Joejet Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Morgan is almost 24 years old, been practicing all season, was drafted in the 4th round, is playing on a team that is 0-9 with a 35 year old back up QB getting the start, and he still can’t get on the field? He must be just pathetic in practice because other than that I can’t see why he isn’t playing. What’s even more pathetic is that the 35 year old backup is playing better than our 3rd year “franchise QB”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said: Nope. JD taking Morgan during the 4th is way worse than Macc taking Hack during the 2nd. At least Macc had an excuse for reaching on Hack ala we were a Franchise without a Franchise QB and at least Macc kicked the tires and TRIED to find one. Even though it was a failed pick the effort was there. With JD? We had a potential Franchise QB who was obviously struggling without offensive weapons and instead of trying to help Sam he drafted an awful 4th round QB prospect and a 6th round joke or a PUNTER. JD taking a jag 4th round QB with Sam's NFL life on the line can never be forgiven. Are you out of your mind? All the whining about a player you havent seen throw a pass? Because you know he wont amount to anything, become the backup that JD wants moving forward. The simple, lazy thought is to post a Hackenberg picture and mindlessly claim that a 4th round pick wasted is worse than a high second round pick thrown away. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Just now, JiF said: I said this other day in a joking manner but I think it's real. I think he likes being a villain. I think he likes negative attention. He seems to get off on it and he doesnt care because he's rich bitch! In addition to being horrible, he is a maniacal f#*k. He does not give a crap at this point, and does not mind going down in flames. If he is being served up as a sacrificial lamb, he is going to get his pound of flesh too. And that flesh is not giving the media or the fans what they want. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JetsFanatic Posted November 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2020 What a ridiculous thread. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: In addition to being horrible, he is a maniacal f#*k. He does not give a crap at this point, and does not mind going down in flames. If he is being served up as a sacrificial lamb, he is going to get his pound of flesh too. And that flesh is not giving the media or the fans what they want. I tend to agree. This is where Joe Douglas needs to start leading though. Honestly if he just sits by and let’s Gase do whatever he wants, then I really question JD’s leadership ability. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: I tend to agree. This is where Joe Douglas needs to start leading though. Honestly if he just sits by and let’s Gase do whatever he wants, then I really question JD’s leadership ability. My sincere hope would be that Douglas has authority in terms of: -Who starts (in consultation with Gase) -Percentage of play time. If he does not, and Gase is going against JD's will, then Gase needs to be summarily fired, and install Logains as head coach. My other hope is that with Gase's trolling, he is just looking to create a ruckus around decisions with media (and to a lesser degree fans). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 This is the reason.A different coach could install an RPO over the bye week and try to get the kid some play.Gase still believes in his terrible pro style crossings offense. He does not change his system to fit the players. The pats lose Brady they change it for cam. Gase wants everyone to be Manning. James Morgan can't be Manning and I don't believe jd used that 4th Rd pick to that purpose.Prediction: After gase is gone Morgan will be a backup with upside. That's what 4th Rd is for Adam Gase is a horrible, horrible coach, let's get that out of the way first. He is also trolling this fan base because, well, he can. He knows what is going to happen at the end of this year, and he has nothing to lose in terms of fan equity. He will twist the knife when he can. And he is. Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I give credit to JD for not wasting a 2nd round pick on a QB that couldn't hack it in the Spring League. Wasting only a fourth round pick is an improvement in my book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: In addition to being horrible, he is a maniacal f#*k. He does not give a crap at this point, and does not mind going down in flames. If he is being served up as a sacrificial lamb, he is going to get his pound of flesh too. And that flesh is not giving the media or the fans what they want. Are we still talking about Gase? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, SAR I said: Petulant children want him fired, not actual fans. SAR I I dare you to take a poll... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Morgan was a TERRIBLE pick by JD. Selecting a player in the 4th round that would likely never see a starting snap in 2020 was ludicrous for a team with massive needs across the board and plenty of NFL talent still sitting on the board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Just now, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: I give credit to JD for not wasting a 2nd round pick on a QB that couldn't hack it in the Spring League. Wasting only a fourth round pick is an improvement in my book. Wasting the pick is irrelevant. What keeps teams from pulling the trigger when they ought to isn't the actual value of the pick. It's invisible opportunity costs. Like what if Sam Darnold suddenly becomes good. Like you look silly if you draft a bust. I mean second shmecond, let's say you take a UDFA like Morgan with the very first pick of the draft. Is that a bigger mistake or a smaller mistake than in 2017 when the league generally and the Jets specifically had Mahomes as a top 12 guy rather than a top 1 guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 How awesome would this thread be if James Morgan took us to the Super Bowl next year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said: Nope. JD taking Morgan during the 4th is way worse than Macc taking Hack during the 2nd. At least Macc had an excuse for reaching on Hack ala we were a Franchise without a Franchise QB and at least Macc kicked the tires and TRIED to find one. Even though it was a failed pick the effort was there. With JD? We had a potential Franchise QB who was obviously struggling without offensive weapons and instead of trying to help Sam he drafted an awful 4th round QB prospect and a 6th round joke or a PUNTER. JD taking a jag 4th round QB with Sam's NFL life on the line can never be forgiven. No way the Morgan pick is worse than the Hack pick. For where Hack was taken there was such a small percentage chance of it working out as a franchise guy. The only recent QBs taken later than Hack that have worked are Wilson, Cousins, and Brady. Franchise QBs are just not found that late in the draft. I hated the Morgan pick but a 4th round back up has a significantly higher chance of hitting than a mid 2nd franchise QB. Let's also remember that the Hack selection caused us to pass on Mahomes and Watson, that by itself is the difference maker for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Here's a thought.....maybe the reason Morgan isn't going to be the backup QB this year is because he is being groomed for bigger things next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 terrible pick by Joe-we are in rebuild mode and he picks a player that will never take the field and some defend it-what is wrong with you folks? people get excited when we get a 5 or a 6 rounder from a trade but are okay with wasting a 4th which could have been use for a wr a lineman or any other need(there are tons of the) At the VERY best Morgan can be a back up but I doubt it jets are so slick their rebuilds consist of drafting players that will never start and bringing in the worst crop of free agents in the history of the franchise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, section314 said: Here's a thought.....maybe the reason Morgan isn't going to be the backup QB this year is because he is being groomed for bigger things next year? here is a thought he sucks and was a wasted pick-we are talking about drafting a qb next year-what are the bigger things he is being groomed for ? Is he going to park cars in the parking lot? Serve beers in the concession stand? check psls to make sure guys like sar dont try and sneak down to my coaches club seats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: No way the Morgan pick is worse than the Hack pick. For where Hack was taken there was such a small percentage chance of it working out as a franchise guy. The only recent QBs taken later than Hack that have worked are Wilson, Cousins, and Brady. Franchise QBs are just not found that late in the draft. I hated the Morgan pick but a 4th round back up has a significantly higher chance of hitting than a mid 2nd franchise QB. Let's also remember that the Hack selection caused us to pass on Mahomes and Watson, that by itself is the difference maker for me. hack was a worse pick due to round 2 vs 4 but the concept the same-wasted pick for a quy that has zero potential to ever start on the team-what makes it worse is Joe did it after seeing the hackenberg wasted pick and knowing our needs all over the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, SAR I said: Petulant children want him fired, not actual fans. SAR I 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 6 hours ago, DJF71 said: Well both QB's could have been had as UDFA's. Morgan would not have lasted much longer. The Pats were said to be in love with him, and despite what some people are insisting he was considered a good prospect by many. I don't love or hate the pick. I get it. I guess I have more issue with another safety over another receiver but that's just me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, bitonti said: This is the reason. A different coach could install an RPO over the bye week and try to get the kid some play. Gase still believes in his terrible pro style crossings offense. He does not change his system to fit the players. The pats lose Brady they change it for cam. Gase wants everyone to be Manning. James Morgan can't be Manning and I don't believe jd used that 4th Rd pick to that purpose. Prediction: After gase is gone Morgan will be a backup with upside. That's what 4th Rd is for Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Couldn’t agree more with this. Not saying Morgan will be anything special but Gase’s system is hot garbage. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 10 hours ago, pdxgreen said: The more people say this I'm beginning to wonder how much faith he had in Sam to begin with. Douglas isn't stupid. And he's been with enough organizations to see how you build around a QB. Just strange that he wouldn't make those picks, players at offensive skill positions. Yeah we needed a better punter but we had one. We needed a backup QB but he wouldn't be ready in a year. Two receivers or maybe even a TE was a good way to give Sam a bigger cushion. Later picks but maybe worth the risk. Because Joe Douglas' primary concern in the 2020 draft was what this team would look like in 2022. Any capable GM should be making picks with the next 3+ years in mind, not simply the immediate season. Only considering the current team/needs when you draft is how you end up using high picks on guys like Victor Hobson and Mike Nugent. In addition, he used a 1st round pick on a LT and a 2nd round pick on a WR. I fail to see how he didn't have his QB in mind (whether it be Darnold or a future QB) when making those picks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: In addition to being horrible, he is a maniacal f#*k. He does not give a crap at this point, and does not mind going down in flames. If he is being served up as a sacrificial lamb, he is going to get his pound of flesh too. And that flesh is not giving the media or the fans what they want. Which is Exhibit A why Gase needed to be fired after the Denver game. He has no concern for the future of the franchise, and his goals are not going to be aligned at all with Joe Douglas' goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, sec101row23 said: I tend to agree. This is where Joe Douglas needs to start leading though. Honestly if he just sits by and let’s Gase do whatever he wants, then I really question JD’s leadership ability. The problem is we don't really know how much authority Douglas has in this organization yet. If he has the green light to tell Gase what to do and isn't doing so, that's a problem. Though it's an even bigger problem if he is NOT given that kind of control in the organization. All of this is bad news either way. Let's hope that this offseason, when given a chance to recalibrate, Douglas establishes a larger share of control of the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, bla bla bla said: No way the Morgan pick is worse than the Hack pick. For where Hack was taken there was such a small percentage chance of it working out as a franchise guy. The only recent QBs taken later than Hack that have worked are Wilson, Cousins, and Brady. Franchise QBs are just not found that late in the draft. I hated the Morgan pick but a 4th round back up has a significantly higher chance of hitting than a mid 2nd franchise QB. Let's also remember that the Hack selection caused us to pass on Mahomes and Watson, that by itself is the difference maker for me. Yep. Hackenberg was drafted to be the guy. While we don't know for sure whether Douglas thinks Morgan can be a QB1 in the league, we can be reasonably confident he wasn't taken in the 4th round with the expectation he'd be the guy. More likely he was deemed to be a QB2 with upside, who perhaps could show enough in his 4 years here to be flipped for a higher pick down the road. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Joejet said: What’s even more pathetic is that the 35 year old backup is playing better than our 3rd year “franchise QB”. Well for the last game yes, his 1st to starts he scored 10 points total and was uberly awful. Far more awful than the bust 3rd year qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 10 hours ago, pdxgreen said: The more people say this I'm beginning to wonder how much faith he had in Sam to begin with. Douglas isn't stupid. And he's been with enough organizations to see how you build around a QB. Just strange that he wouldn't make those picks, players at offensive skill positions. Yeah we needed a better punter but we had one. We needed a backup QB but he wouldn't be ready in a year. Two receivers or maybe even a TE was a good way to give Sam a bigger cushion. Later picks but maybe worth the risk. Link? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 hours ago, JTJet said: How awesome would this thread be if James Morgan took us to the Super Bowl next year? Same odds as Gase kicking his cocaine habit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 12 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said: Nope. JD taking Morgan during the 4th is way worse than Macc taking Hack during the 2nd. At least Macc had an excuse for reaching on Hack ala we were a Franchise without a Franchise QB and at least Macc kicked the tires and TRIED to find one. Even though it was a failed pick the effort was there. With JD? We had a potential Franchise QB who was obviously struggling without offensive weapons and instead of trying to help Sam he drafted an awful 4th round QB prospect and a 6th round joke or a PUNTER. JD taking a jag 4th round QB with Sam's NFL life on the line can never be forgiven. A 4th round WR was never going to save Sam Darnold's career here in New York. You could even argue that perhaps James Morgan was an insurance policy in the event that Sam Darnold flamed out, and we aren't in position to draft one of the top guys in 2021. Sure, it'd be great to have another WR ready for Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields next year, and I would've been happy with that. But I think it's only fair to reserve my judgement on that pick until I see what Morgan will bring to this organization. I don't know why you're already calling James Morgan a JAG. Was there something I missed about his college career that was that bad? And don't you besmirch Braden Mann! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackman55 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: Adam Gase is a horrible, horrible coach, let's get that out of the way first. He is also trolling this fan base because, well, he can. He knows what is going to happen at the end of this year, and he has nothing to lose in terms of fan equity. He will twist the knife when he can. And he is. I'm not judging any of our skill players on our offense until Gase is gone! There is too much evidence between his time in Miami and now Florham Park that players dramatically under perform with this clown as their coach. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 9 hours ago, DJF71 said: Well both QB's could have been had as UDFA's. Can you show me the link that projected James Morgan to go undrafted? Rumor had it that Belichick really liked him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 3 hours ago, kmnj said: hack was a worse pick due to round 2 vs 4 but the concept the same-wasted pick for a quy that has zero potential to ever start on the team-what makes it worse is Joe did it after seeing the hackenberg wasted pick and knowing our needs all over the field Don't get me wrong, I wanted a WR in that slot and am still upset with the pick but Morgan was not drafted as a starter, he was drafted to be a backup. The plan for him was to spot start in his career whenever Sam got hurt. Unfortunately when we were drafting we still believe Sam was going to be the guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 This is what I have a problem understanding. at 0-9, does it really matter if you lose by 20 or by 40? Also, does ANYONE trust Gase to make ANY decisions at QB or ANY other position. Throwing Flacco out there accomplishes absolutely nothing other than a chance at blowing the tank. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shuler82 Posted November 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2020 So a rookie 4th round QB who didn’t have a rookie camp or any preseason games and practiced with backups in a limited summer session isn’t ready to jump into an NFL game. And this is somehow the worst thing a Jets GM has ever done. But yeah, keep mouth foaming away. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Morgan will be only second behind Hackenberg as the greatest Jets QBs of all time. We have no idea how high they could fly because we never saw them in an NFL game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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