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15 minutes ago, KRL said:

Here's my list right now I'm sure it will change.  I have four from college and two
from the pros:


David Shaw (Stanford) - is he finally ready to move to the next level?  He coached/
developed Andrew Luck and kept a tough academic school in the top 20 for years.  He
coached in BAL in 2002-2005 so there's a connection with Douglas, Alexander and Savage
in the front office


Jim Harbaugh (Michigan) - even though he has disappointed at Michigan (according to some)
his record is still 48-19.  In the pros at SF he was a beast and went 44-19 with a SB
appearance and two NFC championship games in four years.  Harbaugh resurrected Alex Smith's
career after he was considered a bust and was the only one to get production out of
Colin Kaepernick.  Since Douglas, Alexander and Savage have a relationship with his brother
John do they have a connection with him?


Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma) - hands down a brilliant offensive mind with no clue on the defensive
side of the ball.  That wouldn't stop me from going after him IF he's willing to hire a "gray
head" DC like Wade Phillips to help him create an actual NFL defense


Matt Campbell (Iowa St) - solid program builder at mid-level colleges, Toledo (35-15) and
Iowa St (30-27).  What impressed me with him was his ability to frustrate and beat Oklahoma
when Mayfield was there 


Arthur Smith (TEN OC) - credit to the fans who have brought up his name.  He is a former
college OLineman (similar background to Douglas) and stresses a physical run game to open
up the play action pass:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Smith_(American_football_coach)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/table/rushing/sort/rushingYardsPerGame/dir/desc

Smith has taken an average QB in Tannehill and made him effective.  And with a defensive HC
(Vrable) in charge of the team you know Smith is totally responsible for the entire offense


Brian Daboll (BUF OC) - former Jet QB coach under Mangini.  Excellent job in creating an offense
around Allen who is physically talented, but is still erratic, inaccurate and puts the ball on the
ground way too much.  He also works for a defensive HC (McDermott) so you know he also is
in total control of the offense:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Daboll

 

11 minutes ago, freestater said:

I need to learn more about Arthur Smith. Could the Jets' salvation be *gulp* the ground n' pound?

Arthur Smith is pretty interesting but the fact that teams stack the box to stop the Beast, Derrick Henry makes a lot of his throws very easily defined. I am not taking anything away from Tannehill, he has done much better than I thought he would. When a team can contain Henry or TITANS get behind it is a different story.

 

I don't know if Smith is a HC. We are looking for a HC not an OC. We are living through hell right now because a guy that had a few great seasons while carrying the title of Offensive Coordinator has killed 2 franchises. Smith has had 2 good offensive seasons. 

Maybe he would be a good HC, but there is a lot more that goes into a HC than just "well he did have 2 good seasons as an OC". Sure Tannehill looks much better with the TITANS but if you remove the main threat on that offense is it the same. TN spent 4 years building an offensive line.  drafted Henry and it still took them 3 years to realize what the had in Henry. it was mid way through last season that the light bulb went on and they started to ride Henry to success. 

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I would not touch Daboll, no head coaching experience and to me his offense is just ok. I had high hopes for him when he was with the Jets, but he has not progressed in my opinion since then.

Harbaugh is intriguing because he has the resume', but do we want to hire another coach who may get fired?

Riley and Campbell would be fresh and exciting hires but again they lack NFL experience.

Joe Brady could be real good

No on Roman

There is no clear cut guy. The only the clear cut is the Jets better get this one right

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Is Jim Caldwell someone we should consider?  Experienced, BAL connection (was their OC), a winner.  I thought he got run out of Det a bit too quickly.  Curious what some others think of him as a candidate?

I'm not a Roman or Dabol guy.  I think both are mediocre.  Harbaugh has the strong personality we need to break the SOJ crap that seems to follow this team around.  The others I don't know much about but always concerned about college guys getting first HC jobs.

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Joe Brady and Arthur Smith is who I've wanted, the ahead of the curve thinking that landed McVay and Shanahan with their respective teams. Obviously a ton of other things impacted their situations, but they have really impressive resumes over the past few seasons at LSU&CAR/Titans

They are basically what Gase was supposed to be, and paired with Lawrence/Fields and some new weapons they could at least make the offense look modern and competent in the short term.

I'd also be ok with Daboll and Roman. A 'program builder' like Matt Campbell might be intriguing as well.

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5 minutes ago, WowOhWow said:

Is Jim Caldwell someone we should consider?  Experienced, BAL connection (was their OC), a winner.  I thought he got run out of Det a bit too quickly.  Curious what some others think of him as a candidate?

I'm not a Roman or Dabol guy.  I think both are mediocre.  Harbaugh has the strong personality we need to break the SOJ crap that seems to follow this team around.  The others I don't know much about but always concerned about college guys getting first HC jobs.

Honestly, could do way, way worse than him. Would take him in a heartbeat over a bunch of guys.

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13 minutes ago, WowOhWow said:

Is Jim Caldwell someone we should consider?  Experienced, BAL connection (was their OC), a winner.  I thought he got run out of Det a bit too quickly.  Curious what some others think of him as a candidate?

I'm not a Roman or Dabol guy.  I think both are mediocre.  Harbaugh has the strong personality we need to break the SOJ crap that seems to follow this team around.  The others I don't know much about but always concerned about college guys getting first HC jobs.

This is a critical point at this time.  We need someone who flips the script on the culture of this team the moment he enters the building.  I think Harbaugh gets an extra check for that.  Not saying one of the young guns can't do it, but whoever we bring in has to bring gravitas or the fans and media will eat him up before his first PC is over.

 

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5 minutes ago, Young Jetty said:

I just want a leader. I dont care about offensive or defensive prowess, we can get top coordinators for that. After years of stoic coaches let get back to the coach that will have players wanting to run through a wall.

Gimme Harbaugh

Who you callin' stoic?

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Jim Harbaugh and Lincoln Riley are not coming to the Jets.

I think Daboll is an interesting choice. He's done good work in Buffalo. 

I'm warming up to the idea of Eric Bieniemy as well. Andy Reid has an impressive list of coordinators who've gone on to success as Head Coaches after working for him and Bieniemy has been with Andy for a long time. 

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33 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

My only fear with his is that he may not have enough experience or connections to field a full coaching staff (just turned 31), but I do really like him. I think Rhule won't be talking fondly about his Jets experience though.

The same fear we had that let Matt Rhule walk outta here. Brady was lights out at LSU and is winning games without the only weapon they have in Carolina on the IR. I’m sure we’ll find a way to screw it up though 

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24 minutes ago, WowOhWow said:

Is Jim Caldwell someone we should consider?  Experienced, BAL connection (was their OC), a winner.  I thought he got run out of Det a bit too quickly.  Curious what some others think of him as a candidate?

I'm not a Roman or Dabol guy.  I think both are mediocre.  Harbaugh has the strong personality we need to break the SOJ crap that seems to follow this team around.  The others I don't know much about but always concerned about college guys getting first HC jobs.

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Harbaugh is far and away the top guy. He has the pedigree, record, and attitude to change the culture around this franchise. 

Campbell is an out of the box type of candidate that interest me as well. A true CEO-type of coach rather than an offensive/defensive specialist.

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7 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Harbaugh is at the top of my list and it’s not even close.

That’s the big dog, “we’re not going to take this sh*t anymore” hire that this franchise desperately needs.

He’s the proven culture changer and figurehead that this team hasn’t had since Parcells.

Enough dicking around with coordinators with zero HC experience who you hope and pray can be “the guy”.

The 49ers had missed the playoffs for 8 straight years and then he stepped in and immediately turned them into a Super Bowl contender.

He’s also proven that he’s capable of putting together a great coaching staff. Guys like David Shaw and Greg Roman all got their big breaks under Harbaugh. And having the self awareness to realize that defense isn’t his forte, he went out and got a grizzled vet like Vic Fangio to run the 49ers defense.

If Chris and Woody can continually waste tens of millions on overpriced free agents who never come close to living up to their billing, then they can sure as hell go out and offer a proven coaching commodity like Harbaugh $10 million a year.

Harbough would be their "Hess moment." Just imagine the staff he would assemble.

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if u are going to draft trevor hire Dabo it is really that simple

the  jets are a trash organization at every level-at least with Dabo  you have a coach that trevor likes and respects and knows how to get production out of Trevor-yes the college game and pro game are different but Dabo can also be a calming positive influence on Trevor

 

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14 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Harbaugh is at the top of my list and it’s not even close.

That’s the big dog, “we’re not going to take this sh*t anymore” hire that this franchise desperately needs.

He’s the proven culture changer and figurehead that this team hasn’t had since Parcells.

Enough dicking around with coordinators with zero HC experience who you hope and pray can be “the guy”.

The 49ers had missed the playoffs for 8 straight years and then he stepped in and immediately turned them into a Super Bowl contender.

He’s also proven that he’s capable of putting together a great coaching staff. Guys like David Shaw and Greg Roman all got their big breaks under Harbaugh. And having the self awareness to realize that defense isn’t his forte, he went out and got a grizzled vet like Vic Fangio to run the 49ers defense.

If Chris and Woody can continually waste tens of millions on overpriced free agents who never come close to living up to their billing, then they can sure as hell go out and offer a proven coaching commodity like Harbaugh $10 million a year.

Another thing, how many current HC's in the NFL have been to the Super Bowl as HC's? Not that many. Don't get a chance at guys like this that often.

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7 minutes ago, section314 said:

Another thing, how many current HC's in the NFL have been to the Super Bowl as HC's? Not that many. Don't get a chance at guys like this that often.

It’s also vital that they get sh*t right this time.

If they don’t, then the Jets will officially join the ranks of where the Browns and Lions have been for the last 30 years. This team may very well go on one of those 20 year runs (we’re already half way there) without even making the postseason and completely solidly themselves as one of the 2 or 3 biggest sad sack franchises in NFL history.

If they screw it up this time, I’m done. Truly done.

I’m already the most disinterested in the NFL that I’ve ever been.

I’ll just call it quits with the NFL entirely and enjoy college ball.

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KRL, I appreciate your posts, and I think you're the best Jets "beat writer" we have. 

That said, I take huge issue with your comment on Lincoln Riley. It simply is not possible to be an "offensive genius" who "has no clue on defense". You have to understand what a defense is trying to do to you to be considered an offensive mastermind. 

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1 hour ago, WowOhWow said:

Is Jim Caldwell someone we should consider?  Experienced, BAL connection (was their OC), a winner.  I thought he got run out of Det a bit too quickly.  Curious what some others think of him as a candidate?

I'm not a Roman or Dabol guy.  I think both are mediocre.  Harbaugh has the strong personality we need to break the SOJ crap that seems to follow this team around.  The others I don't know much about but always concerned about college guys getting first HC jobs.

I wanted him after we fired Bowles. I thought he got run out of Detroit too quickly as well. But I think his time has passed at this point. 

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1 hour ago, Untouchable said:

Harbaugh is at the top of my list and it’s not even close.

That’s the big dog, “we’re not going to take this sh*t anymore” hire that this franchise desperately needs.

He’s the proven culture changer and figurehead that this team hasn’t had since Parcells.

Enough dicking around with coordinators with zero HC experience who you hope and pray can be “the guy”.

The 49ers had missed the playoffs for 8 straight years and then he stepped in and immediately turned them into a Super Bowl contender.

He’s also proven that he’s capable of putting together a great coaching staff. Guys like David Shaw and Greg Roman all got their big breaks under Harbaugh. And having the self awareness to realize that defense isn’t his forte, he went out and got a grizzled vet like Vic Fangio to run the 49ers defense.

If Chris and Woody can continually waste tens of millions on overpriced free agents who never come close to living up to their billing, then they can sure as hell go out and offer a proven coaching commodity like Harbaugh $10 million a year.

Speaking of that, imagine teaming up Harbaugh with Dan Quinn as his DC? Quinn has ties to the Jets.

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