Popular Post T0mShane Posted November 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, rangerous said: If Adams was playing better there’d be all kinds of fan outrage. Jamal mouthed his way out. Counterpoint: Jamal is playing the way Jamal has always played. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 43 minutes ago, bitonti said: I can't prove this and neither can you but I believe the Jets with 33 would be 2-7 right now. Some would say this is no different than being winless. But I say every win is a good thing and every loss is step backwards Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app I guess you can take that tack. I suspect Adams would’ve given QBs like Allen and newton more pressure than they’ve gotten from the jets. Davis had that roughing call and it cost the jets a first down. But how 2-7 is any better at this point than 0-9 is beyond me. This team needs players and they’re not going to come in the mid rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, dbatesman said: No it's not. fair enough the defense is 27th the offense is 32nd put it another way the D has gotten much worse and the O is about as bad as it was last year they were a play away against NE the other night i know everyone's thrilled we're going winless but it didn't have to be this way and Trevor aside i'm not sure it's a step forward for the franchise either we are witnessing rock bottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, rangerous said: But how 2-7 is any better at this point than 0-9 is beyond me. This team needs players and they’re not going to come in the mid rounds. Sam Darnold went 3rd, Lamar Jackson went 32nd in the same draft every win is a step in the right direction every loss reinforces a culture of losing even if Jamal Adams really doesn't make a difference and these picks are worth more than an all pro $LB/SS the Seahawks making that trade believe they are winning now it's not just Jamal by the way CJ Mosely opted out a week later the 33 trade signaled the tank to the locker room and it's gone downhill since then. maybe with CJ and 33 they are approaching 3 and 6 etc. It's better than knowing the whole team is getting fired in 6 months and it's basically an expansion franchise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Dunnie said: Pure speculation How's that? The Jets sucked for 3 years when Adams was here (16-32 record) and the defense wasn't discernibly better in the rankings before and after Adams was here, especially in the pass defense rankings. Meanwhile, he's done absolutely nothing to make a positive impact in Seattle. What would have been different about year 4 in terms of Adams' impact as a Jet? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Sam Darnold went 3rd, Lamar Jackson went 32nd in the same draft every win is a step in the right direction every loss reinforces a culture of losing even if Jamal Adams really doesn't make a difference and these picks are worth more than an all pro $LB/SS the Seahawks making that trade believe they are winning now it's not just Jamal by the way CJ Mosely opted out a week later the 33 trade signaled the tank to the locker room and it's gone downhill since then. maybe with CJ and 33 they are approaching 3 and 6 etc. It's better than knowing the whole team is getting fired in 6 months and it's basically an expansion franchise Didn’t we just do exactly that for a decade plus? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted November 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, bitonti said: and Trevor aside i'm not sure it's a step forward for the franchise either Are you equating the impact of Jamal Adams to the potential impact of Trevor Lawrence right now? 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: The Jets sucked for 3 years when Adams was here (16-32 record) Same can be said for Sam Darnold who has more influence on the outcome of the game than Jamal Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Just now, joewilly12 said: Same can be said for Sam Darnold who has more influence on the outcome of the game than Jamal Adams. That’s true and seems we are moving on from him as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Crusher said: That’s true and seems we are moving on from him as well. Great news too bad it didn't work out. Next man up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggy001 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Would like him to have only one good game for rest of yr, versus us! Keep the tank going. I’d expect him to get at least 2 sacks against us, knows our Crappy playbook Inside and out...btw, if Goff is on, another 400 yds passing vs Seattle this week, will be ugly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, riggy001 said: Would like him to have only one good game for rest of yr, versus us! Keep the tank going. I’d expect him to get at least 2 sacks against us, knows our Crappy playbook Inside and out...btw, if Goff is on, another 400 yds passing vs Seattle this week, will be ugly Wouldn’t it be great if Becton pancaked the big mouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, rangerous said: Hard to say. I don’t think Douglas should make or not make any deal based on fan support. It’s also been argued that the pick value the jets would’ve got is worth more than what they did get. Don’t get me wrong, I think the trade is great but numbers don’t always mean quality or even the impact on the team. And, let’s be clear. If Adams was playing better there’d be all kinds of fan outrage. Jamal mouthed his way out. I agree, but I think Jamal was being traded either way. With that said, it worked out the best way it could have, especially with the fan support. A lot of genius happens by accident-- the Beatles did not design Rubber Soul to look that way but when they were looking at a projection of the cover to see how it would look, it fell a bit giving it that distorted look and they were like "WE WANT THAT!" Sometimes you just get lucky. Also, credit to @GREENBEAN because he mentions this (the basis around my original post) in a video when it happened and I thought it was an interesting and original take. I think JD is much sneakier than we give him credit for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 3 hours ago, bitonti said: I can't prove this and neither can you but I believe the Jets with 33 would be 2-7 right now. Some would say this is no different than being winless. But I say every win is a good thing and every loss is step backwards Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app We went 6-2 to finish the year last year. What would our record have been today, would you say, were we only 2-6? As, you know, incremental wins in a losing season matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 5 hours ago, T0mShane said: Are you equating the impact of Jamal Adams to the potential impact of Trevor Lawrence right now? I mean he thinks a strong safety is worth at least two wins on his own, so 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: How's that? The Jets sucked for 3 years when Adams was here (16-32 record) and the defense wasn't discernibly better in the rankings before and after Adams was here, especially in the pass defense rankings. Meanwhile, he's done absolutely nothing to make a positive impact in Seattle. What would have been different about year 4 in terms of Adams' impact as a Jet? I was quoting ... And they'd be 0-9 with Jamal Adams on the field as well .. this is pure speculation. You dont know this because you cannot tell how Williams would have used him vs Carroll ... also you do not know how the defense would have fed off his energy. Defense was better weith him last year .. fact. Your expert analysis is extremely fallible and flawed. Edited November 12, 2020 by Dunnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 3 hours ago, TeddEY said: We went 6-2 to finish the year last year. What would our record have been today, would you say, were we only 2-6? As, you know, incremental wins in a losing season matter. 1-7 set us up for 6-2 which set us up for 0-9. Duh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dunnie said: I was quoting ... And they'd be 0-9 with Jamal Adams on the field as well .. this is pure speculation. You dont know this because you cannot tell how Williams would have used him vs Carroll ... also you do not know how the defense would have fed off his energy. Defense was better weith him last year .. fact. Your expert analysis is extremely fallible anf flawed. We have enough data to to be able to make an educated guess. It's not wild speculation. No reasonable person should be watching the 2020 Jets play and be saying "Man, if only we still had Jamal Adams!" Meanwhile, Bitonti's argument is, essentially, that going 1-8 or 2-7 with Jamal Adams is worth two 1sts and a 3rd. 99 % of people here understand this is lunacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dunnie said: I was quoting ... And they'd be 0-9 with Jamal Adams on the field as well .. this is pure speculation. You dont know this because you cannot tell how Williams would have used him vs Carroll ... also you do not know how the defense would have fed off his energy. Defense was better weith him last year .. fact. Your expert analysis is extremely fallible anf flawed. He is being used much the same in Seattle, he has been asked to actually cover a bit more and has been getting killed in coverage. The games before he got hurt he was being used exacty as he was used here and they had to change because it exposes your secondary when you have a SS up front on every single play. He can't cover and worse yet he produces almost no turnovers at all. His game is not much different from what it was here, he was just protected by the DC by not asking him cover anyone. He has totally proven he was the most overrated player in the whole league. Douglas was a genius finding a team who bought into the hype and got max return for a guy whose play will only go down hill, will become a problem for his new team and will want way more money than he is worth. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: We have enough data to to be able to make an educated guess. It's not wild speculation. No reasonable person should be watching the 2020 Jets play and be saying "Man, if only we still had Jamal Adams!" Meanwhile, Bitonti's argument is, essentially, that going 1-8 or 2-7 with Jamal Adams is worth two 1sts and a 3rd. 99 % of people here understand this is lunacy. I totally support that lunacy .. it does not make Jamal an inferior player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Beerfish said: He is being used much the same in Seattle, he has been asked to actually cover a bit more and has been getting killed in coverage. The games before he got hurt he was being used exacty as he was used here and they had to change because it exposes your secondary when you have a SS up front on every single play. He can't cover and worse yet he produces almost no turnovers at all. His game is not much different from what it was here, he was just protected by the DC by not asking him cover anyone. He has totally proven he was the most overrated player in the whole league. Douglas was a genius finding a team who bought into the hype and got max return for a guy whose play will only go down hill, will become a problem for his new team and will want way more money than he is worth. Disagree .. when he was here he was a difference maker. But please continue to educate the football world that doesnt know better. Is his weakness coverage ? YEs .. like most hybrid LB/StrongSafeties it is. Edited November 12, 2020 by Dunnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dunnie said: I totally support that lunacy .. it does not make Jamal an inferior player. No, his inferior play this season makes him an inferior player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No, his inferior play this season makes him an inferior player. I have not seen the seattle games to make that judgement .. if he is being used predominantly in coverage that is not his position of stregnth. Its like saying that fish sucks because it cant fly. Edited November 12, 2020 by Dunnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 So, who do you think Jamal will be playing for next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 Just now, pointman said: So, who do you think Jamal will be playing for next season? Hopefully not Dallas. I don't want him getting anything he wants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, pointman said: So, who do you think Jamal will be playing for next season? Dallas or NE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Dallas or NE. New England would be hilarious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Hopefully not Dallas. I don't want him getting anything he wants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Hopefully not Dallas. I don't want him getting anything he wants. Jerry jones is not as dumb as people like to make it out. He will not go for jamal. Seattle will be stuck with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: 1-7 set us up for 6-2 which set us up for 0-9. Duh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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