LAD_Brooklyn Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Would have been sweet having two top 5 draft picks. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chirorob Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 Who actually knows what they were offering. JD got a legit good haul for Jamal. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I think they were offering their first rounder last year right? That equates to Ceedee Lamb, which it still pretty good 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Cowboys obviously weren't offering the same package. TBH, Seahawks defense is so bad that they're gonna lose some games. If they don't have a BYE there's always a chance the pick won't even be that late. And maybe it wouldn't be the worst think in the world if Russell sprained his ankle and missed a few games. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: I think they were offering their first rounder last year right? That equates to Ceedee Lamb, which it still pretty good Irvin - who according to DFW native Adams is "like an uncle to me'' - delivers the news with an undeniable bias toward the player and toward the Cowboys. But the Hall-of-Fame receiver reports that the Jets "want a first- and a third-round pick'' in any trade for the All-Pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, LAD_Brooklyn said: Irvin - who according to DFW native Adams is "like an uncle to me'' - delivers the news with an undeniable bias toward the player and toward the Cowboys. But the Hall-of-Fame receiver reports that the Jets "want a first- and a third-round pick'' in any trade for the All-Pro. None of that would have been 2021 picks, so even if true its pretty irrelevant now. Any interest the Cowboys had at the deadline seemingly evaporated by the offseason. They signed Clinton-Dix on the cheap and didn't even entertain signing Earl Thomas. Safety was no longer on the agenda. It came down to Seattle and maybe Baltimore who still had any legitimate interest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 Cowboys would be 9-0 if they had Adams. 1 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 I'm very happy with the haul that we got for the "best safety in the league" - thank you very much 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, BigRy56 said: I think they were offering their first rounder last year right? That equates to Ceedee Lamb, which it still pretty good I think that’s what the rumor was. The thing is the draft value falls off pdq so it’s hard to say which trade made more sense. On the other hand, more first round picks is a good thing especially since the one from the Seahawks isn’t going to be no. 32 or even 31 at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, rangerous said: I think that’s what the rumor was. The thing is the draft value falls off pdq so it’s hard to say which trade made more sense. On the other hand, more first round picks is a good thing especially since the one from the Seahawks isn’t going to be no. 32 or even 31 at this point. @Sperm Edwards posted a convincing argument that even Dallas' 1st rounder alone would have been more valuable than the package we got from Seattle, given how long we have to wait to "cash in" on that compensation. It's an interesting debate. Especially since we could have had Lamb in hindsight. Would you trade those two 1sts and a 3rd, right now, for Lamb? I think most here would. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, chirorob said: Who actually knows what they were offering. JD got a legit good haul for Jamal. Jets fans would find a way to be upset about winning Powerball. "Wait, there were TWO WINNERS?! Now I have to split $500 million dollars with ANOTHER PERSON?! What kind of shi t is this?! FML!" So instead of being stunned and amazed at actually having WON POWERBALL, which is practically UNWINNABLE, and being set for life a million times over, there's a complaint about the shi tty odds of two people hitting it, not the windfall. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: @Sperm Edwards posted a convincing argument that even Dallas' 1st rounder alone would have been more valuable than the package we got from Seattle, given how long we have to wait to "cash in" on that compensation. It's an interesting debate. Especially since we could have had Lamb in hindsight. Would you trade those two 1sts and a 3rd, right now, for Lamb? I think most here would. I think I’d like more picks. I believe sperms analysis on draft pick value but when the team needs so many positions it’s hard to see how a single first rounder would be more valuable than a pair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, rangerous said: I think I’d like more picks. I believe sperms analysis on draft pick value but when the team needs so many positions it’s hard to see how a single first rounder would be more valuable than a pair. Because we have to think of draft capital as a commodity or asset with a price tag on it, not so much as a player or player(s). Especially since you can trade picks for more picks, or for other player(s). It's currency. And a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 This I agree with but I can’t kill JD for asking for part of that cowboy Oline 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 Personally I would have traded him to the Jaguars. Would have been awesome to have the top 2 picks. Could have picked Lawrence AND Fields and move Darnold to TE. Think of all the possibility in a 3 QB formation. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 31 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Because we have to think of draft capital as a commodity or asset with a price tag on it, not so much as a player or player(s). Especially since you can trade picks for more picks, or for other player(s). It's currency. And a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. Yeah, but in this case it's a dollar today vs two dollars tomorrow. Still, already having Lamb ready and willing for T-Law or J-Field would be pretty sweet, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I wouldn't sweat it. Now that Adams is healthy again I expect Seattle to lose more games and give us a better #1 It truly warmed my heart to see him yelling at the world's greatest player's coach. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Personally I would have traded him to the Jaguars. Would have been awesome to have the top 2 picks. Could have picked Lawrence AND Fields and move Darnold to TE. Think of all the possibility in a 3 QB formation. Most exciting Jets offense since the dual threat of Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Yeah, but in this case it's a dollar today vs two dollars tomorrow. Still, already having Lamb ready and willing for T-Law or J-Field would be pretty sweet, though. Not really, no. That would only be true if we got two 1st rounders in 2021. It's more like $1 today vs. 55 cents in a year and then 50 cents a year after that. In the end you get $1.05 but have to wait two years to see it. You know I'm good at delaying gratification but this is a tough one. In the end I'm very glad to get what we got no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: @Sperm Edwards posted a convincing argument that even Dallas' 1st rounder alone would have been more valuable than the package we got from Seattle, given how long we have to wait to "cash in" on that compensation. It's an interesting debate. Especially since we could have had Lamb in hindsight. Would you trade those two 1sts and a 3rd, right now, for Lamb? I think most here would. It’s an interesting debate for sure ...I Didn’t see the argument for having Dallas’ 1st over all the Seattle picks so will take your word on it. As for having CeeDee?.......I’m not sure any 1 player is having much of an impact at all in this lost season, not even a player as talented as Lamb and especially not a WR who can only catch the ball if it’s thrown his way and therefor is wholly reliant on competent QB play, a functioning running game, a cohesive and capable OL and above all an OC that knows how to get them the ball....short of having Barry Sanders or Megatron I’m not sure anyone is making a difference on this team. Hell we’d probably have Barry running 3rd down wheel routes while feeding Frank Gore all day for 0.2 yards per carry. we need more talent all round and in every position, we need a complete overhaul of our training and conditioning so that that the chronic injury situation is addressed. We need players on the field gaining experience and an understanding of each other but more than anything we need to give guys a chance to make plays by surrounding them with other guys who can do their jobs and make plays. at least having the future picks hopefully gives Douglas an opportunity to learn from the mistakes of this year and re-stock. Put something remotely competitive on the field for 2021 and - pray to the lord - draft talented players who can have an impact and win us some games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 You can't make that trade on the assumption Seattle would do better than the Cowboys because we can't predict Dak getting hurt in a God awful division. Seattle is like 2 plays away from being 4-4, with the Patriots stalling at the 1 down 5, and the Vikings not taking the FG and extending the lead to 8. We also don't know that CeeDee Lamb makes it to the Cowboys pick, because that is what turned it into a stud pick. If the Cowboys pick say Jalen Reagor because Lamb was gone, would it be a great deal? The Cowboys were 4-3 at the deadline last year, and I believe in first place. The Eagles were at 4-4 and eventually won the division by one game, thanks in part to losing to the Eagles late in the year. I would much rather have the two first round picks and hope to secure two starters because this won't be a quick rebuild. We have too many holes for a quick rebuild unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, redlichtie said: It’s an interesting point fir sure ...I Didn’t see the argument for having Dallas’ 1st over all the Seattle picks so will take your word on it. As for having CeeDee?.......I’m not sure any 1 player is having much of an impact at all in this lost season, not even a player as talented as Lamb and especially not a WR who can only catch the ball if it’s thrown his way and therefor is wholly reliant on competent QB play, a functioning running game, a cohesive and capable OL and above all an OC that knows how to get them the ball....short of having Barry Sanders or Megatron I’m not sure anyone is making a difference on this team. Hell we’d probably have Barry running 3rd down wheel routes while feeding Frank Gore all day for 0.2 yards per carry. When you're talking draft picks, it's not about just production for this year. Lamb is under cheap team control for 5 years and has been quite impressive as a rookie, even as most WR's don't produce a whole lot as rookies, historically. Lamb will be here far longer than this HC will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: None of that would have been 2021 picks, so even if true its pretty irrelevant now. Any interest the Cowboys had at the deadline seemingly evaporated by the offseason. They signed Clinton-Dix on the cheap and didn't even entertain signing Earl Thomas. Safety was no longer on the agenda. It came down to Seattle and maybe Baltimore who still had any legitimate interest. Interest didn't at all evaporate. Cowboys and the Jets were just at different odds on the compensation therefore leading the Cowboys to move on and go ahead with life. But that's the wrong picture to think their interests had dwindled. Clinton Dix and Earl Thomas do not play the same position as Jamal Adams. Xavier Woods and Jamal play the same position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: @Sperm Edwards posted a convincing argument that even Dallas' 1st rounder alone would have been more valuable than the package we got from Seattle, given how long we have to wait to "cash in" on that compensation. It's an interesting debate. Especially since we could have had Lamb in hindsight. Would you trade those two 1sts and a 3rd, right now, for Lamb? I think most here would. No I wouldn't. We don't know who those players can turn into. Lamb is good but he is not the end all be all, imo. Lets see next draft and the one after who is available and more importantly who we select with those picks. We have a chance of getting 3 very, very good players instead of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: When you're talking draft picks, it's not about just production for this year. Lamb is under cheap team control for 5 years and has been quite impressive as a rookie, even as most WR's don't produce a whole lot as rookies, historically. Lamb will be here far longer than this HC will be. I don’t disagree but his rookie year would likely be a total wash(as we are seeing with Mims). This is a sh*tshow for any player to come into. But it’s a valid argument and who knows, perhaps Lamb looks good with us and either makes Darnold look better or gives the next FQB a legit WR1 to hit the road running with. But this team is in dire need of impact at so many positions that more picks is, on balance, more desirable provided we hit on 70% plus of those selections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Not really, no. That would only be true if we got two 1st rounders in 2021. It's more like $1 today vs. 55 cents in a year and then 50 cents a year after that. In the end you get $1.05 but have to wait two years to see it. You know I'm good at delaying gratification but this is a tough one. In the end I'm very glad to get what we got no matter what. Imo that perspective really only applies to GMs where time is of the essence. They'd rather improve the team now rather than later, because they might not be here later. For us fans, a 1st rounder come draft day 2023 is gonna feel just the same as a 1st rounder on draft day 2020. Personally, I don't mind waiting. The only potential differences are the exact draft slot, and the quality of players available, neither of which scale reliably or proportionately with time. Unless you want to argue that there's a reason you know our expected draft classes in 2021 and beyond will be weaker than in 2020, either due to weaker players coming out, or our expected draft slots will be lower, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Imo that perspective really only applies to GMs where time is of the essence. They'd rather improve the team now rather than later, because they might not be here later. For us fans, a 1st rounder come draft day 2023 is gonna feel just the same as a 1st rounder on draft day 2020. Personally, I don't mind waiting. The only potential differences are the exact draft slot, and the quality of players available, neither of which scale reliably or proportionately with time. Unless you want to argue that there's a reason you know our expected draft classes in 2021 and beyond will be weaker than in 2020, either due to weaker players coming out, or our expected draft slots will be lower, etc. I'm not talking about anything having to do with GM philosophy, team needs, etc. I'm talking about pure economic value. And in that sense, a 2020 first rounder is more valuable than the package of picks we got. In the end I think we will indeed be happier with what we got from Seattle than from Dallas. But we have to wait longer to see it come to fruition, hence where the discrepancy comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, HawkeyeJet said: Personally I would have traded him to the Jaguars. Would have been awesome to have the top 2 picks. Could have picked Lawrence AND Fields and move Darnold to TE. Think of all the possibility in a 3 QB formation. You’re thinking small- you gotta resign Tebow for wingback as well. 6 minute abs! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I’ll give sh*t to Douglas where it’s deserved but this is just laughable. He was to predict Dak Prescott’s ankle would explode? If Wilson gets that injury instead the Seahawks would struggle to win another game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Russell Wilson be IR’d next season and Shehawks will go winless And then we draft Manning first overall in 2022 when Trevor burns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Only a Jets fan would pine for a lesser alternative outcome than the greatest trade in the history of the franchise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 41 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I'm not talking about anything having to do with GM philosophy, team needs, etc. I'm talking about pure economic value. And in that sense, a 2020 first rounder is more valuable than the package of picks we got. In the end I think we will indeed be happier with what we got from Seattle than from Dallas. But we have to wait longer to see it come to fruition, hence where the discrepancy comes in. But that's my point. As a fan, how does the waiting drop the value? Come draft day, a 1st rounder is just as valuable as any 1st rounder on any draft day, barring discrepancies in draft slot/prospects available. I get how the longer wait lowers the value from a GM's perspective, because they're on borrowed time, but I just don't see how it lowers the value from the fan perspective. Now, if we were talking about a Jets team that was on the cusp of a Super Bowl and running out of time, then, yes, I'd agree that 1st round picks now are more valuable than later, but we're rebuilding arguably the least talented roster in the team's history. More picks > less picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, JetPotato said: Only a Jets fan would pine for a lesser alternative outcome than the greatest trade in the history of the franchise. Geno might still turn it around!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 3 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: Personally I would have traded him to the Jaguars. Would have been awesome to have the top 2 picks. Could have picked Lawrence AND Fields and move Darnold to TE. Think of all the possibility in a 3 QB formation. Considering how friggin' awful things turned out for the only NFL team to ever have the 1 and 2 picks in the draft, I'm not sure that would have been a good thing. Granted it was probably the most talent-poor draft in NFL history but the Colts completely whiffed on both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 We have no idea what the offer was. So, that pretty much ends that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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