manuvsteal Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 This is not really a draft topic, but more of a we're already in the 2021 season hypothetical question. What if the Jets draft Trevor Lawrence and he stinks? I don't mean horrible, but borderline stinks. For example 2700 yards 15 TD/15 interceptions in his rookie year. Then he follows it up with a 2022 season of 19TD/13 INT in his sophomore season along with 3,000 yards. Do you try to trade him in year 3? I only ask because Sam Darnold put up 17TD/15INT and followed with 19TD/13TD in his second season. For those that hold Darnold to a standard that he should be traded for Lawrence while he was throwing to Chris Hogan, Braxton Berrios, Jeff Smith, Josh Malone this year, what would the bar be for Trevor Lawrence if he's throwing to 3 starting caliber receivers? I'm not looking for an argument per se. I am looking for an honest fans assessment of what it would mean if Trevor Lawrence had Sam Darnold's equivalency of success? Continue building around him, or cut him loose? What is the bar to say Lawrence is successful or not the QB of the future? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 He doesn’t suck. Sam does. There is a difference. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, manuvsteal said: This is not really a draft topic, but more of a we're already in the 2021 season hypothetical question. What if the Jets draft Trevor Lawrence and he stinks? I don't mean horrible, but borderline stinks. For example 2700 yards 15 TD/15 interceptions in his rookie year. Then he follows it up with a 2022 season of 19TD/13 INT in his sophomore season along with 3,000 yards. Do you try to trade him in year 3? I only ask because Sam Darnold put up 17TD/15INT and followed with 19TD/13TD in his second season. For those that hold Darnold to a standard that he should be traded for Lawrence while he was throwing to Chris Hogan, Braxton Berrios, Jeff Smith, Josh Malone this year, what would the bar be for Trevor Lawrence if he's throwing to 3 starting caliber receivers? I'm not looking for an argument per se. I am looking for an honest fans assessment of what it would mean if Trevor Lawrence had Sam Darnold's equivalency of success? Continue building around him, or cut him loose? What is the bar to say Lawrence is successful or not the QB of the future? Sam had Robby, Robby now has a average QB and looks better than any year here. The receivers were hurt this year okay? The number 3rd overall pick should be able to carry the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthCoastJetsFan Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, GreekJet said: He doesn’t suck. Sam does. There is a difference. We don't know that yet and we didn't know it about Darnold when he was drafted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I'm feeling like you're way out over your skis with this thread. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 why would you even say that 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 If he sucks we get to debate for years about how the Jets ruined him, too. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 In your hypothetical situation he sucks as much as Darnold but is cheaper and under team control for longer, so I don't see the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jet2020 Posted November 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2020 Why is this even a question? Of course he’s gonna suck. He’s gonna be a Jet. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 If he sucks we still have James Morgan and Mike White or Joe Flacco 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuvsteal Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 All responses, and still no answers to my question. What does success look like, and what does failure look like? Looking for numbers, stats, wins/losses, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, manuvsteal said: All responses, and still no answers to my question. What does success look like, and what does failure look like? Looking for numbers, stats, wins/losses, etc. We don't like you or your question 'round these parts. Now, git! Just kidding, welcome. And you won't get an answer because we evaluate on a curve depending on how humble and a good boy Lawrence will be and whether he says mean things about the team on Twitter. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonforPrez Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: If he sucks we still have James Morgan and Mike White or Joe Flacco Hell of a consolation prize don't you think @joewilly12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, ToonforPrez said: Hell of a consolation prize don't you think @joewilly12 They fit Woody's top 2 criteria for players: they are cheap and they suck. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonforPrez Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, manuvsteal said: All responses, and still no answers to my question. What does success look like, and what does failure look like? Looking for numbers, stats, wins/losses, etc. I believe TL is 77-1 Since starting back to his days in HS. He is being lauded as the next Luck even Manning Peyton that is . As far as stats or seeing how good the kid truly is or can be You tube and google my friend it's free and a useful tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonforPrez Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, jgb said: They fit Woody's top 2 criteria for players: they are cheap and they suck. Jesus we are really screwed once Woody the pecker comes back aren't we lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, jgb said: We don't like you or your question 'round these parts. Now, git! Just kidding, welcome. And you won't get an answer because we evaluate on a curve depending on how humble and a good boy Lawrence will be and whether he says mean things about the team on Twitter. Thanks for the laugh today, I needed that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 50 minutes ago, manuvsteal said: This is not really a draft topic, but more of a we're already in the 2021 season hypothetical question. What if the Jets draft Trevor Lawrence and he stinks? I don't mean horrible, but borderline stinks. For example 2700 yards 15 TD/15 interceptions in his rookie year. Then he follows it up with a 2022 season of 19TD/13 INT in his sophomore season along with 3,000 yards. Do you try to trade him in year 3? I only ask because Sam Darnold put up 17TD/15INT and followed with 19TD/13TD in his second season. For those that hold Darnold to a standard that he should be traded for Lawrence while he was throwing to Chris Hogan, Braxton Berrios, Jeff Smith, Josh Malone this year, what would the bar be for Trevor Lawrence if he's throwing to 3 starting caliber receivers? I'm not looking for an argument per se. I am looking for an honest fans assessment of what it would mean if Trevor Lawrence had Sam Darnold's equivalency of success? Continue building around him, or cut him loose? What is the bar to say Lawrence is successful or not the QB of the future? What if you were a good poster? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 50 minutes ago, manuvsteal said: This is not really a draft topic, but more of a we're already in the 2021 season hypothetical question. What if the Jets draft Trevor Lawrence and he stinks? I don't mean horrible, but borderline stinks. For example 2700 yards 15 TD/15 interceptions in his rookie year. Then he follows it up with a 2022 season of 19TD/13 INT in his sophomore season along with 3,000 yards. Do you try to trade him in year 3? I only ask because Sam Darnold put up 17TD/15INT and followed with 19TD/13TD in his second season. For those that hold Darnold to a standard that he should be traded for Lawrence while he was throwing to Chris Hogan, Braxton Berrios, Jeff Smith, Josh Malone this year, what would the bar be for Trevor Lawrence if he's throwing to 3 starting caliber receivers? I'm not looking for an argument per se. I am looking for an honest fans assessment of what it would mean if Trevor Lawrence had Sam Darnold's equivalency of success? Continue building around him, or cut him loose? What is the bar to say Lawrence is successful or not the QB of the future? you keep at it til you have a GOOD QB... TL gets no kinda special treatment 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 49 minutes ago, manuvsteal said: This is not really a draft topic, but more of a we're already in the 2021 season hypothetical question. What if the Jets draft Trevor Lawrence and he stinks? I don't mean horrible, but borderline stinks. For example 2700 yards 15 TD/15 interceptions in his rookie year. Then he follows it up with a 2022 season of 19TD/13 INT in his sophomore season along with 3,000 yards. Do you try to trade him in year 3? I only ask because Sam Darnold put up 17TD/15INT and followed with 19TD/13TD in his second season. For those that hold Darnold to a standard that he should be traded for Lawrence while he was throwing to Chris Hogan, Braxton Berrios, Jeff Smith, Josh Malone this year, what would the bar be for Trevor Lawrence if he's throwing to 3 starting caliber receivers? I'm not looking for an argument per se. I am looking for an honest fans assessment of what it would mean if Trevor Lawrence had Sam Darnold's equivalency of success? Continue building around him, or cut him loose? What is the bar to say Lawrence is successful or not the QB of the future? We don't need him to be Payton Manning, we need him to be better than Josh Allen, Tua & whatever scrub the Pats send out there next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 if he is in the bottom 6 in QBR for 2 years he can **** off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: If he sucks we still have James Morgan and Mike White or Joe Flacco And David Fake is just a call away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, manuvsteal said: This is not really a draft topic, but more of a we're already in the 2021 season hypothetical question. What if the Jets draft Trevor Lawrence and he stinks? I don't mean horrible, but borderline stinks. For example 2700 yards 15 TD/15 interceptions in his rookie year. Then he follows it up with a 2022 season of 19TD/13 INT in his sophomore season along with 3,000 yards. Do you try to trade him in year 3? I only ask because Sam Darnold put up 17TD/15INT and followed with 19TD/13TD in his second season. For those that hold Darnold to a standard that he should be traded for Lawrence while he was throwing to Chris Hogan, Braxton Berrios, Jeff Smith, Josh Malone this year, what would the bar be for Trevor Lawrence if he's throwing to 3 starting caliber receivers? I'm not looking for an argument per se. I am looking for an honest fans assessment of what it would mean if Trevor Lawrence had Sam Darnold's equivalency of success? Continue building around him, or cut him loose? What is the bar to say Lawrence is successful or not the QB of the future? Please spare us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 59 minutes ago, manuvsteal said: This is not really a draft topic, but more of a we're already in the 2021 season hypothetical question. What if the Jets draft Trevor Lawrence and he stinks? I don't mean horrible, but borderline stinks. For example 2700 yards 15 TD/15 interceptions in his rookie year. Then he follows it up with a 2022 season of 19TD/13 INT in his sophomore season along with 3,000 yards. Do you try to trade him in year 3? I only ask because Sam Darnold put up 17TD/15INT and followed with 19TD/13TD in his second season. For those that hold Darnold to a standard that he should be traded for Lawrence while he was throwing to Chris Hogan, Braxton Berrios, Jeff Smith, Josh Malone this year, what would the bar be for Trevor Lawrence if he's throwing to 3 starting caliber receivers? I'm not looking for an argument per se. I am looking for an honest fans assessment of what it would mean if Trevor Lawrence had Sam Darnold's equivalency of success? Continue building around him, or cut him loose? What is the bar to say Lawrence is successful or not the QB of the future? I am reporting this to the quality control department. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 If he has a QBR below 80 in his first game, burn him at the stake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 We shave his hair off and draw a penis on his head. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetty Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 If he sucks that will probably be the last straw for me as a Jets fan. Don’t know how y’all endured the pain so long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I so want him to be good IF somehow he comes to this team But I also thought Sam save us..... I dont put any teams future on one mans back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 What kind of question is this? If Lawrence sucks you get rid of him and draft a guy till you get one who doesn't suck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Just now, Skeet Ulrich said: What kind of question is this? If Lawrence sucks you get rid of him and draft a guy till you get one who doesn't suck. Failing quick ain't our bag, baby 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonforPrez Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, Young Jetty said: Don’t know how y’all endured the pain so long Medication and Booze and lots of it . I'm not proud to admit this setback but maybe i can dish out some life lessons along the way and tell people that the Jets attributed to my downfall. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, manuvsteal said: This is not really a draft topic, but more of a we're already in the 2021 season hypothetical question. What if the Jets draft Trevor Lawrence and he stinks? I don't mean horrible, but borderline stinks. For example 2700 yards 15 TD/15 interceptions in his rookie year. Then he follows it up with a 2022 season of 19TD/13 INT in his sophomore season along with 3,000 yards. Do you try to trade him in year 3? I only ask because Sam Darnold put up 17TD/15INT and followed with 19TD/13TD in his second season. For those that hold Darnold to a standard that he should be traded for Lawrence while he was throwing to Chris Hogan, Braxton Berrios, Jeff Smith, Josh Malone this year, what would the bar be for Trevor Lawrence if he's throwing to 3 starting caliber receivers? I'm not looking for an argument per se. I am looking for an honest fans assessment of what it would mean if Trevor Lawrence had Sam Darnold's equivalency of success? Continue building around him, or cut him loose? What is the bar to say Lawrence is successful or not the QB of the future? I think there will be threads up to trade him as soon as he is due for a new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, oatmeal said: Sam had Robby, Robby now has a average QB and looks better than any year here. The receivers were hurt this year okay? The number 3rd overall pick should be able to carry the team. You really should look at Anderson's numbers before Gase arrived. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 57 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: If he sucks we still have James Morgan and Mike White or Joe Flacco We will probably have Fitz instead of Flacco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 51 minutes ago, ToonforPrez said: I believe TL is 77-1 Since starting back to his days in HS. He is being lauded as the next Luck even Manning Peyton that is . As far as stats or seeing how good the kid truly is or can be You tube and google my friend it's free and a useful tool. He better than both Luck and Manning... He is not going to suck. He is going to be a HOF QB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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