Jetscode1 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I'd rather talk about the skills of Camille Crimson. Definitely Pro-bowl material. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 16M for that ? No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 So it’s pretty clear OP is a troll who loves USC. Can you please go to a USC forum and discuss this there? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 hours ago, DarnoldHomer said: This year. In 9 games he has 5 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 11 QB hurries. Q has 3 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 5 QB hurries. So much for the curse of the Jets following a player Contract year. Once the Giants pay him with lots of guaranteed $$$$, he will go back to his usual JAG routine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetscode1 said: I'd rather talk about the skills of Camille Crimson. Definitely Pro-bowl material. You gave yourself a post of the week rep for this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 4 hours ago, PCP63 said: So? Doesn't change the fact that he was a lazy POS here, and it was a good trade. You’re thinking Lazy Mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 4 hours ago, DarnoldHomer said: This year. In 9 games he has 5 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 11 QB hurries. Q has 3 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 5 QB hurries. So much for the curse of the Jets following a player In the NFC least , doesn't count. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 9 hours ago, DarnoldHomer said: This year. In 9 games he has 5 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 11 QB hurries. Q has 3 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 5 QB hurries. So much for the curse of the Jets following a player Ok. And? Leonard is 26 years old as a 6th year player. QW is only 22 years of age and only a 2nd year kid. Why compare Leo to "QW"? Why not compare Leo to Aaron Donald and/or other pro bowl veterans lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Should've kept him and drafted offense. Not that I think he's awesome or anything, but the delta between Q and Leo not that huge. Oh right but cheapo Jets wanted to save money to go right to Woody's bottom line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, jgb said: Should've kept him and drafted offense. Not that I think he's awesome or anything, but the delta between Q and Leo not that huge. Oh right but cheapo Jets wanted to save money to go right to Woody's bottom line. Na. We can (now) simply throw big money at an offensive FA WR (for Trevor) such as an Allen Robinson or JuJu; instead of having to pay Leo a monster contract... Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said: Na. We can (now) simply throw big money at an offensive FA WR (for Trevor) such as an Allen Robinson or JuJu; instead of having to pay Leo a monster contract... Problem solved. FA WR gonna cost as much as 2 Leos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, jgb said: FA WR gonna cost as much as 2 Leos. And they'll be worth more than 2x the worth of Leo (for TL). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Mogglez said: So it’s pretty clear OP is a troll who loves USC. Can you please go to a USC forum and discuss this there? Helen under her new name? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Do Jet fans ever learn? Leo is playing in a contract year, he's literally busting his azz for his next contract, that is a thing in today's NFL unfortunately. No one here said Leo is a bad player, what we always said is that he might be slightly above average & that should never correlate to a contract slightly under the BEST DTs in the NFL. Overpaying for mediocre is why the Jets SUCK! They paid in the past because they were such terrible at the draft guys that might be slightly above average stand out as our best players, but they aren't even close to the best this league has to offer each week on other teams. It's like Hunter Henry wanting Kelce money. A GM that recognizes the difference like JD will help us rebuild correctly going forward. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Mogglez said: So it’s pretty clear OP is a troll who loves USC. Can you please go to a USC forum and discuss this there? must be Keyshawn Johnson - he's turned into a USC shill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 The giants are 2-7 with him they can have Leo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Jetster said: Do Jet fans ever learn? Leo is playing in a contract year, he's literally busting his azz for his next contract, that is a thing in today's NFL unfortunately. No one here said Leo is a bad player, what we always said is that he might be slightly above average & that should never correlate to a contract slightly under the BEST DTs in the NFL. Overpaying for mediocre is why the Jets SUCK! They paid in the past because they were such terrible at the draft guys that might be slightly above average stand out as our best players, but they aren't even close to the best this league has to offer each week on other teams. It's like Hunter Henry wanting Kelce money. A GM that recognizes the difference like JD will help us rebuild correctly going forward. He’s like John Abraham without the sacks, qb pressures tackles and game changing plays 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 19 hours ago, DarnoldHomer said: This year. In 9 games he has 5 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 11 QB hurries. Q has 3 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 5 QB hurries. So much for the curse of the Jets following a player Yeah, way to set a low bar... Hey Mr giggles, has LW missed any games? Q has, and he's only in his second year. Meanwhile, have you seen the teams in the nfe east? LW reminds me of MW (career wise), and how did that work out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 WAIT! A player with great potential who plays like a JAG is having a career year during a contract season? Who'd a thunk it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 11 hours ago, TeddEY said: contract year Mo Wilk Mach II. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 12 hours ago, DarnoldHomer said: But He’s not JAG.... Nobody said he was a JAG. But when he says he wants to get 20M per year, there is no universe, parallel or otherwise, where he get that kind of commitment from the Jets. If another team wants to pay him that, good luck, I have a sneaking suspicion it will backfire. The Jets did the right thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said: And they'll be worth more than 2x the worth of Leo (for TL). My point is best option was to re-sign Leo, and draft a WR instead of Q (that year, could've traded down, got more picks and gotten the WR). Of course, there is a bust risk and it is an opinion with the benefit of hindsight. And FYI I would be wary of JuJu -- or any Steelers WR -- that system seems plug-and-play for WR1s. They never seem to be the same guy after leaving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 People care about the oddest things I swear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 A few other posters have made this point but Leonard this year is just a motivated contract year version of the player he's always been -- good run stuffing DT, pretty talented, but non impact player. Because of his name and top 6 pick status he's going to command a salary much greater than his actual worth. He's not a bad player, he made one Pro Bowl here too. He's just not worth what he's going to get paid and wasn't worth his draft status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 13 hours ago, TeddEY said: contract year Mostly this but probably football reasons too. Back when Williams was drafted the story was not fast off the ball, read and react player, and Patriots defense seems like a much better fit for that than anything Bowles/Gdogg had him doing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 So the giaints give him a big contract, probably with some good guarantees. In the meantime they’re just about in the same place the jets are personnel wise so they’ll have a ton of money tied up. And to top it off, Danny dimes might not be the guy. Good luck to Leo for having a good year. It’s not like he was a bad player just one that cost too much at the wrong time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 hours ago, jgb said: FA WR gonna cost as much as 2 Leos. He is making $16M. That APY puts him above Robinson, Diggs, Landry and Davante Adams. The Jets could have had Anderson and Perriman for what Williams is making this season and he refused the Giants efforts to extend him. Keeping him would have been insane. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: He is making $16M. That APY puts him above Robinson, Diggs, Landry and Davante Adams. The Jets could have had Anderson and Perriman for what Williams is making this season and he refused the Giants efforts to extend him. Keeping him would have been insane. Ah, thanks. Although a FA WR 1 will likely jump to highest (or at least top 3) paid WRs. So instead of having a WR on a rookie deal, we have Q. I guess then the best option would have been to not resign Leo -- draft a WR in round one -- and find a run-stuffing DL later in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 this dude is a troll but the point that Leonard Williams is a good player and the Jets don't keep their good players is a sound one imagine a defense with Leo and Q, or Leo, Q and Sheldon they chose cap space instead the Jets have 45 mil in dead spend this year I like Ashtyn Davis more than most but the Jets would be better with Williams, Anderson, Demario Davis, Andre Roberts and all the other legit players they decided to let go/trade instead of paying the Mercinaries like Trumaine, Mosely, Bell etc. Jets fans have a preternatural hatred for our own draft picks, particularly paying them money all the casual fans who want to win games have left and the remaining fanbase are all cap accountants and tank commanders 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, bitonti said: this dude is a troll but the point that Leonard Williams is a good player and the Jets don't keep their good players is a sound one imagine a defense with Leo and Q, or Leo, Q and Sheldon they chose cap space instead the Jets have 45 mil in dead spend this year I like Ashtyn Davis more than most but the Jets would be better with Williams, Anderson, Demario Davis, Andre Roberts and all the other legit players they decided to let go/trade instead of paying the Mercinaries like Trumaine, Mosely, Bell etc. Jets fans have a preternatural hatred for our own draft picks, particularly paying them money all the casual fans who want to win games have left and the remaining fanbase are all cap accountants and tank commanders It is an interesting phenomenon that us fans of a team that has measured out as one of the worst-drafting teams of the decade, continue to place all our faith in the draft. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Mogglez said: So it’s pretty clear OP is a troll who loves USC. Can you please go to a USC forum and discuss this there? So you're saying the OP presented himself here as......a Trojan horse? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, jgb said: It is an interesting phenomenon that us fans of a team that has measured out as one of the worst-drafting teams of the decade, continue to place all our faith in the draft. The draft is literally the only place to go to have any sustainable success in the NFL. What alternative choice do we have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 52 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: The draft is literally the only place to go to have any sustainable success in the NFL. What alternative choice do we have? Yeah but when we hit on a pick in the draft, why does it always seem we dump him for peanuts when it's time to lock him down -- or at the least, why do we always choose the wrong bum to lock down? At least JD got impressive value for Adams -- I hope things are changing in more ways than one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, jgb said: Yeah but when we hit on a pick in the draft, why does it always seem we dump him for peanuts when it's time to lock him down -- or at the least, why do we always choose the wrong bum to lock down? At least JD got impressive value for Adams -- I hope things are changing in more ways than one... We don't actually hit on the picks, that's why. The only 1st round picks this team actually hit on in the last 2 decades are Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold and Darrelle Revis. And all of those guys got extended past their rookie deals. In addition, Muhammad Wilkerson and Mark Sanchez were NOT hits, yet the Jets extended them beyond their rookie deals. Wilkerson, Sanchez, and the rest of our 1st rounders (except Becton) can all kick rocks for all I care. They all deserved to get traded away (whether they were or not), and it would have been horrible decisions to extend any of them (whether they were or not). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 15 hours ago, DarnoldHomer said: This year. In 9 games he has 5 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 11 QB hurries. Q has 3 sacks, 7 TFL’s and 5 QB hurries. So much for the curse of the Jets following a player Thats because he got away from Gase. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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