section314 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Wrfs, so far has been the better player. With the information we have now, JD made the wrong choice. Now, that may certainly change - it surely seems Becton has a MUCH bigger upside, we just don't know if he can stay healthy enough to achieve it. He also plays the least demanding and important spot on the O line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Who in your estimation is a candidate who's looking for a HC gig that has the right to demand full control other than possibly Harbaugh? You think an unproven college coach is going to demand full control? Which one? And why would any team give your example full control of a team? This is nonsense, its proven over and over that there at best a very select few who could do both HC & GM jobs well. The Jets need a program builder. Taking a college program and making it successful goes way beyond play calling. The Jets "program" is a disaster and has been for close to a decade. The only way to clean this up is by putting someone who's done it before in charge. Not someone who just runs a good offense elsewhere. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Matt39 said: The Jets need a program builder. Taking a college program and making it successful goes way beyond play calling. The Jets "program" is a disaster and has been for close to a decade. The only way to clean this up is by putting someone who's done it before in charge. Not someone who just runs a good offense elsewhere. OK then, which college HC is coming in to a NFL interview and saying he wants, has to have control over the entire program and getting it other than a Harbaugh is my question? Who is the unemployed, ex NFL HC who will make those same demands? The only way to clean this up isnt to give total control to someone who hasnt had and been successful in that dual role in the NFL. Very few have been able to do both on the NFL level. How many of the top NFL HCs today weren't coordinators before becoming HCs? How many teams have had a hard time putting together a winning team with a coordinator and a GM, two people running their teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: No he hasnt, thats the usual we suck nonsense. Theres nothing that says we made the wrong choice, where do you come up with this, on what planet is a G more important than a LT who dominates as a rookie First off, he's a Tackle. Second, as of right now it's really unquestionable he's been the better player. He's been on the field vs. someone that's missed 1/3 of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, section314 said: He also plays the least demanding and important spot on the O line. Boy the excuses around here are plentiful. No one is saying Becton is a bad player, just that he's been injured and overall Wirfs has been considering - especially considering he's actually playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 41 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Wrfs, so far has been the better player. With the information we have now, JD made the wrong choice. Now, that may certainly change - it surely seems Becton has a MUCH bigger upside, we just don't know if he can stay healthy enough to achieve it. Based on what has transpired this season I think the overwhelming majority of NFL GMs would take Becton 1st out of the OTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 32 minutes ago, Matt39 said: The Jets need a program builder. Taking a college program and making it successful goes way beyond play calling. The Jets "program" is a disaster and has been for close to a decade. The only way to clean this up is by putting someone who's done it before in charge. Not someone who just runs a good offense elsewhere. This is why I want Matt Campbell. All you hear about him is what a culture builder he is. Smart coaches can hire good coordinators. The head guy has to be more than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: First off, he's a Tackle. Second, as of right now it's really unquestionable he's been the better player. He's been on the field vs. someone that's missed 1/3 of the season. And when hes on the field Becton is the better player. Wirfs has been projected as a G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: And when hes on the field Becton is the better player. Wirfs has been projected as a G Projected to play guard? He’s playing T now, was drafted to play Tackle and has played Tackle his entire life. I think him being better when on the field is questionable but being available actually does matter. It’s not some hypothetical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 32 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Based on what has transpired this season I think the overwhelming majority of NFL GMs would take Becton 1st out of the OTs. Unlikely. I think he’s too high an injury risk at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: OK then, which college HC is coming in to a NFL interview and saying he wants, has to have control over the entire program and getting it other than a Harbaugh is my question? Who is the unemployed, ex NFL HC who will make those same demands? Saban, Meyer, Fitzgerald, Dabo, Shaw, hell even Schiano would be a start. Money talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 The Jets HC vacancy is considered to be an excellent opportunity. It has been for years. It was the best opportunity back when toilet was hired. The problem with the job has always been the GENERAL MANAGER. Let's be honest here? Bowles, Rex, Gase, any one of those guys would not be going down in flames like they did if they had a GM that created a steady, annual talent infusion. The bottom line has always been the GM was where all the organizational breakdowns were occurring. Honest question for everyone posting in this thread.... Do you think there would be a revolving door of putrid Head Coaches with the Jets if the GM was drafting like say the Steelers? Chiefs? Saints? The answer for me is an emphatic NO. So back to the question, I think the Jets job is probably one of the very best vacancies out there right now. However, ANY HC that comes here is going to be very skeptical if JOE DOUGLAS can uphold his end of the bargain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 14 hours ago, hamat711 said: The Jets HC job isn't very attractive outside of Lawrence because of Joe Douglas. What on Joe Douglas' resume would give any Head Coach faith that he can build a talented roster? Joe Douglas inherited a bad roster, and somehow made it worse. 1. Joe Douglas whiffed on nearly every single free agent signing. Most of his acquisitions already need to be replaced. 2. Joe Douglas's draft class has been uninspiring outside of Becton, who is still being outplayed by Wirfs who was available with the pick. Unless Douglas has a legendary off-season, people will be calling for his head. Ok the becton wirfs thing is just plain wrong..... they are both great. Great picks for both teams you cant compare a winner to a winner stick to the very fair winner vs bust arguments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Joe Douglas is highly respected around the league, regardless of what the chicken littles want to make you believe because he took a flyer on Ryan Khalil and drafted a developmental QB in the 4th. He's the kind of hire the Jets don't make He's already proven to be a savvy trader accumulating a ton of draft capital, and his picks that get on the field are producing. He would have been a GM somewhere else in time, it's not an Idzik or Maccagnan selection 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Saban, Meyer, Fitzgerald, Dabo, Shaw, hell even Schiano would be a start. Money talks. Youre dreaming if you think Saban, Dabo and Shaw are coming to the NFL. And how and why would they earn the power of HC and GM. Didnt work for Saban in Miami so now years later he would get it as a 70 year old HC, thats a legit target? Youre giving a Schiano full control of your NFL team, pushing Douglas aside for him? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Unlikely. I think he’s too high an injury risk at this point. You also said he couldn't pass protect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: Your health, happiness and life. Like every other NFL job. every NFL job actively detracts from those aspects this conversation will come down to what the Jets are willing to pay they ended up with Gase and Bowles because they weren't willing to pay more than than absolute minimum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 37 minutes ago, Icer said: Joe Douglas is highly respected around the league, regardless of what the chicken littles want to make you believe because he took a flyer on Ryan Khalil and drafted a developmental QB in the 4th. He's the kind of hire the Jets don't make He's already proven to be a savvy trader accumulating a ton of draft capital, and his picks that get on the field are producing. He would have been a GM somewhere else in time, it's not an Idzik or Maccagnan selection I tend to agree with you but his FA moves have been an abomination. Remains to be seen if he is as good as advertised. The supposedly overhauled OL is awful. There isn't a single retread in that group that's better than second string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, bitonti said: every NFL job actively detracts from those aspects this conversation will come down to what the Jets are willing to pay they ended up with Gase and Bowles because they weren't willing to pay more than than absolute minimum They spent on a GM, so one would have to believe they would spend on the HC as well. Stupid to do one without the other. But, the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: I tend to agree with you but his FA moves have been an abomination. Remains to be seen if he is as good as advertised. The supposedly overhauled OL is awful. There isn't a single retread in that group that's better than second string. I would be more worried if his FA signings weren't 1 year bandaids, other than McGovern everything has an easy out after a year. If he starts shelling out big multi year deals and they start flopping, then there will be cause for concern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, Icer said: I would be more worried if his FA signings weren't 1 year bandaids, other than McGovern everything has an easy out after a year. If he starts shelling out big multi year deals and they start flopping, then there will be cause for concern Douglas was definitely attempting to shop on the bargain rack to overhaul the OL. He thought he was getting a good group that would serve as stopgaps until he could do it through the draft. IMO, that's completely blown up in his face. Besides Becton, I don't think this OL is any better than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: Saban, Meyer, Fitzgerald, Dabo, Shaw, hell even Schiano would be a start. Money talks. That’s gonna be a big yikes from me dawg. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 23 hours ago, JiF said: Adam Gase is going to enjoy it!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: Your health, happiness and life. Like every other NFL job. Being HC of the Jets is more of a hazard to health and happiness of late. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamat711 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 10 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Wirfs was playing G because thats where he was projected to play and he isnt better than Becton. And LT trumps G every time, no one here his crying about Wirfs Wirfs by almost every metric is better than Becton, and he play tackle. You don't know what you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, hamat711 said: Wirfs by almost every metric is better than Becton, and he play tackle. You don't know what you are talking about. Becton’s play when healthy at LT is better than Wirfs. But Becton has both missed games and played hurt poorly. So Wirfs is a better player this year even though he plays RT. Next year is the year we make this call. Let’s see how Becton plays after a year of pro conditioning, if he gets it with the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, hamat711 said: Wirfs by almost every metric is better than Becton, and he play tackle. You don't know what you are talking about. Yeah, I dont see it. You can take those PFF numbers and well you know When Becton is healthy hes easily the better player. Playing the harder OL position, the position with the most importance. Hes been dinged up. Youre not able to digest that, I know And seriously, hang with the Bills nitwits and enjoy your short lived success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamat711 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Yeah, I dont see it. You can take those PFF numbers and well you know When Becton is healthy hes easily the better player. Playing the harder OL position, the position with the most importance. Hes been dinged up. Youre not able to digest that, I know And seriously, hang with the Bills nitwits and enjoy your short lived success We got our franchise QB and have a competent staff, so hopefully it brings prolonged success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/21/2020 at 10:42 AM, Larz said: Went from an race for second place in the division to a tough division. brutal media and cost of living worst owners in sports the jets job is the job the top candidates interview for to get experience in the process or to drive up the offer where they really want to go. woody chased off one of the best coaching staffs of all time everyone knows he’s a loser Who did Woody chase off exactly? It's amazing the lies people spread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 This is a great opening especially if they get the top pick. Don't listen to whiny Beningo style Jet fans that just want to complain about the team. It's taken a while (too long) but with the right HC and if Douglas has good drafts these next couple of years we can be set up for a bright future. With a good offseason this year the Jets can be a playoff contender next year. A good offseason means he gets the right coaching staff, fits a good job with the draft and all that cap room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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