Popular Post jgb Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Jamal Adams sucks. If honey badger didn't knock up Bowles' daughter he'd be a Jet and Adams/Maye never would've. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snook Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Bugg said: Big Picture; Jamal Adams is not a 1st round draft pick of any team other than the New York Jets. When they look at his play, he doesn't do anywhere near enough to justify much more than $8-10 million AAV . Seattle just gave up 2 1st round picks for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Larz said: Whoooosh How'd you even understand what he wrote? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: The footage of him screaming at Pete Carroll (a SB winning coach widely praised as a whiz in the secondary) was cathartic. So Adams figures to have now burned 2 bridges before getting to free agency. How does a GM justify paying him even $4-5 million, or giving him multiple years? Got to amend my thoughts; he's not getting anywhere near Mathieu-type contract numbers. At this rate he'll be lucky if Seattle signs him for bit above vet minimum to cover for the awfulness of the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 49 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 19 hours ago, jgb said: Don't see the relevance, but of course not. Relevance was the other end of the spectrum: Adams had a reputation as a star player; Enunwa did not. But for both, they'd likely/surely have gotten paid more by the Jets than if they shopped around. It seems we could probably add Anderson to that in the short term, though long term he really helped himself by getting out of here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I think Jamal will get between $10-12 million per year for 4 years, whereas he would have gotten between $15-16 million per year for 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sperm Edwards Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 16 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Holy crap. Within 2 seconds of Adams bumping him at the line there's 5 yards of separation. Crazier still is when he started chasing from behind he had position on that side of Diggs. Then Diggs cuts to Jamal's side not the opposite sideline, where Adams had a yard head start, and that led to even more separation. Getting Adams to change directions looks to be about as fast a process as getting a teenager out of bed in the morning. And this is how he looks in a contract year? Kudos to JD for not just failing to cave to his $20MM/year demands, with the tweeting and whining and however many "just pay the man" fans/media all the while, but in getting a pair of cheap 1st rounders and more in the process. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 31 minutes ago, Alka said: I think Jamal will get between $10-12 million per year for 4 years, whereas he would have gotten between $15-16 million per year for 4 years. And he isn't even worth that much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 21 hours ago, Pac said: The team that traded 2 1sts and a 3rd. They've locked themselves into a massive contract and I dont think that upsets them. Seattle is way over the cap and simply does not have the cash. They were hoping he would help them get a SB win, which might actually happen. If he doesn't improve drastically, I don't see them ponying up the cash for his demands which will begin this offseason. More than likely he will start talking about promises made to him when he agreed to play 2020 on his rookie deal etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 22 hours ago, STLuLu said: I loved having him on the Jets but I have to admit that he isn't making no difference in Seattle. Their defense still looks like garbage. Double negative alert. I can't believe I get to use this twice in ten days but for a different reason: "Can't nobody block me." - Dewayne Robertson BTW, I kid, I kid. I ain't no grammar po-po. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 22 hours ago, Bugg said: Big Picture; Jamal Adams is not a 1st round draft pick of any team other than the New York Jets. When they look at his play, he doesn't do anywhere near enough to justify much more than $8-10 million AAV . if Budda baker and honey badger are worth 13 than adams is worth somewhere in that neighborhood and side note the Jets have like 50 mil in dead cap with all these trades and cuts the idea that they traded 33 to be frugal is somewhat of a laugh it's not like they used the money on Robby or whatever they are starving the beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 47 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said: Seattle is way over the cap and simply does not have the cash. They were hoping he would help them get a SB win, which might actually happen. If he doesn't improve drastically, I don't see them ponying up the cash for his demands which will begin this offseason. More than likely he will start talking about promises made to him when he agreed to play 2020 on his rookie deal etc. I don't think there is any universe where Seattle gives 3 premium picks for a 1 year rental. When they signed the dotted line they knew they'd be making him the highest paid safety in the league this upcoming off-season. It is inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 22 hours ago, STLuLu said: I loved having him on the Jets but I have to admit that he isn't making no difference in Seattle. Their defense still looks like garbage. that the perfect argument for him NOT BEING ON THE JETS who tf wnats a loudmouth a$$hole who doesnt make a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 18 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: priceless 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Just now, Losmeister said: priceless * You spelled "Two 1sts and a 3rd" wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Pac said: I don't think there is any universe where Seattle gives 3 premium picks for a 1 year rental. When they signed the dotted line they knew they'd be making him the highest paid safety in the league this upcoming off-season. It is inevitable. Just like Douglas was definitely going to extend Adams here, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: Relevance was the other end of the spectrum: Adams had a reputation as a star player; Enunwa did not. But for both, they'd likely/surely have gotten paid more by the Jets than if they shopped around. It seems we could probably add Anderson to that in the short term, though long term he really helped himself by getting out of here. I am glad Adams was traded and thought Quincey signing was idiotic. I’m flummoxed if you see an inconsistency in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, bitonti said: if Budda baker and honey badger are worth 13 than adams is worth somewhere in that neighborhood and side note the Jets have like 50 mil in dead cap with all these trades and cuts the idea that they traded 33 to be frugal is somewhat of a laugh it's not like they used the money on Robby or whatever they are starving the beast Fair to note; if you want say Jim Harbaugh to come here, the Johnsons are going to start allowing Joe Douglas to spend money. He needs to be on Smith-Shuster's door at 0001 hours on the opening day of free agency, and not leave until he gets a signature. Johnsons act like they're getting a trophy for being cheap bastards. Same thing as to Harbaugh or another big time coach; signing ANOTHER coordinator who has never run a team is not going to fly ; it hasn't worked here. And somehow, hot dang, the Jets' HC is ALWAYS among the most reasonably-paid HC in the NFL.There is not a cap for HCs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, bitonti said: if Budda baker and honey badger are worth 13 than adams is worth somewhere in that neighborhood and side note the Jets have like 50 mil in dead cap with all these trades and cuts the idea that they traded 33 to be frugal is somewhat of a laugh it's not like they used the money on Robby or whatever they are starving the beast Cheap loser is more profitable than an expensive winner. I'm sick of "saving cap" when it's never spent wisely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bugg said: Fair to note; if you want say Jim Harbaugh to come here, the Johnsons are going to start allowing Joe Douglas to spend money. He needs to be on Smith-Shuster's door at 0001 hours on the opening day of free agency, and not leave until he gets a signature. Johnsons act like they're getting a trophy for being cheap bastards. Same thing as to Harbaugh or another big time coach; signing ANOTHER coordinator who has never run a team is not going to fly ; it hasn't worked here. And somehow, hot dang, the Jets' HC is ALWAYS among the most reasonably-paid HC in the NFL.There is not a cap for HCs. Profit is their trophy. In a way, Johnsholes are the smartest owners in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 11/8/2020 at 2:23 PM, Greenseed4 said: I do better with polls than discussions. The poles are closed all we have left is discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bugg said: Fair to note; if you want say Jim Harbaugh to come here, the Johnsons are going to start allowing Joe Douglas to spend money. He needs to be on Smith-Shuster's door at 0001 hours on the opening day of free agency, and not leave until he gets a signature. Johnsons act like they're getting a trophy for being cheap bastards. Same thing as to Harbaugh or another big time coach; signing ANOTHER coordinator who has never run a team is not going to fly ; it hasn't worked here. And somehow, hot dang, the Jets' HC is ALWAYS among the most reasonably-paid HC in the NFL.There is not a cap for HCs. Ok so for everyone talking about Jim Harbaugh every college coach you've ever heard of has a contract and that contract usually requires a meaty buyout im too lazy to look up jim harbaugh's contract with Michigan but it's gotta be large Real world example the Carolina Panthers paid 8 mil to Baylor for the right to pay 8 mil a year to Matt Rhule Adam Gase makes what... 2 or 3 or 4 mil? the Johnsons are not in that Harbaugh, Matt Rhule market etc and they never were Dowell Loggains is the type of coaches they hire they don't buyout talented coaches from places you've heard of they find Jeremy Bates types in the woods and pay them in beef jerky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bugg said: Fair to note; if you want say Jim Harbaugh to come here, the Johnsons are going to start allowing Joe Douglas to spend money. He needs to be on Smith-Shuster's door at 0001 hours on the opening day of free agency, and not leave until he gets a signature. Johnsons act like they're getting a trophy for being cheap bastards. Same thing as to Harbaugh or another big time coach; signing ANOTHER coordinator who has never run a team is not going to fly ; it hasn't worked here. And somehow, hot dang, the Jets' HC is ALWAYS among the most reasonably-paid HC in the NFL.There is not a cap for HCs. Say hello to Eric Bienemy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Pac said: I don't think there is any universe where Seattle gives 3 premium picks for a 1 year rental. When they signed the dotted line they knew they'd be making him the highest paid safety in the league this upcoming off-season. It is inevitable. Sure there is and it wouldn't be a one year rental. It's the same universe where they signed Matt Flynn to a yr 3 $ 26 mil contract and never started him because their 3rd rd pick looked better in his initial Pre season. Pete Caroll is not one to get caught in stuff like that. I get what you're saying of course, but they have Jamal under contract for 2021 and then have franchise options afterward if they so choose. Jamal wont like it an he will do his thing most likely, but It's more than possible that he never signs an extension with the Seahawks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I will say it this way: his performance so far does not guarantee that Seattle re-signs him. Probably a franchise tag. So a LOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said: Sure there is and it wouldn't be a one year rental. It's the same universe where they signed Matt Flynn to a yr 3 $ 26 mil contract and never started him because their 3rd rd pick looked better in his initial Pre season. Pete Caroll is not one to get caught in stuff like that. Jets fans have watched this franchise pour so many resources into sunken costs over the last 2 decades, they think its the norm around the league. It isn't. Wise teams cut their losses when its prudent to do so. It's very possible the Seahawks will be trying to flip Adams somewhere else by the 2021 trade deadline, if not sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said: Sure there is and it wouldn't be a one year rental. It's the same universe where they signed Matt Flynn to a yr 3 $ 26 mil contract and never started him because their 3rd rd pick looked better in his initial Pre season. Pete Caroll is not one to get caught in stuff like that. I get what you're saying of course, but they have Jamal under contract for 2021 and then have franchise options afterward if they so choose. Jamal wont like it an he will do his thing most likely, but It's more than possible that he never signs an extension with the Seahawks. I guess we'll see but for the record I'd like to note my strenuous objection to your hypothesis. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Jets fans have watched this franchise pour so many resources into sunken costs over the last 2 decades, they think its the norm around the league. It isn't. Wise teams cut their losses when its prudent to do so. It's very possible the Seahawks will be trying to flip Adams somewhere else 1.5 years from now, if not sooner. Right. We have no idea what their plan was or will be. The only thing we know is they thought the value of their misused 1sts was evenly weighted against an all pro. The whole plan could be to recoup an earlier first next year from the browns if Jamal starts pissing and moaning. how dumb would the move look if they get to the SB and flip him for the 12th pick in the draft in 2021 or 2022 all while the Jets have their 32nd pick? lol Either way the trade was phenomenal by JD. Sure he could misuse the resources he's gained but it doesn't look that way to me even though we haven't seen much from the injury crew just yet. The capital he gained is incredible. That makes it a good trade. And Jamal's play hasn't been bad to watch from this end either. Sort of like the Revis trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Pac said: I don't think there is any universe where Seattle gives 3 premium picks for a 1 year rental. When they signed the dotted line they knew they'd be making him the highest paid safety in the league this upcoming off-season. It is inevitable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pac said: I guess we'll see but for the record I'd like to note my strenuous objection to your hypothesis. Cool. I'll do my sincere best to remember it when it goes one way or the other. This way I can point a finger or hide from you one more point I'll quickly throw out there is the Revis trade to the Bucs. A top 10 pick, a 4th and $16 mil guaranteed for the right to watch him get his knee back into shape for a season. Cut the next year. It does happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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