UntouchableCrew Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Waddle is John Ross to me. I’m super weary of speedy guys without an elite trait to track the ball while it’s in the air. Devonte Smith is also athletic enough imo. Waddle is more Santana Moss than John Ross IMO. He's smooth and has great short area quickness. Smith is like 174 pounds and runs a 4.53. Great routes, but I dunno if I'm spending a high first round pick on a guy like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: The cowboys are a win now team without a Qb. Jerry wants to win now and the nfc East is so bad they actually still have a shot They hate their coach and their DC. They are hardly a win now team. More like a “let’s not embarrass us” team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 22 hours ago, jgb said: Is that true though? Let's put Peyton Manning aside. Tannehill performed competently under Gase and Cutler had his best year under him. That's it. Those 3 guys + Darnold are who Gase has worked with as OC or HC. Tannehill got benched under Gase. He’s now winning playoff games and going nuts with the titans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Think Flacco for a 5th that could become a 4th if they make playoffs would be more reasonable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 The fact that Dallas isn't bringing in any QB's this week tells me they have basically no plans to go all in this season, even in the weakest division in NFL history. They're rolling with DiNucci and Garrett Gilbert until Dalton is healthy enough to return. Why on earth would they want to give up a high pick for Darnold in that light? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 17 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: The fact that Dallas isn't bringing in any QB's this week tells me they have basically no plans to go all in this season, even in the weakest division in NFL history. They're rolling with DiNucci and Garrett Gilbert until Dalton is healthy enough to return. Why on earth would they want to give up a high pick for Darnold in that light? I had no idea the cowboys decided not to sign Hackenberg or Petty. That’s clearly an indicator they are tanking for trevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 10:27 AM, Greenseed4 said: As much as I want two 2s from the Colts, they have two third round picks this year, so we may have to settle for a 2 and a 3 (2021). Dallas is on course to land a top-5 draft pick, not sure they’d part with that for Sam. If they win the division which is still very possible, they would have a later pick. I bet they are thinking about what moves they can make to squeeze as much juice out of this season as possible. Remember, the cap is going to down next year. Lots of teams will have to be disassembled. This is the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 10:14 AM, Philc1 said: 1. The full on tank for Trevor is on 2. Cowboys absolutely need a qb. 3. Cowboys would essentially be getting Sam on a cheap 2 year deal. They can see if he’s the real deal for them playing with a better OL, WRs and coaching staff until Dak is ready to return in 2 years 4. Jets get a 1st to draft a WR like Jamar Chase to pair with Trevor Lawrence or a Justin Fields 5. Everyone wins Not a chance.. As bad as the Division is I get they’re never out of it. But they also know they’d have zero shot at beating a legitimate playoff team. Why blow draft capital on a lost season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 10:17 AM, Young Jetty said: Lets be real, no one is trading a first round pick for Sam. There is three years worth of footage on his lack of growth with a looming contract year coming. I would be happy with a 2nd rounder at this point. More than a few think Sams problem is a lack of talent on the Jets and with their coaching over Sams time with the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 22 hours ago, Philc1 said: Tannehill got benched under Gase. Tannehill missed time when he was injured Philbin benched Tannehill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Bottom line is Tannehill stunk with Adam Gase as the HC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Had Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said: Remember, the cap is going to down next year. Lots of teams will have to be disassembled. This is the time. This is why draft picks this year will be a premium...Cap strapped teams are not going to be trading them away. Teams will want to draft and pay way less than the flood of FA's on the market next year. And I don't think any team would give a first day pick for Darnold...he's damaged goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 JD is on a salvage mission with Darnold in trying to trade him. Would you give Darnold and 2nd round pick to get Dallas #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 We will get their first round pick and it won’t cost us Darnold. Dallas will be the team that backchannels Trevor Lawrence and tells him to hold out on the Jets pre-draft. He goes to the Cowboys and their manipulation punishment comes in the form of first rounders. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Oh, look, my Peaches and Herb 45, 'Reunited'! I can't sing, but I'll do it anyway! REUNITED AND IT FEELS SO GOOD! REUNITED 'CAUSE WE UNDERSTOOD! THERE'S ONE PERFECT FIT, AND SUGAR, THIS ONE IS IT! WE BOTH ARE SO EXCITED 'CAUSE WE'RE REUNITED HEY, HEEYYYYYYEeeyyy! Oh, silly me, Fatmouth Jamal went to Seattle. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 10:50 AM, JTJet said: Sam. Is. Not. Getting. Traded. Before. We. Have. Secured. The. First. Pick. In. The. Draft. AND. Trevor. Lawrence. Declares. ... end of story. just about ready to say the same thing. much as getting a first rounder or even high second attractive, it would be pretty meaningless unless he is replaced with a better QB prospect, and that's lawrence at this point. there's too much variability at the moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 10:17 AM, Young Jetty said: Lets be real, no one is trading a first round pick for Sam. There is three years worth of footage on his lack of growth with a looming contract year coming. I would be happy with a 2nd rounder at this point. Agree... NO ONE is going to give a first round pick for Sam. Perhaps not even a second round ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Is Great Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Can we have one thread for all these hair-brained trade ideas? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 10:23 AM, kmnj said: sam is not worth more than a third which the jets would waste as they always do if the cowboys were smart they would get winston As we go down this thread Darnold’s value has gone from a 1st, to a 2nd, to a 3rd. Do I hear a 4th? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Boner icon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 10:50 AM, JTJet said: Sam. Is. Not. Getting. Traded. Before. We. Have. Secured. The. First. Pick. In. The. Draft. AND. Trevor. Lawrence. Declares. ... end of story. This is as simple as it gets. I don't understand why people can't comprehend this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: As we go down this thread Darnold’s value has gone from a 1st, to a 2nd, to a 3rd. Do I hear a 4th? Remeber when we were only getting a 3rd rounder for Jamal? If we get the #1 pick and Trevor declares, I have no doubt we will get a 1st for Sam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 7:50 AM, JTJet said: Sam. Is. Not. Getting. Traded. Before. We. Have. Secured. The. First. Pick. In. The. Draft. AND. Trevor. Lawrence. Declares. ... end of story. 10 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: This is as simple as it gets. I don't understand why people can't comprehend this. Maybe cause it’s 20 one word sentences spaced out by different lines? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 There is not a shot in hell any team would give the Jets a 1st round pick for Sam Darnold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Gibby said: Not a chance.. As bad as the Division is I get they’re never out of it. But they also know they’d have zero shot at beating a legitimate playoff team. Why blow draft capital on a lost season? Without Prescott they are out of it. Dalton was horrible before the concussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, IndianaJet said: Remeber when we were only getting a 3rd rounder for Jamal? If we get the #1 pick and Trevor declares, I have no doubt we will get a 1st for Sam. Why is Darnold comparable to Adams? I can't stand Adams but at least he's good at something on a football field. No one is giving us a 1st. You'd be basically handing the keys to Darnold, not merely adding him as competition for the job or as a project QB. That's career suicide for a GM. A late 2nd rounder, maybe. The Dolphins gave up a 2 and a 5 for Rosen, but he'd only been in the league 1 season (13 starts) at the time. There's 3 seasons of sh*tty data on Darnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Coffee Is Great said: Can we have one thread for all these hair-brained trade ideas? Feelings and thoughts section I'vs asked for it numerous times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 7:14 AM, Philc1 said: 1. The full on tank for Trevor is on. Doesn't mean the Jets get him. 2. Cowboys absolutely need a qb. But the Jets may need a QB too and already have the guy you're suggesting could help the Cowboys. 3. Cowboys would essentially be getting Sam on a cheap 2 year deal. They can see if he’s the real deal for them playing with a better OL, WRs and coaching staff until Dak is ready to return in 2 years. Or the Jets could keep Sam, upgrade their OL and WRs so that he plays closer to his end of 2018 and end of 2019 seasons when he was a Top 10 QB. 4. Jets get a 1st to draft a WR like Jamar Chase to pair with Trevor Lawrence or a Justin Fields. Or just trade down from #2 or #3 if that's where the Jets end up after JAX gets the #1 pick, then take Jamar Chase and Kyle Pitts in Round 1? 5. Everyone wins. How long have you been watching the Jets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Greenseed4 said: Maybe cause it’s 20 one word sentences spaced out by different lines? Well, some people are too dense to understand a paragraph. So.... Not my fault we have 200 asshats on here that live in fantasy land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Ben Had said: This is why draft picks this year will be a premium...Cap strapped teams are not going to be trading them away. Teams will want to draft and pay way less than the flood of FA's on the market next year. And I don't think any team would give a first day pick for Darnold...he's damaged goods. Thats actually a good point. It's funny. The word was that Seattle parted with 2 1sts for Adams because the picks are devalued due to covid and the threat of college football being cancelled. Now it's seemingly the opposite. JD has done a very good job setting the Jets up to have a strong draft AND be very active in FA. I still think teams are going to fall back to their previous thinking in many cases though. Old habits die hard. A lot of these guys are dinosaurs and have an inability to be progressive in thought. Usually the Jets would fall right into that category. lol It will be interesting to see how this all rolls along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 And then what happens when lawrence doesn't want to play for us since everyone in the media is advising him against it? What happens if we somehow suck less than another team? Can't trade darnold unless you secure Lawrence so darnold has to stay with team until atleast the draft.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 11 hours ago, IndianaJet said: Remeber when we were only getting a 3rd rounder for Jamal? If we get the #1 pick and Trevor declares, I have no doubt we will get a 1st for Sam. From Sam’s mono stricken lips to JD’s draft chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I hope everyone understands the only way we get Trevor is if we get the number 1 pick which is far from decided yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, bealeb319 said: And then what happens when lawrence doesn't want to play for us since everyone in the media is advising him against it? What happens if we somehow suck less than another team? Can't trade darnold unless you secure Lawrence so darnold has to stay with team until atleast the draft. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobikle app IMO if you’re drafting Lawrence it’s because you don’t believe in Darnold, not just because you think he’s cheaper for 3 of the next 4 years, or because you think he’s a slight upgrade. If you believe in Darnold, the return we could get for trading out of the #1 spot with Lawrence there would be insane. Just saying, you either believe in in Darnold or you don’t, and belief in Darnold should not change based on the availability of TL. Both sides should move on and, his massive hype aside, Lawrence isn’t the only QB coming out this year and if he stays in school there will be others. Look at it this way, 2012 had a can’t miss QB go #1, and when the dust settled by 2019-2020, the 3rd and 4th QBs taken are now looking better than the 1st and certainly the 2nd one taken. It’s not Lawrence or nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 7:14 AM, Philc1 said: 1. The full on tank for Trevor is on 2. Cowboys absolutely need a qb. 3. Cowboys would essentially be getting Sam on a cheap 2 year deal. They can see if he’s the real deal for them playing with a better OL, WRs and coaching staff until Dak is ready to return in 2 years 4. Jets get a 1st to draft a WR like Jamar Chase to pair with Trevor Lawrence or a Justin Fields 5. Everyone wins Not sure we get a first for Sam and not sure Id want to trade him away but it is what it is, I think the facts of the situation suppose we are going to be having the first pick in the draft and I can imagine us not talking Trevor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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