Cutler or Brick? both are good options

[bitonti]

Personally i'd be happy with either at 4. People have all these extremes of emotions regarding who the Jets should pick, i think they are in a great spot and whichever out of Cutler/Brick Tennessee doesn't take, we take the other.

if somehow Cutler and Brick get taken they take Leinart. If all three are gone they take Bush. there are also "darkhorses" like Mario Williams, Ngata etc - great prospects in their own right.

maybe im missing something but rare is there a first round pick this cut and dried. It's low stress, any way you look at it, a premium prospect should be coming to the Jets.

[LionelRichie]

Personally i'd be happy with either at 4. People have all these extremes of emotions regarding who the Jets should pick, i think they are in a great spot and whichever out of Cutler/Brick Tennessee doesn't take, we take the other.

if somehow Cutler and Brick get taken they take Leinart. If all three are gone they take Bush. there are also "darkhorses" like Mario Williams, Ngata etc - great prospects in their own right.

maybe im missing something but rare is there a first round pick this cut and dried. It's low stress, any way you look at it, a premium prospect should be coming to the Jets.

bitonti -

who was the highest paid player to ever win a super bowl (either in terms of SB or avg yearly salary)?

[bitonti]

bitonti -

who was the highest paid player to ever win a super bowl (either in terms of SB or avg yearly salary)?

real money or adjusted for inflation? i could just find the highest "number" but that doesn't necessarily mean anything due to inflation.

[LionelRichie]

real money or adjusted for inflation? i could just find the highest "number" but that doesn't necessarily mean anything due to inflation.

feel free to adjust it the same % that the cap increased in the season

[bitonti]

feel free to adjust it the same % that the cap increased in the season

what about super bowl winning Qbs not in the salary cap era?

to be honest i could figure something out but it's like asking someone for a phD thesis paper.

It could be that adjusted for inflation maybe Tom Brady was the highest paid super bowl winner. I'd have to do alot more research before I stand by that statement.

Money isn't everything. The contract Vinny Testaverde got at age 38 was more money than max numbers that Montana, Young, Marino, Aikman ever got in their careers.

[ThisYearsModel]

Personally i'd be happy with either at 4. People have all these extremes of emotions regarding who the Jets should pick, i think they are in a great spot and whichever out of Cutler/Brick Tennessee doesn't take, we take the other.

if somehow Cutler and Brick get taken they take Leinart. If all three are gone they take Bush. there are also "darkhorses" like Mario Williams, Ngata etc - great prospects in their own right.

maybe im missing something but rare is there a first round pick this cut and dried. It's low stress, any way you look at it, a premium prospect should be coming to the Jets.

We'll probably take some unknown tight end at #4.

[Stonehands]

Personally i'd be happy with either at 4. People have all these extremes of emotions regarding who the Jets should pick, i think they are in a great spot and whichever out of Cutler/Brick Tennessee doesn't take, we take the other.

if somehow Cutler and Brick get taken they take Leinart. If all three are gone they take Bush. there are also "darkhorses" like Mario Williams, Ngata etc - great prospects in their own right.

maybe im missing something but rare is there a first round pick this cut and dried. It's low stress, any way you look at it, a premium prospect should be coming to the Jets.

Aren't you the least bit suspicious that such a tight-lipped group would let their alleged interest in Cutler slip out?

[faba]

Aren't you the least bit suspicious that such a tight-lipped group would let their alleged interest in Cutler slip out?

I am not Bit- but I will give the answer that all the misinformation out there is a smoke screen- no one can say for sure who the Jets are going to pick- yes we show interest in certain players and the media assumes we are in love with them- who really knows

[Kentucky Jet]

I am not Bit- but I will give the answer that all the misinformation out there is a smoke screen- no one can say for sure who the Jets are going to pick- yes we show interest in certain players and the media assumes we are in love with them- who really knows

I agree with you! We won't know who we will draft UNTIL after he is drafted! And that is as it should be!

[LionelRichie]

what about super bowl winning Qbs not in the salary cap era?

to be honest i could figure something out but it's like asking someone for a phD thesis paper.

It could be that adjusted for inflation maybe Tom Brady was the highest paid super bowl winner. I'd have to do alot more research before I stand by that statement.

Money isn't everything. The contract Vinny Testaverde got at age 38 was more money than max numbers that Montana, Young, Marino, Aikman ever got in their careers.

my point is simply that the $$ the #4 pick will command is not in line with performance or accomplishments on the field. i really hope the jets don't tie that much $$ up in 1 unproven player. i agree that d'brick will be a star in this league but still may not be worth the $20M+ bonus out of college.

if the cba is extended and the league keeps the cap the NFL is a league about the team not the star. paying a ton of $$ to 1 player is not the formula for winning the superbowl - especially a player with zero NFL experience.

[PatsFanTX]

Personally i'd be happy with either at 4. People have all these extremes of emotions regarding who the Jets should pick, i think they are in a great spot and whichever out of Cutler/Brick Tennessee doesn't take, we take the other.

if somehow Cutler and Brick get taken they take Leinart. If all three are gone they take Bush. there are also "darkhorses" like Mario Williams, Ngata etc - great prospects in their own right.

maybe im missing something but rare is there a first round pick this cut and dried. It's low stress, any way you look at it, a premium prospect should be coming to the Jets.

So bit, what happens if Young falls to #4 instead of Cutler (highly doubtful, BTW).

What do the Jets do? Take Young or D'Brick?

[StillerPaul]

Personally i'd be happy with either at 4. People have all these extremes of emotions regarding who the Jets should pick, i think they are in a great spot and whichever out of Cutler/Brick Tennessee doesn't take, we take the other.

if somehow Cutler and Brick get taken they take Leinart. If all three are gone they take Bush. there are also "darkhorses" like Mario Williams, Ngata etc - great prospects in their own right.

maybe im missing something but rare is there a first round pick this cut and dried. It's low stress, any way you look at it, a premium prospect should be coming to the Jets.

Excellent point. When ya have the 4th overall pick in a draft this deep you should land a damn good player. There's no pressure to take the consensus best player, like at #1. The Jets can zero in on whom they like best and go from there.

[bitonti]

my point is simply that the $$ the #4 pick will command is not in line with performance or accomplishments on the field. i really hope the jets don't tie that much $$ up in 1 unproven player. i agree that d'brick will be a star in this league but still may not be worth the $20M+ bonus out of college.

if the cba is extended and the league keeps the cap the NFL is a league about the team not the star. paying a ton of $$ to 1 player is not the formula for winning the superbowl - especially a player with zero NFL experience.

with thinking like that why would anyone draft top 10 players any given year?

because historically there are more all-pros taken in the top half of the first round than any other region of the draft. these are premium prospects. Maybe Cutler is a smoke screen for Brick. Maybe Brick is a smoke screen for Cutler? Frankly I don't care as long as they don't trade down. That's a gutless way out of a great draft pick. 1997 Parcells draft proves that if you trade down 13 busts are more expensive in the long run than 1 great player.

[RSJ]

Farrior wound up being a good pick and a lot cheaper. Wasn't feasable to have 2 #1 overall picks on the roster along with the dead weight Parcells needed to get rid of.

That being said I would be happier with Brick at this point. But I would still rather see the Jets trade down if given the opportunity.

[shutout]

Farrior wound up being a good pick and a lot cheaper. Wasn't feasable to have 2 #1 overall picks on the roster along with the dead weight Parcells needed to get rid of.

That being said I would be happier with Brick at this point. But I would still rather see the Jets trade down if given the opportunity.

Agreed...Ideally,we could move down into the 10-15 range,pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd,and grab Lendale White. However,I would also be content to stay at 4 and grab D'Brick.

TX,I know your question wasn't directed to me,but if Tennessee took Cutler and it was Young/D'Brick at 4,I'd take D'Brick (assuming no one was willing to trade up for VY). Young is too much of a gamble IMO. We've already got a rebuilding that will probably take 2-3 years minimum and it would be a disaster if Young craps out. While its possible that D'Brick busts too,screwing up your choice for Franchise QB is disastrous to a team. If only I could back that last sentence up with a recent example...

[Kentucky Jet]

Omar Jacobs | #4

Quarterback - Bowling Green

Height: 6'4"

Weight: 215

Omar Jacobs is definitely continuing the long line of great young MAC quarterbacks. Without question, Jacobs is a special player that definitely has a bright future at the next level. He has big league arm strength blended in with very good accuracy and decision making. He plays the game with great intelligence, as he makes great reads on defenses. He is an athlete too, and can throw very precisely while he is on the run. He throws passes where only receivers can get it making it very difficult for defensive backs to make a play on the ball. His big frame and terrific physical abilities also make him a hot prospect, he has the muscle, strength, and gritty toughness that is ready to take the abuse of NFL defenses. He manages the game so well for someone with his experience that it is amazing thing to witness. It really is hard to find a direct knock on his skills at quarterback, but if there is one, it is his mechanics. He has a bit of an awkward release which I feel could be holding him back. Also, in terms of his production, he is playing in a system that inflates numbers big time, and he is also doing this against the weak defenses of the MAC. I currently think the Jacobs is ready to take the next step, but it all depends on what he wants to do. If he feels he is ready, which he certainly is, then without question he can be a top 15 pick in 2006, but if he stays for one more year, and he plays his cards right, he could end up being the first pick in the 2007 draft. Another variable that might play into to him staying or leaving is that he has had some injury problems this season which could either impact his decision for either side of the situation.

Strengths:

[PatsFanTX]

TX,I know your question wasn't directed to me,but if Tennessee took Cutler and it was Young/D'Brick at 4,I'd take D'Brick (assuming no one was willing to trade up for VY). Young is too much of a gamble IMO.

shutout,

If Young falls to the Jets at #4, can you just imagine some of the offers they would get from some other teams on draft day?

The Jets are really sitting pretty with the #4 pick.

A ton of options available to them.

[JonEJet]

No reason whatsover to draft Cutler

Too big of a risk

Draft D'Brick....or trade down

[nj meadowlands]

If the Jets came home with either Cutler, Brick, Ngata, or Deangelo Williams, I'd be happy

[Barton]

Players I will not complain about if we draft at #4

Mario Williams

D'Brickashaw Ferguson

Matt Leinart (But I worry about the fact he's had surgery on his throwing arm already)

Reggie Bush

Jay Cutler (somehow, I'm starting to warm up to this guy. Lets be real, Chad is done, and you dont get many shots for a top QB in the draft, it could be worth the risk. We'll see)

(Brick is the safest pick. Cutler with the biggest upside as a Jet.)

[PatsFanTX]

No reason whatsover to draft Cutler

Too big of a risk

Draft D'Brick....or trade down

Holy crap, JonE made a post that makes sense.

[LionelRichie]

with thinking like that why would anyone draft top 10 players any given year?

because historically there are more all-pros taken in the top half of the first round than any other region of the draft. these are premium prospects. Maybe Cutler is a smoke screen for Brick. Maybe Brick is a smoke screen for Cutler? Frankly I don't care as long as they don't trade down. That's a gutless way out of a great draft pick. 1997 Parcells draft proves that if you trade down 13 busts are more expensive in the long run than 1 great player.

Bit -

the point is that with the escalating salaries to the top 5 picks very few players are worth that kind of $$. if the jets wanted a $20M+ LT they probably could have had walter jones last year for their 1st rd pick. the same can be said for QB. i think the current draft system is flawed and does not necassarily benefit the worst teams in the league. the niners certainly got screwed last year by paying smith (who had shown nothing) Brady type $$.

with the # of holes the jets have and the salary cap still in effect the best thing they can do is trade down and select players that fit into mangini's system. the best "team" wins not the team with the most stars. to win in the nfl you need depth and players that buy into the system. there are so many injuries in today's game that you cannot afford to kill the cap with 1 or 2 players, especially if they don't play QB.

[JetsMan57]

Before Dbrick put on 17 pounds I was leaning towards Cutler.. But now with Dbrick at 312 pounds this is gutt wrenching. Dbrick at 312 could be a Walter Jones type player.

Cutler may not be worth of the 4th pick, but if he is a legit first round prospect I cant kill the Jets for taking him especially with our QB situation.

How about we trade Abe for a top 10 pick and take both lol

[LionelRichie]

Bit -

one more point: you consider yourself a draft guru, correct? what if i told you that you could build a team that fit your style with mid to late 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rd picks only? do you think you could do that? that is exactly what the jets need to do, use the scouting dept to find players that are cost effective and fit with what mangini is trying to build.

[shutout]

shutout,

If Young falls to the Jets at #4, can you just imagine some of the offers they would get from some other teams on draft day?

The Jets are really sitting pretty with the #4 pick.

A ton of options available to them.

I agree TX,and I specifically mentioned the Cardinals and Denny Green as a team that would probably be interested in moving up for Young in another thread.

#4 is suddenly not as bad a spot to be in as it looked back at the end of the season. The best thing that could have happened to the Jets did happen; Young tore up USC and declared making the draft the big 4 of Bush,Leinart,Ferguson,and Young.

If Tennessee does take D'Brick/Cutler,I can only imagine/hope that several teams call up Tanngini looking to give up a bundle for the guy with the T-Rex throwing motion.

[bitonti]

Bit -

one more point: you consider yourself a draft guru, correct? what if i told you that you could build a team that fit your style with mid to late 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rd picks only? do you think you could do that? that is exactly what the jets need to do, use the scouting dept to find players that are cost effective and fit with what mangini is trying to build.

a team could do it but why would you want to? Why not get the best possible athletes? Every team - even the Pats usually have 1 or 2 elite draft picks like Richard Seymour somewhere on the roster.

[Sperm Edwards]

a team could do it but why would you want to? Why not get the best possible athletes? Every team - even the Pats usually have 1 or 2 elite draft picks like Richard Seymour somewhere on the roster.

We already have one, don't we? I think he plays DT but I can't remember for sure.

With this logic, we would have been FOOLS to trade out of the #1 spot (Keyshawn), acquire extra high picks, and draft Marvin Harrison.

I believe you think, as I do, that there are alomst 50 guys (pre-combine) that would carry 1st-round grades. You use Parcells' trade-down as the reason for why-not-to-do-it. But here's the problem with that: Parcells got swindled by today's standards. He traded down from 1 to 6 I think for a late 3rd-rounder & then again to #8 for an even later pick. That's how we ended up with "13 scrubs". I don't know if the draft value chart existed back then, but if it did then Tuna arrogantly ignored it. Trading down from #1 (3000 pts) to #6 (1600 pts) should have also netted the equivalent of the #8 pick in the first round. He took a 3rd rounder from Denver I think & selected Dedric Ward(?).

There's nothing wrong with trading down, as long as you get appropriate compensation for doing so. With the Tuna chart, trading down from #4 to #10 would've netted an additional 5th rounder instead of the 10th pick in round two.

You can't use Tuna getting ripped off as the boilerplate reason as to why one should "never" trade down if proper compensation is given.