them out before you already write the book on their career.

Mayfield and Jones suck too.  I didn't buy in on Jones at all from the jump, either.  Mayfield, meh, we were duped by the rookie season.  It happens.  That doesn't mean anything when it comes to Herbert.

At least Herbert has a shot at being a franchise guy, unlike Darnold.  He certainly looks the part so far.  

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Herbert is a much more talented QB than Sam. Also Lynn coaches as if it's still the 90's.  Throw in an extremely battered defense going up against Mahomes, Brady &  Brees.  It also seems like they take an interest in their OL the same way Macc did.  The diff between the Chargers and us is Spano isn't the idiot that the Johnson Brothers individually and collectively are.  Also their GM seems to know talent but their training staff just can't keep them on the field.

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Oh wow a fresh take on this topic so exciting lol.

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Herbert does look amazing. Far better than anyone from Darnold's draft class. But these things have to play out a bit. Baker was a beast his rookie season, not so much since.

For Darnold and the Jets it is kind of simple. The team sucks, but the destiny is in Sam's hands. If he can elevate those around him and the Jets don't get the first pick, he will stay. If he leads the Jets to the first pick, he gets traded and the Jets move on.

Not the worst situation for the Jets, Joe Douglas seems to be helping with the first pick part as he is trading people. So it might not matter, but either way there is a new coach and offense here next year. Most likely a new QB too, that is how bad this team is.

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Cmon man you know Sam is gonna be great soon as we surround him with a Cowboys level Oline, bucs level WR core, a McCafferey level RB and Defensive coordinators stop zero blitzing him.  Till then let the excuses pile up

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1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

In 4 career starts to date, Justin Herbert has two 300+ yard games and two 3+ TD games.

In 30 career starts to date, Sam Darnold has four 300+ yard games and three 3+ TD games.

The Chargers are a bad team (1-4).  

So what gives?

He doesn't have Adam Gase having him throw 3 Yard passes behind the line of scrimmage

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Just now, jetfan39 said:

He doesn't have Adam Gase having him throw 3 Yard passes behind the line of scrimmage

What was the excuse when Bates was OC?

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17 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Herbert does look amazing. Far better than anyone from Darnold's draft class. But these things have to play out a bit. Baker was a beast his rookie season, not so much since.

For Darnold and the Jets it is kind of simple. The team sucks, but the destiny is in Sam's hands. If he can elevate those around him and the Jets don't get the first pick, he will stay. If he leads the Jets to the first pick, he gets traded and the Jets move on.

Not the worst situation for the Jets, Joe Douglas seems to be helping with the first pick part as he is trading people. So it might not matter, but either way there is a new coach and offense here next year. Most likely a new QB too, that is how bad this team is.

I’m not so sure Douglas is helping things along to zero wins by trading some players. If anything he’s getting rid of disinterested players and replacing them with players that might just play a lot harder and better.  And he’s also going to be identifying the keepers.

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5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

What was the excuse when Bates was OC?

No excuses other than being a rookie limited experience. Let's let it go at that & not hijack the thread. My reply was kind of tongue in cheek ☺️ no

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1 minute ago, jetfan39 said:

No excuses other than being a rookie limited experience. Let's let it go at that & not hijack the thread. My reply was kind of tongue in cheek ☺️ no

Herbert doesn't seem to need this excuse.

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