Believe it or not but our Jets aren't the only Franchise to struggle winning a SB without a Franchise QB (Trevor Lawrence is a must).

[Defense Wins Championships]

Because the power of a Franchise QB within the form of a Generational Prospect can not, and I repeat can not be underestimated. 

KC Chiefs: Before Mahomes, like our Jets; had 1 SB dating back to the 1969-1970 season (the year after Namath won it of 1968-1969) and now because of Mahomes their fan base can die in peace. 

N.E Patriots: They were once called the Boston Patriots from 1960-1970 and up until Brady of 2001 (they had a combined whopping 0 SB's) and went on to win 6 under Brady. 

New Orleans Saints: Dating back from 1970 up until trading for Drew Brees (2006) they had 0 SB titles and their fan base once wore brown paper bags of their face as an embarrassment. Their bad luck changed landing Drew Brees; and now have 1 SB title (8 postseason appearance(s) under Brees within a 15 year run). 

Green Bay Packers: Before Brett Favre (1996) and Aaron Rodgers (2010) dating back to the merger they only had 2 Super Bowls (1966 and 1967). It took two HOF QB prospects in Favre/Rodgers to bring them back to their 1920's, 1930's, 1940's and 1960's glory days; because before Favre of 1996 even the Green Bay Packers were on a 29 year SBless drought. 

San Francisco 49ers: From 1946 throughout 1980 they had a combined 0 SBs. It took them getting lucky with a 3rd round Joe Montana to win them their first ever 4 SBs of 1981, 1984, 1988 & 1989 and another HOF QB in Steve Young to win their 5th and last SB (1994). 

Pittsburgh Steelers: They were once called the Pittsburgh Pirates of 1933-1939 (and no, not the baseball team) and up until 1973 they had 0 SB titles. It took them Terry Bradshaw a 1st overall pick later turned HOF QB (1970) to win them their first 4 SBs throughout the 70's and then another future HOF QB in big Ben (round 1, pick 11) to win them another two (2005 and 2008). And now they've got 6 of them. 

Denver Broncos: They've been around since 1960. They had 0 SB titles up unti 1997 and 1998; where it took the greatest QB Prospect of All-Time (before Manning) in John Elway (drafted 1st overall of 1983) before finally getting over the hump and winning their first SBs of All-Time (97 and 98). And then they won another one with the greatest QB prospect since Elway and another 1st overall pick (of Indy) to win their 3rd and final SB of All-time within an older Peyton Manning (2015). 

Indianapolis Colts: They only had 1 official SB after the merger during the 1970 season by a guy named Johnny Unitas. They immediately fell into NFL purgatory; up until drafting Peyton Manning #1 overall (1998) and finally won another one and their 2nd ever in 2006 (their fan base can also, rest in peace forever). 

Seattle Seahawks: They got lucky with a 3rd round Russell Wilson (2012). But before Wilson's 1st and only SB of 2013? They had a combined and whopping 0 SB's dating back to 1974; it took a Franchise QB to help win them their first and only SB (2013). 

Etc. Etc. 

And even though it feels like we're the only ones as Jet fans? We're not; because teams and opposing fan bases such as the Bengals, Bills, Browns, Cardinals, Chargers, Falcons, Jaguars, Lions, Panthers, Texans, Titans and Vikings have all experienced 0 SB celebrations (combined). 

And I'm sorry but the likes of the Pennington's, Geno's, Sanchez's and Darnold's of the world etc (although promising) were never (once) considered generational and by far the greatest QB Prospects to come out since dating back to Elway and Manning coming out, however; Trevor Lawrence is. 

So therefore I never want to hear their names mentioned alongside of Trevor Lawrence who recently became the first and only True Freshman to EVER win a National Championship dating back to the 1985-1986 season (ala the year I was born of 1985). 

Trevor Lawrence is truly special. And generational. He was also the #1 overall HS recruit within the entire Country coming out (and the biggest High School recruit since Peyton Manning). 

In closing, i have one question for some of these Jet fans who currently judge other Jet fans for wanting to lose in order to receive the #1 overall pick and Trevor Lawrence (for hope of a better future)...

Because generational Quarterback Prospects like Trevor do not come around all that often. 

[LockeJET]

I'm not reading this!!

[Jet Nut]

Captain Obvious

 

[shuler82]

I’m pretty sure that I read  defense wins championship somewhere.

[Integrity28]

[Jets Voice of Reason]

Yikes. 

[JTJet]

Man tf outta here with old ass Scott Glenn in Training Day...

Scott Glenn in his prime fighting sword wielding bad guys, THATS where it's at...

[Bronx]

22 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

 

Is the system, solid coaching and winning culture that have made these teams attractive and steady.

How many of these teams drafted a QB with the #1 overall pick? Not many and why? Because of their discipline, scouting and ownership which have impede and avoid tanking.

Look at the Steelers, did they tanked last season? No. There were even rumors about possible coaching changes but they never quit. Look at them now!

Never quit or surrender! 

[Paradis]

17 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Because the power of a Franchise QB within the form of a Generational Prospect can not, and I repeat can not be underestimated. 

"QB needed to win a SB - Trevor Lawrence is a must"

by,

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS

[Defense Wins Championships]

Just now, Paradis said:

"QB needed to win a SB - Trevor Lawrence is a must"

by,

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS

Don't worry. Because once we land Trevor Lawrence as the greatest and highest ranked QB prospect coming out since Elway/Manning? I'm immediately changing my user name to OffenseWinsChampionships (and the era of DWC comes to an end). 

[Jet Nut]

Trevor, Justin, whoever it is, good QB play is a must

Its football in the 2000's

[Defense Wins Championships]

21 minutes ago, Bronx said:

 

How many of these teams drafted a QB with the #1 overall pick? Not many and why? Because of their discipline, scouting and ownership which have impede and avoid tanking.

Look at the Steelers, did they tanked last season? No. There were even rumors about possible coaching changes but they never quit. Look at them now!

Never quit or surrender! 

Elway and Manning both went #1 overall and Trevor is without question rated as the #1 QB Prospect coming out since dating back to (you guessed it) Elway and Manning. 

And speaking of Ben Roethlisberger, no, he didn't go #1 overall but he was selected 11th overall and the 3rd QB selected of the 1st round. The QB who was drafted 1st overall was Eli Manning (2 SBs). 

I left off the Cowboys but I forgot to mention how Troy Aikman, another 1st overall pick; went #1 overall of the 1st round. 

4 #1 overall picks (Elway/Peyton/Eli/Aikman). 

Yes. I'll gladly take my chances with Trevor Lawrence. 

[jgb]

There are 100 roads to a ring. 95 of them start with a good QB.

[Fantasy Island]

54 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Because the power of a Franchise QB within the form of a Generational Prospect can not, and I repeat can not be underestimated. 

KC Chiefs: Before Mahomes, like our Jets; had 1 SB dating back to the 1969-1970 season (the year after Namath won it of 1968-1969) and now because of Mahomes their fan base can die in peace. 

N.E Patriots: They were once called the Boston Patriots from 1960-1970 and up until Brady of 2001 (they had a combined whopping 0 SB's) and went on to win 6 under Brady. 

New Orleans Saints: Dating back from 1970 up until trading for Drew Brees (2006) they had 0 SB titles and their fan base once wore brown paper bags of their face as an embarrassment. Their bad luck changed landing Drew Brees; and now have 1 SB title (8 postseason appearance(s) under Brees within a 15 year run). 

Green Bay Packers: Before Brett Favre (1996) and Aaron Rodgers (2010) dating back to the merger they only had 2 Super Bowls (1966 and 1967). It took two HOF QB prospects in Favre/Rodgers to bring them back to their 1920's, 1930's, 1940's and 1960's glory days; because before Favre of 1996 even the Green Bay Packers were on a 29 year SBless drought. 

San Francisco 49ers: From 1946 throughout 1980 they had a combined 0 SBs. It took them getting lucky with a 3rd round Joe Montana to win them their first ever 4 SBs of 1981, 1984, 1988 & 1989 and another HOF QB in Steve Young to win their 5th and last SB (1994). 

Pittsburgh Steelers: They were once called the Pittsburgh Pirates of 1933-1939 (and no, not the baseball team) and up until 1973 they had 0 SB titles. It took them Terry Bradshaw a 1st overall pick later turned HOF QB (1970) to win them their first 4 SBs throughout the 70's and then another future HOF QB in big Ben (round 1, pick 11) to win them another two (2005 and 2008). And now they've got 6 of them. 

Denver Broncos: They've been around since 1960. They had 0 SB titles up unti 1997 and 1998; where it took the greatest QB Prospect of All-Time (before Manning) in John Elway (drafted 1st overall of 1983) before finally getting over the hump and winning their first SBs of All-Time (97 and 98). And then they won another one with the greatest QB prospect since Elway and another 1st overall pick (of Indy) to win their 3rd and final SB of All-time within an older Peyton Manning (2015). 

Indianapolis Colts: They only had 1 official SB after the merger during the 1970 season by a guy named Johnny Unitas. They immediately fell into NFL purgatory; up until drafting Peyton Manning #1 overall (1998) and finally won another one and their 2nd ever in 2006 (their fan base can also, rest in peace forever). 

Seattle Seahawks: They got lucky with a 3rd round Russell Wilson (2012). But before Wilson's 1st and only SB of 2013? They had a combined and whopping 0 SB's dating back to 1974; it took a Franchise QB to help win them their first and only SB (2013). 

Etc. Etc. 

And even though it feels like we're the only ones as Jet fans? We're not; because teams and opposing fan bases such as the Bengals, Bills, Browns, Cardinals, Chargers, Falcons, Jaguars, Lions, Panthers, Texans, Titans and Vikings have all experienced 0 SB celebrations (combined). 

And I'm sorry but the likes of the Pennington's, Geno's, Sanchez's and Darnold's of the world etc (although promising) were never (once) considered generational and by far the greatest QB Prospects to come out since dating back to Elway and Manning coming out, however; Trevor Lawrence is. 

So therefore I never want to hear their names mentioned alongside of Trevor Lawrence who recently became the first and only True Freshman to EVER win a National Championship dating back to the 1985-1986 season (ala the year I was born of 1985). 

Trevor Lawrence is truly special. And generational. He was also the #1 overall HS recruit within the entire Country coming out (and the biggest High School recruit since Peyton Manning). 

In closing, i have one question for some of these Jet fans who currently judge other Jet fans for wanting to lose in order to receive the #1 overall pick and Trevor Lawrence (for hope of a better future)...

Because generational Quarterback Prospects like Trevor do not come around all that often. 

Oh yes they do.

[Defense Wins Championships]

1 hour ago, Fantasy Island said:

Oh yes they do.

None of those guys EVER had the type of college career that Trevor Lawrence is currently enjoying.

And I'll just star with the first guy. 

Jamarcus Russell: 3 years. 

Record of 28-7 (.622%). 

1 National Championship Game appearance.

493/777 (61.9%). 

6,625 passing yards. 

8.4 yards per pass attempt. 

52 TD's/21 INT's. 

2.47 TD to INT Ratio. 

139 rushes, 79 rushing yards (0.6 yards per carry) and 4 rushing TD's. 

QB Rating: 147.9. 

28-7 (.622%), 6,704 combined offensive yards and 56 combined TD's/21 INT's (35 games).

__________________________

Trevor Lawrence: 3 years.  

Record of 35-1 (.972%). 

2 (potentially 3) National Championship Game appearances) 

662/995 (66.5%). 

8,778 passing yards.

8.8 yards per pass attempt. 

83 TD's/14 INT's. 

5.92 TD to INT Ratio. 

192 rushes, 811 rushing yards (4.2 yards per carry) and 14 rushing TDs).

QB Rating: 165.4. 

35-1 (.972%), 9,589 combined offensive yards and 97 combined TD's/14 INT's (36 games).

I have no idea why you'd ever try and compare the two because this is a classic example of...

 

 

Trevor played in only 1 more game than Russell (36 vs. 35) but yet had 6 fewer loses than Russell,

threw for 2,153 more passing yards than Russell,

732 more rushing yards than Russell,

31 more passing TDs then Russell, 10 more rushing TDs than Russell,

7 fewer INT's than Russell despite 218 more pass attempts (hense the whole 5.92 TD to INT Ratio (TL) vs. 2.47 TD to INT Ratio (JR),

2,885 more combined offensive yards than Russell,

a better completion percentage than Russell,

41 more combined offensive TDs than Russell

and a much better QB Rating than Russell etc, etc

(dominates Russell within every statistical category known to man kind

as the first and only True Freshman to ever win a National Championship Game since dating back to 1985) etc, etc...

But yet you feel you have the RIGHT to lump them together? Absolutely cluelessness. 

You should do a little more research on history and statistical production before ever "posting pictures" in order to "discredit" the greatest QB Prospect coming out since dating back to Elway/Manning and yes, better than Andrew Luck coming out too. 

[The Gooch]

I just hope Trevor does come out!

[ZachEY]

Definitely didn’t read the blog, but based on the title... Thank god we finally have someone to take the unpopular position... Not afraid to drop truth bombs... that quarterbacks... are... important.

[Fantasy Island]

2 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

None of those guys EVER had the type of college career that Trevor Lawrence is currently enjoying.

And I'll just star with the first guy. 

Jamarcus Russell: 3 years. 

Record of 28-7 (.622%). 

1 National Championship Game appearance.

493/777 (61.9%). 

6,625 passing yards. 

8.4 yards per pass attempt. 

52 TD's/21 INT's. 

2.47 TD to INT Ratio. 

139 rushes, 79 rushing yards (0.6 yards per carry) and 4 rushing TD's. 

QB Rating: 147.9. 

28-7 (.622%), 6,704 combined offensive yards and 56 combined TD's/21 INT's (35 games).

__________________________

Trevor Lawrence: 3 years.  

Record of 35-1 (.972%). 

2 (potentially 3) National Championship Game appearances) 

662/995 (66.5%). 

8,778 passing yards.

8.8 yards per pass attempt. 

83 TD's/14 INT's. 

5.92 TD to INT Ratio. 

192 rushes, 811 rushing yards (4.2 yards per carry) and 14 rushing TDs).

QB Rating: 165.4. 

35-1 (.972%), 9,589 combined offensive yards and 97 combined TD's/14 INT's (36 games).

I have no idea why you'd ever try and compare the two because this is a classic example of...

 

 

Trevor played in only 1 more game than Russell (36 vs. 35) but yet had 6 fewer loses than Russell,

threw for 2,153 more passing yards than Russell,

732 more rushing yards than Russell,

31 more passing TDs then Russell, 10 more rushing TDs than Russell,

7 fewer INT's than Russell despite 218 more pass attempts (hense the whole 5.92 TD to INT Ratio (TL) vs. 2.47 TD to INT Ratio (JR),

2,885 more combined offensive yards than Russell,

a better completion percentage than Russell,

41 more combined offensive TDs than Russell

and a much better QB Rating than Russell etc, etc

(dominates Russell within every statistical category known to man kind

as the first and only True Freshman to ever win a National Championship Game since dating back to 1985) etc, etc...

But yet you feel you have the RIGHT to lump them together? Absolutely cluelessness. 

You should do a little more research on history and statistical production before ever "posting pictures" in order to "discredit" the greatest QB Prospect coming out since dating back to Elway/Manning and yes, better than Andrew Luck coming out too. 

They were all great.  I hope he is legit.  If we keep Gase it doesn't matter anyway, Trevor will be ruined here.

 

[Irish Jet]

Never does a poster post so much while saying so f*cking little.

[68JET11]

He's BACK.....

[nyjunc]

It's been proven you don't need a great QB to win a SB (Eli, flacco, solder, foles, ...) but having a great one gives you more opportunities to compete for SBs.  The only great QB we really had was Joe and that was brief thanks to injuries.  We see some great seasons from Vinny and Chad but we are due for a top QB.  Can Sam develop into that or can it be Trevor? 

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

It's been proven you don't need a great QB to win a SB (Eli, flacco, solder, foles, ...) but having a great one gives you more opportunities to compete for SBs.  The only great QB we really had was Joe and that was brief thanks to injuries.  We see some great seasons from Vinny and Chad but we are due for a top QB.  Can Sam develop into that or can it be Trevor? 

Those QBs you listed played like number 1s during their runs to the SB and in the SB.

 

[nyjunc]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Those QBs you listed played like number 1s during their runs to the SB and in the SB.

 

Flacco is the only one to have a great postseason and be the reason his team won.  Foles had a great SB but the D led them to the SB and Eli was good but incredible D carried the Giants to both SB wins.

[Defense Wins Championships]

48 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Flacco is the only one to have a great postseason and be the reason his team won.  Foles had a great SB but the D led them to the SB and Eli was good but incredible D carried the Giants to both SB wins.

What are you talking about? 

Eli Manning had great postseason runs during both of his two SB title runs...

During his first SB run during the playoffs/SB combined he went 72/119 (60.5%), 854 passing yards, 6 TD's/1 INT and a QB Rating of 95.7. 

During his second SB throughout the playoffs/SB combined he went 106/163 (65.0%), 1,219 passing yards, 9 TD's/1 INT and a QB Rating of 103.3. 

During both playoff/SB runs (combined) Eli Manning went 8-0 while throwing for 178/282 (62.8%), 2,073 passing yards, 15 TD's/2 INT's (7.5 TD to INT Ratio) and a beautiful QB Rating of 99.5. 

You couldn't be more wrong in regards to Eli Manning's postseason dominance during NYG's two SB title runs.... 

[Bruce Harper]

It doesn’t seem so long ago we were talking about Sam being this guy.


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[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Flacco is the only one to have a great postseason and be the reason his team won.  Foles had a great SB but the D led them to the SB and Eli was good but incredible D carried the Giants to both SB wins.

Foles:  238 vs Atlanta, 346 vs Vikings, 374  vs Pats.  Their D gave up 600 total yards and 500 passing yards in the SB.   
 The D didn’t lead a thing

[choon328]

20 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Because the power of a Franchise QB within the form of a Generational Prospect can not, and I repeat can not be underestimated. 

KC Chiefs: Before Mahomes, like our Jets; had 1 SB dating back to the 1969-1970 season (the year after Namath won it of 1968-1969) and now because of Mahomes their fan base can die in peace. 

N.E Patriots: They were once called the Boston Patriots from 1960-1970 and up until Brady of 2001 (they had a combined whopping 0 SB's) and went on to win 6 under Brady. 

New Orleans Saints: Dating back from 1970 up until trading for Drew Brees (2006) they had 0 SB titles and their fan base once wore brown paper bags of their face as an embarrassment. Their bad luck changed landing Drew Brees; and now have 1 SB title (8 postseason appearance(s) under Brees within a 15 year run). 

Green Bay Packers: Before Brett Favre (1996) and Aaron Rodgers (2010) dating back to the merger they only had 2 Super Bowls (1966 and 1967). It took two HOF QB prospects in Favre/Rodgers to bring them back to their 1920's, 1930's, 1940's and 1960's glory days; because before Favre of 1996 even the Green Bay Packers were on a 29 year SBless drought. 

San Francisco 49ers: From 1946 throughout 1980 they had a combined 0 SBs. It took them getting lucky with a 3rd round Joe Montana to win them their first ever 4 SBs of 1981, 1984, 1988 & 1989 and another HOF QB in Steve Young to win their 5th and last SB (1994). 

Pittsburgh Steelers: They were once called the Pittsburgh Pirates of 1933-1939 (and no, not the baseball team) and up until 1973 they had 0 SB titles. It took them Terry Bradshaw a 1st overall pick later turned HOF QB (1970) to win them their first 4 SBs throughout the 70's and then another future HOF QB in big Ben (round 1, pick 11) to win them another two (2005 and 2008). And now they've got 6 of them. 

Denver Broncos: They've been around since 1960. They had 0 SB titles up unti 1997 and 1998; where it took the greatest QB Prospect of All-Time (before Manning) in John Elway (drafted 1st overall of 1983) before finally getting over the hump and winning their first SBs of All-Time (97 and 98). And then they won another one with the greatest QB prospect since Elway and another 1st overall pick (of Indy) to win their 3rd and final SB of All-time within an older Peyton Manning (2015). 

Indianapolis Colts: They only had 1 official SB after the merger during the 1970 season by a guy named Johnny Unitas. They immediately fell into NFL purgatory; up until drafting Peyton Manning #1 overall (1998) and finally won another one and their 2nd ever in 2006 (their fan base can also, rest in peace forever). 

Seattle Seahawks: They got lucky with a 3rd round Russell Wilson (2012). But before Wilson's 1st and only SB of 2013? They had a combined and whopping 0 SB's dating back to 1974; it took a Franchise QB to help win them their first and only SB (2013). 

Etc. Etc. 

And even though it feels like we're the only ones as Jet fans? We're not; because teams and opposing fan bases such as the Bengals, Bills, Browns, Cardinals, Chargers, Falcons, Jaguars, Lions, Panthers, Texans, Titans and Vikings have all experienced 0 SB celebrations (combined). 

And I'm sorry but the likes of the Pennington's, Geno's, Sanchez's and Darnold's of the world etc (although promising) were never (once) considered generational and by far the greatest QB Prospects to come out since dating back to Elway and Manning coming out, however; Trevor Lawrence is. 

So therefore I never want to hear their names mentioned alongside of Trevor Lawrence who recently became the first and only True Freshman to EVER win a National Championship dating back to the 1985-1986 season (ala the year I was born of 1985). 

Trevor Lawrence is truly special. And generational. He was also the #1 overall HS recruit within the entire Country coming out (and the biggest High School recruit since Peyton Manning). 

In closing, i have one question for some of these Jet fans who currently judge other Jet fans for wanting to lose in order to receive the #1 overall pick and Trevor Lawrence (for hope of a better future)...

Because generational Quarterback Prospects like Trevor do not come around all that often. 

I figured any team that wants to win a championship would just need Jamal Adams to do it.  Look at the difference he's making on the Seahawks defense. 

[nyjunc]

On 11/11/2020 at 11:14 AM, Defense Wins Championships said:

What are you talking about? 

Eli Manning had great postseason runs during both of his two SB title runs...

During his first SB run during the playoffs/SB combined he went 72/119 (60.5%), 854 passing yards, 6 TD's/1 INT and a QB Rating of 95.7. 

During his second SB throughout the playoffs/SB combined he went 106/163 (65.0%), 1,219 passing yards, 9 TD's/1 INT and a QB Rating of 103.3. 

During both playoff/SB runs (combined) Eli Manning went 8-0 while throwing for 178/282 (62.8%), 2,073 passing yards, 15 TD's/2 INT's (7.5 TD to INT Ratio) and a beautiful QB Rating of 99.5. 

You couldn't be more wrong in regards to Eli Manning's postseason dominance during NYG's two SB title runs.... 

Eli was solid, he was not great.  They won because the defense was spectacular.  In Eli's entire postseason career he never won a game when his defense allowed more than 20 points in a game, in flacco's '12 run alone it happened twice including the SB.

In Eli's entire postseason career he led his offense to more than 24 points just one time, in flacco's '12 run alone he did it 3 times.

 

Eli was good, flacco was GREAT.  Eli helped much the way Sanchez helped the Jets make 2 conference title games but flacco was why the Ravens won

[nyjunc]

On 11/11/2020 at 11:58 AM, Jet Nut said:

Foles:  238 vs Atlanta, 346 vs Vikings, 374  vs Pats.  Their D gave up 600 total yards and 500 passing yards in the SB.   
 The D didn’t lead a thing

The D allowed 17 points total in the 2 NFC playoff games including a 15-10 win where they had to stop Atlanta in the EZ at the end of the game.

In the SB it was all O and Foles was amazing, a true about MVP (unlike SBs 42 & 46).