If Jets beat Chargers...

[kevinc855]

Looking forward to the utter meltdowns......

[jetstream23]

[jetstream23]

4 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Looking forward to the utter meltdowns......

Especially since today's news is that this is only a one QB class with Trevor Lawrence and Fields reads defenses like Darnold. lol

If the Jets draft 2nd they're suddenly looking at a WR or other position.

[kevinc855]

6 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Especially since today's news is that this is only a one QB class with Trevor Lawrence and Fields reads defenses like Darnold. lol

If the Jets draft 2nd they're suddenly looking at a WR or other position.

and there will be no one rooting harder for the Jets tomorrow then Trevor Lawrence lol

[pdxgreen]

24 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Especially since today's news is that this is only a one QB class with Trevor Lawrence and Fields reads defenses like Darnold. lol

If the Jets draft 2nd they're suddenly looking at a WR or other position.

[kevinc855]

46 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Especially since today's news is that this is only a one QB class with Trevor Lawrence and Fields reads defenses like Darnold. lol

If the Jets draft 2nd they're suddenly looking at a WR or other position.

but if we lose the 1 pick we will prob trade down and get a kings ransom....may even trade down twice....so it wont all be bad

[Mogglez]

Just now, kevinc855 said:

but if we lose the 1 pick we will prob trade down and get a kings ransom....may even trade down twice....so it wont all be bad.

Not having a QB is always bad Kevin.

[kevinc855]

49 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Not having a QB is always bad Kevin.

Sure hope JD isn't banking the entire future on one kid that takes an 0-16 record (almost impossible) to attain. Sure he has a back up plan if we get oh I don't know 2-32

[LockeJET]

Keenan Allen will single handily win fantasy leagues this week. 21 catches 342 yards 5 TD's

[Gastineau Lives]

"I can't wait to see my fellow Jet fans be miserable for missing out on a generational QB prospect after not having a QB since the Nixon administration. I will find it funny because I am a sociopath and plane crash documentaries and animal cruelty videos just aren't doing it for me anymore."

[ZachEY]

4 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Looking forward to the utter meltdowns......

I imagine it would be nice for you to see others having childlike meltdowns for a change.

[More Cowbell]

3 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Not having a QB is always bad Kevin.

Not having a team is worse. Have we learned nothing?

[Anthony Jet]

4 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

and there will be no one rooting harder for the Jets tomorrow then Trevor Lawrence lol

Yea cause Jacksonville is a model franchise 

[Scott Dierking]

Have you seen our secondary?

[Gastineau Lives]

2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Not having a team is worse. Have we learned nothing?

That's what the other draft picks and the salary cap is for. You're not getting a big enough haul to justify trading Lawrence away for. If you can't find good players in free agency with the money you have PLUS Seattle's first round pick and every other pick in the rest of the draft, plus next year's draft, then you're ****ed anyway because your GM is terrible at his job.

[More Cowbell]

1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said:

That's what the other draft picks and the salary cap is for. You're not getting a big enough haul to justify trading Lawrence away for. If you can't find good players in free agency with the money you have PLUS Seattle's first round pick and every other pick in the rest of the draft, plus next year's draft, then you're ****ed anyway because your GM is terrible at his job.

Getting a difference maker as a FA practically never happens. Maybe a trade but you don't normally get a difference maker for nothing and we need difference makers. As far as the haul we will get for trading the pick, did you think it was possible to get what we did for Adams. Seattle clearly overpaid but it happens. If we can multiple first round picks, that will do much more than Lawrence can. We are not a QB away from competing. Can you imagine having 3 first round picks in 2022?

[Gastineau Lives]

23 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Getting a difference maker as a FA practically never happens. Maybe a trade but you don't normally get a difference maker for nothing and we need difference makers. As far as the haul we will get for trading the pick, did you think it was possible to get what we did for Adams. Seattle clearly overpaid but it happens. If we can multiple first round picks, that will do much more than Lawrence can. We are not a QB away from competing. Can you imagine having 3 first round picks in 2022?

Instead of two? Who are we trading with? 

We're not two positions away from being competitive either. Let's say for argument's sake that he's Peyton Manning. Can you go back and look at that draft and subsequent drafts and find the players that are worth Peyton Manning in a trade? You might find a couple that if you combine them, MAYBE, but you'll find many more jags and outright busts. 

d	Pick	Tm	Player	Pos	Age	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	DrAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Solo	Int	Sk	College/Univ
1	1	IND	Peyton Manning	QB	22	2015	7	14	17	177	145	266	6125	9380	71940	539	251	431	667	18	1	-2	0				Tennessee	College Stats
1	2	SDG	Ryan Leaf	QB	22	2001	0	0	1	1	0	25	317	655	3666	14	36	59	127	0	0	0	0				Washington St.	College Stats
1	3	ARI	Andre Wadsworth	DE	23	2000	0	0	2	12	12	36	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	82	1	8.0	Florida St.	College Stats
1	4	OAK	Charles Woodson	DB	21	2015	3	9	16	111	61	254	0	0	0	0	0	1	-3	0	2	27	0	997	65	20.0	Michigan	College Stats
1	5	CHI	Curtis Enis	RB	22	2000	0	0	2	10	10	36	0	0	0	0	0	456	1497	4	59	428	2	1			Penn St.	College Stats
1	6	STL	Grant Wistrom	DE	22	2006	0	0	8	54	38	132	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	335	5	53.0	Nebraska	College Stats
1	7	NOR	Kyle Turley	T	22	2007	1	0	6	56	43	109	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	16	0				San Diego St.	College Stats
1	8	DAL	Greg Ellis	DE	23	2009	0	1	12	68	65	176	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	400	4	84.0	North Carolina	College Stats
1	9	JAX	Fred Taylor	RB	22	2010	0	1	9	88	86	153	0	0	0	0	0	2534	11695	66	290	2384	8				Florida	College Stats
1	10	BAL	Duane Starks	DB	24	2006	0	0	4	39	30	97	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	314	25	1.0	Miami (FL)	College Stats
1	11	PHI	Tra Thomas	T	23	2009	0	3	11	78	77	174	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Florida St.
1	12	ATL	Keith Brooking	LB	22	2012	0	5	12	79	65	225	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1103	13	22.0	Georgia Tech	College Stats
1	13	CIN	Takeo Spikes	LB	21	2012	1	2	14	83	22	219	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1018	19	29.0	Auburn	College Stats
1	14	CAR	Jason Peter	DE	23	2001	0	0	2	10	10	38	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	69		7.5	Nebraska	College Stats
1	15	SEA	Anthony Simmons	LB	22	2004	0	0	4	34	34	87	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	457	9	10.0	Clemson	College Stats
1	16	TEN	Kevin Dyson	WR	23	2003	0	0	3	22	22	59	0	0	0	0	0	4	3	0	178	2325	18				Utah	College Stats
1	17	CIN	Brian Simmons	LB	23	2007	0	0	8	45	43	137	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	529	11	24.0	North Carolina	College Stats
1	18	NWE	Robert Edwards	RB	23	2002	0	0	1	13	11	28	0	0	0	0	0	311	1222	10	53	457	4	2			Georgia	College Stats
1	19	GNB	Vonnie Holliday	DE	22	2012	0	0	9	63	29	214	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	415	2	62.5	North Carolina
1	20	DET	Terry Fair	DB	22	2005	0	0	4	24	24	60	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	178	7	1.0	Tennessee	College Stats
1	21	MIN	Randy Moss HOF	WR	21	2012	4	6	12	123	79	218	4	8	106	2	1	25	159	0	982	15292	156		1		Marshall	College Stats
1	22	NWE	Tebucky Jones	DB	23	2005	0	0	5	27	14	109	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	327	6	4.5	Syracuse	College Stats
1	23	OAK	Mo Collins	G	21	2003	0	0	5	30	30	71	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Florida
1	24	NYG	Shaun Williams	DB	21	2006	0	0	5	33	28	104	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	388	15	4.5	UCLA	College Stats
1	25	JAX	Donovin Darius	DB	23	2007	0	0	8	47	47	118	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	492	14	2.0	Syracuse	College Stats
1	26	PIT	Alan Faneca	G	21	2010	6	9	13	107	94	206	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				LSU	College Stats
1	27	KAN	Victor Riley	T	23	2005	0	0	5	46	26	111	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Auburn
1	28	SFO	R.W. McQuarters	DB	21	2008	0	0	4	38	4	156	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	406	14	3.0	Oklahoma St.	College Stats
1	29	MIA	John Avery	RB	22	2003	0	0	0	4	4	29	0	0	0	0	0	149	524	2	16	115	2				Mississippi	College Stats
1	30	DEN	Marcus Nash	WR	22	1999	0	0	0	1	1	11	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	76	0				Tennessee	College Stats
Rnd	Pick	Tm	Player	Pos	Age	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	DrAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Solo	Int	Sk	College/Univ
2	31	OAK	Leon Bender	DT			0	0	0																		Washington St.
2	32	IND	Jerome Pathon	WR	22	2005	0	0	4	29	15	100	0	0	0	0	0	5	-7	0	260	3350	15	1			Washington	College Stats
2	33	ARI	Corey Chavous	DB	22	2008	0	1	8	42	9	171	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	602	20	5.5	Vanderbilt	College Stats
2	34	TAM	Jacquez Green	WR	22	2002	0	0	3	24	22	66	0	0	0	0	0	13	42	0	162	2311	7				Florida	College Stats
2	35	CHI	Tony Parrish	DB	22	2006	0	0	8	52	29	131	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	516	30	5.0	Washington	College Stats
2	36	ARI	Anthony Clement	T	22	2007	0	0	6	41	24	128	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Louisiana
2	37	STL	Robert Holcombe	RB	22	2004	0	0	3	14	8	97	0	0	0	0	0	337	1141	11	69	573	3	20			Illinois	College Stats
2	38	DAL	Flozell Adams	T	23	2010	0	5	12	88	81	198	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	6			Michigan St.
2	39	BUF	Sam Cowart	LB	23	2005	0	1	6	34	14	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	500	4	12.5	Florida St.	College Stats
2	40	NOR	Cam Cleeland	TE	23	2005	0	0	5	9	8	89	0	0	0	0	0	3	-7	0	131	1478	13	3			Washington	College Stats
2	41	PIT	Jeremy Staat	DE	21	2003	0	0	0	4	4	31	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	20			Arizona St.
2	42	BAL	Patrick Johnson	WR	22	2005	0	0	1	11	7	70	0	0	0	0	0	4	24	0	84	1286	10	12			Oregon	College Stats
2	43	CIN	Artrell Hawkins	DB	21	2006	0	0	7	38	29	122	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	437	11	4.0	Cincinnati	College Stats
2	44	MIA	Patrick Surtain	DB	22	2008	1	3	8	66	51	163	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	435	37	7.5	Southern Miss	College Stats
2	45	TAM	Brian Kelly	DB	22	2008	0	0	5	35	33	141	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	372	22	3.5	USC	College Stats
2	46	TEN	Samari Rolle	DB	22	2008	1	1	9	68	50	149	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	384	31	9.5	Florida St.	College Stats
2	47	SEA	Todd Weiner	T	22	2008	0	0	7	54	7	152	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0				Kansas St.
2	48	WAS	Stephen Alexander	TE	22	2006	0	1	6	21	11	118	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	247	2519	14				Oklahoma	College Stats
2	49	MIA	Kenny Mixon	DE	23	2004	0	0	6	37	23	105	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	197	2	18.5	LSU
2	50	DET	Germane Crowell	WR	21	2002	0	0	1	23	23	54	0	0	0	0	0	8	91	0	184	2722	16				Virginia	College Stats
2	51	MIN	Kailee Wong	LB	22	2006	0	0	6	38	15	123	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	377	6	21.5	Stanford
2	52	NWE	Tony Simmons	WR	23	2002	0	0	0	8	8	49	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	58	998	6	3			Wisconsin	College Stats
2	53	ATL	Bob Hallen	G	23	2005	0	0	3	22	15	86	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Kent St.
2	54	NWE	Rod Rutledge	TE	23	2002	0	0	2	2	2	70	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	27	204	1				Alabama	College Stats
2	55	NYG	Joe Jurevicius	WR	23	2007	0	0	3	30	9	133	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	323	4119	29	1			Penn St.	College Stats
2	56	NYJ	Dorian Boose	DE	24	2001	0	0	0	5	3	44	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	23			Washington St.	College Stats
2	57	JAX	Cordell Taylor	DB	24	1999	0	0	0	0	0	13	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Hampton
2	58	SFO	Jeremy Newberry	C	22	2008	0	2	7	54	47	120	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				California
2	59	SDG	Mikhael Ricks	TE	23	2003	0	0	2	14	5	82	0	1	0	0	0	2	11	0	155	1939	8				S.F. Austin
2	60	DET	Charlie Batch	QB	23	2012	0	0	4	33	28	81	908	1604	11085	61	52	172	637	6	0	0	0				East. Michigan	College Stats
2	61	DEN	Eric Brown	DB	23	2004	0	0	6	34	22	97	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	371	9	6.5	Mississippi St.	College Stats
Rnd	Pick	Tm	Player	Pos	Age	To	AP1	PB	S

Charles Woodson and Randy Moss. All time greats.  It's like hitting powerball to get ONE of them. I'm still not trading Manning for them COMBINED.

[jetspenguin]

Especially since today's news is that this is only a one QB class with Trevor Lawrence and Fields reads defenses like Darnold. lol
If the Jets draft 2nd they're suddenly looking at a WR or other position.

Today's news?

Sent from the Suicide Watch desk.

[jetspenguin]

Instead of two? Who are we trading with? 
We're not two positions away from being competitive either. Let's say for argument's sake that he's Peyton Manning. Can you go back and look at that draft and subsequent drafts and find the players that are worth Peyton Manning in a trade? You might find a couple that if you combine them, MAYBE, but you'll find many more jags and outright busts. 
 

Boy I swear people here love picks ........but we have no history of doing anything with them.

Sent from the Suicide Watch desk.

[Gastineau Lives]

5 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Looking forward to the utter meltdowns......

This just proves my theory that Josef Mengele would somehow have positive rep on this board.

[Scott Dierking]

4 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Especially since today's news is that this is only a one QB class with Trevor Lawrence and Fields reads defenses like Darnold. lol

If the Jets draft 2nd they're suddenly looking at a WR or other position.

Just to clarify today's news:

-95% of college quarterbacks lock on their first read in progressions. Right now, for the majority of these college qb's, their major decisions come in RPO situations. For me, it is indistinguishable in my short view of watching Fields and Lawrence whether they actually have to go through progressions. Their offensive design, along with the world class athletes that surround them, often makes their first target fairly open. 

I have seen both of them have to move off that primary, but is not a constant progression. That is really next level stuff.

-2 of the 3 interceptions for Fields yesterday was him trying to do too much. He just was trying to make a play when there was none. He should have just eaten the ball and taken the sack. That is on him though, and it was a chink in the armor exposed yesterday. Credit Indiana for getting in his face yesterday. This is how young qb's learn. Or, it shows faults. Again, this was not a reading defense problem yesterday.

What Fields did continue to show yesterday was tremendous accuracy on his ball, and just amazing athletic ability. Both QB's have that ability.

It is constant evaluation. They are both very intriguing. As mentioned here, the knee jerk responses to individual games and particularly plays gets tiresome. Part of the process for all of us genius evaluators.

[Dcat]

5 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Looking forward to the utter meltdowns......

yes.  I will have some sort of melt down. Not sure if it's quiet and personal or if it's w/a lot of posting here. We'll see.

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, TeddEY said:

I imagine it would be nice for you to see others having childlike meltdowns for a change.

Meltdowns are part of why we are all here.  This is a "message board" after all, and what more exciting way to deliver a message than by epic meltdown?  Weren't you at the center of one of the most epic meltdowns over on that other, now-extinct, message board?  re: GJ&H

 

[Dcat]

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[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Instead of two? Who are we trading with? 

We're not two positions away from being competitive either. Let's say for argument's sake that he's Peyton Manning. Can you go back and look at that draft and subsequent drafts and find the players that are worth Peyton Manning in a trade? You might find a couple that if you combine them, MAYBE, but you'll find many more jags and outright busts. 

d	Pick	Tm	Player	Pos	Age	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	DrAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Solo	Int	Sk	College/Univ
1	1	IND	Peyton Manning	QB	22	2015	7	14	17	177	145	266	6125	9380	71940	539	251	431	667	18	1	-2	0				Tennessee	College Stats
1	2	SDG	Ryan Leaf	QB	22	2001	0	0	1	1	0	25	317	655	3666	14	36	59	127	0	0	0	0				Washington St.	College Stats
1	3	ARI	Andre Wadsworth	DE	23	2000	0	0	2	12	12	36	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	82	1	8.0	Florida St.	College Stats
1	4	OAK	Charles Woodson	DB	21	2015	3	9	16	111	61	254	0	0	0	0	0	1	-3	0	2	27	0	997	65	20.0	Michigan	College Stats
1	5	CHI	Curtis Enis	RB	22	2000	0	0	2	10	10	36	0	0	0	0	0	456	1497	4	59	428	2	1			Penn St.	College Stats
1	6	STL	Grant Wistrom	DE	22	2006	0	0	8	54	38	132	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	335	5	53.0	Nebraska	College Stats
1	7	NOR	Kyle Turley	T	22	2007	1	0	6	56	43	109	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	16	0				San Diego St.	College Stats
1	8	DAL	Greg Ellis	DE	23	2009	0	1	12	68	65	176	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	400	4	84.0	North Carolina	College Stats
1	9	JAX	Fred Taylor	RB	22	2010	0	1	9	88	86	153	0	0	0	0	0	2534	11695	66	290	2384	8				Florida	College Stats
1	10	BAL	Duane Starks	DB	24	2006	0	0	4	39	30	97	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	314	25	1.0	Miami (FL)	College Stats
1	11	PHI	Tra Thomas	T	23	2009	0	3	11	78	77	174	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Florida St.
1	12	ATL	Keith Brooking	LB	22	2012	0	5	12	79	65	225	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1103	13	22.0	Georgia Tech	College Stats
1	13	CIN	Takeo Spikes	LB	21	2012	1	2	14	83	22	219	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1018	19	29.0	Auburn	College Stats
1	14	CAR	Jason Peter	DE	23	2001	0	0	2	10	10	38	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	69		7.5	Nebraska	College Stats
1	15	SEA	Anthony Simmons	LB	22	2004	0	0	4	34	34	87	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	457	9	10.0	Clemson	College Stats
1	16	TEN	Kevin Dyson	WR	23	2003	0	0	3	22	22	59	0	0	0	0	0	4	3	0	178	2325	18				Utah	College Stats
1	17	CIN	Brian Simmons	LB	23	2007	0	0	8	45	43	137	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	529	11	24.0	North Carolina	College Stats
1	18	NWE	Robert Edwards	RB	23	2002	0	0	1	13	11	28	0	0	0	0	0	311	1222	10	53	457	4	2			Georgia	College Stats
1	19	GNB	Vonnie Holliday	DE	22	2012	0	0	9	63	29	214	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	415	2	62.5	North Carolina
1	20	DET	Terry Fair	DB	22	2005	0	0	4	24	24	60	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	178	7	1.0	Tennessee	College Stats
1	21	MIN	Randy Moss HOF	WR	21	2012	4	6	12	123	79	218	4	8	106	2	1	25	159	0	982	15292	156		1		Marshall	College Stats
1	22	NWE	Tebucky Jones	DB	23	2005	0	0	5	27	14	109	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	327	6	4.5	Syracuse	College Stats
1	23	OAK	Mo Collins	G	21	2003	0	0	5	30	30	71	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Florida
1	24	NYG	Shaun Williams	DB	21	2006	0	0	5	33	28	104	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	388	15	4.5	UCLA	College Stats
1	25	JAX	Donovin Darius	DB	23	2007	0	0	8	47	47	118	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	492	14	2.0	Syracuse	College Stats
1	26	PIT	Alan Faneca	G	21	2010	6	9	13	107	94	206	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				LSU	College Stats
1	27	KAN	Victor Riley	T	23	2005	0	0	5	46	26	111	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Auburn
1	28	SFO	R.W. McQuarters	DB	21	2008	0	0	4	38	4	156	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	406	14	3.0	Oklahoma St.	College Stats
1	29	MIA	John Avery	RB	22	2003	0	0	0	4	4	29	0	0	0	0	0	149	524	2	16	115	2				Mississippi	College Stats
1	30	DEN	Marcus Nash	WR	22	1999	0	0	0	1	1	11	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	76	0				Tennessee	College Stats
Rnd	Pick	Tm	Player	Pos	Age	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	DrAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Solo	Int	Sk	College/Univ
2	31	OAK	Leon Bender	DT			0	0	0																		Washington St.
2	32	IND	Jerome Pathon	WR	22	2005	0	0	4	29	15	100	0	0	0	0	0	5	-7	0	260	3350	15	1			Washington	College Stats
2	33	ARI	Corey Chavous	DB	22	2008	0	1	8	42	9	171	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	602	20	5.5	Vanderbilt	College Stats
2	34	TAM	Jacquez Green	WR	22	2002	0	0	3	24	22	66	0	0	0	0	0	13	42	0	162	2311	7				Florida	College Stats
2	35	CHI	Tony Parrish	DB	22	2006	0	0	8	52	29	131	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	516	30	5.0	Washington	College Stats
2	36	ARI	Anthony Clement	T	22	2007	0	0	6	41	24	128	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Louisiana
2	37	STL	Robert Holcombe	RB	22	2004	0	0	3	14	8	97	0	0	0	0	0	337	1141	11	69	573	3	20			Illinois	College Stats
2	38	DAL	Flozell Adams	T	23	2010	0	5	12	88	81	198	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	6			Michigan St.
2	39	BUF	Sam Cowart	LB	23	2005	0	1	6	34	14	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	500	4	12.5	Florida St.	College Stats
2	40	NOR	Cam Cleeland	TE	23	2005	0	0	5	9	8	89	0	0	0	0	0	3	-7	0	131	1478	13	3			Washington	College Stats
2	41	PIT	Jeremy Staat	DE	21	2003	0	0	0	4	4	31	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	20			Arizona St.
2	42	BAL	Patrick Johnson	WR	22	2005	0	0	1	11	7	70	0	0	0	0	0	4	24	0	84	1286	10	12			Oregon	College Stats
2	43	CIN	Artrell Hawkins	DB	21	2006	0	0	7	38	29	122	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	437	11	4.0	Cincinnati	College Stats
2	44	MIA	Patrick Surtain	DB	22	2008	1	3	8	66	51	163	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	435	37	7.5	Southern Miss	College Stats
2	45	TAM	Brian Kelly	DB	22	2008	0	0	5	35	33	141	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	372	22	3.5	USC	College Stats
2	46	TEN	Samari Rolle	DB	22	2008	1	1	9	68	50	149	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	384	31	9.5	Florida St.	College Stats
2	47	SEA	Todd Weiner	T	22	2008	0	0	7	54	7	152	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0				Kansas St.
2	48	WAS	Stephen Alexander	TE	22	2006	0	1	6	21	11	118	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	247	2519	14				Oklahoma	College Stats
2	49	MIA	Kenny Mixon	DE	23	2004	0	0	6	37	23	105	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	197	2	18.5	LSU
2	50	DET	Germane Crowell	WR	21	2002	0	0	1	23	23	54	0	0	0	0	0	8	91	0	184	2722	16				Virginia	College Stats
2	51	MIN	Kailee Wong	LB	22	2006	0	0	6	38	15	123	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	377	6	21.5	Stanford
2	52	NWE	Tony Simmons	WR	23	2002	0	0	0	8	8	49	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	58	998	6	3			Wisconsin	College Stats
2	53	ATL	Bob Hallen	G	23	2005	0	0	3	22	15	86	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Kent St.
2	54	NWE	Rod Rutledge	TE	23	2002	0	0	2	2	2	70	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	27	204	1				Alabama	College Stats
2	55	NYG	Joe Jurevicius	WR	23	2007	0	0	3	30	9	133	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	323	4119	29	1			Penn St.	College Stats
2	56	NYJ	Dorian Boose	DE	24	2001	0	0	0	5	3	44	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	23			Washington St.	College Stats
2	57	JAX	Cordell Taylor	DB	24	1999	0	0	0	0	0	13	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Hampton
2	58	SFO	Jeremy Newberry	C	22	2008	0	2	7	54	47	120	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				California
2	59	SDG	Mikhael Ricks	TE	23	2003	0	0	2	14	5	82	0	1	0	0	0	2	11	0	155	1939	8				S.F. Austin
2	60	DET	Charlie Batch	QB	23	2012	0	0	4	33	28	81	908	1604	11085	61	52	172	637	6	0	0	0				East. Michigan	College Stats
2	61	DEN	Eric Brown	DB	23	2004	0	0	6	34	22	97	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	371	9	6.5	Mississippi St.	College Stats
Rnd	Pick	Tm	Player	Pos	Age	To	AP1	PB	S

Charles Woodson and Randy Moss. All time greats.  It's like hitting powerball to get ONE of them. I'm still not trading Manning for them COMBINED.

Peyton did not walk into this train wreck we have on the Jets and he was horrible if first season. Manning holds the interception record. The thing is he had Reggie Wayne and Marshall Falk when he arrived. Who is Reggie Wayne and Falk on the Jets. Who is even close? And if you are not getting a 2022 first, you pass

[Jet2020]

This place would be put on a suicide watch. 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

Getting a difference maker as a FA practically never happens. Maybe a trade but you don't normally get a difference maker for nothing and we need difference makers. As far as the haul we will get for trading the pick, did you think it was possible to get what we did for Adams. Seattle clearly overpaid but it happens. If we can multiple first round picks, that will do much more than Lawrence can. We are not a QB away from competing. Can you imagine having 3 first round picks in 2022?

And how do you figure we're getting a QB without the draft?  

Lots of difference makers can be found in FA.  

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

12 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Peyton did not walk into this train wreck we have on the Jets and he was horrible if first season. Manning holds the interception record. The thing is he had Reggie Wayne and Marshall Falk when he arrived. Who is Reggie Wayne and Falk on the Jets. Who is even close? And if you are not getting a 2022 first, you pass

They didn't draft Wayne until 2001 and Faulk was only there for Manning's one bad season. This is legitimately the worst weppinz argument anybody has come up with yet.

[Ben Had]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

Just to clarify today's news:

-95% of college quarterbacks lock on their first read in progressions. Right now, for the majority of these college qb's, their major decisions come in RPO situations. For me, it is indistinguishable in my short view of watching Fields and Lawrence whether they actually have to go through progressions. Their offensive design, along with the world class athletes that surround them, often makes their first target fairly open. 

I have seen both of them have to move off that primary, but is not a constant progression. That is really next level stuff.

-2 of the 3 interceptions for Fields yesterday was him trying to do too much. He just was trying to make a play when there was none. He should have just eaten the ball and taken the sack. That is on him though, and it was a chink in the armor exposed yesterday. Credit Indiana for getting in his face yesterday. This is how young qb's learn. Or, it shows faults. Again, this was not a reading defense problem yesterday.

What Fields did continue to show yesterday was tremendous accuracy on his ball, and just amazing athletic ability. Both QB's have that ability.

It is constant evaluation. They are both very intriguing. As mentioned here, the knee jerk responses to individual games and particularly plays gets tiresome. Part of the process for all of us genius evaluators.

Only one I have see recently is Tua...he's the best rookie at reading defences and finding the open guy.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Instead of two? Who are we trading with? 

We're not two positions away from being competitive either. Let's say for argument's sake that he's Peyton Manning. Can you go back and look at that draft and subsequent drafts and find the players that are worth Peyton Manning in a trade? You might find a couple that if you combine them, MAYBE, but you'll find many more jags and outright busts. 

d	Pick	Tm	Player	Pos	Age	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	DrAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Solo	Int	Sk	College/Univ
1	1	IND	Peyton Manning	QB	22	2015	7	14	17	177	145	266	6125	9380	71940	539	251	431	667	18	1	-2	0				Tennessee	College Stats
1	2	SDG	Ryan Leaf	QB	22	2001	0	0	1	1	0	25	317	655	3666	14	36	59	127	0	0	0	0				Washington St.	College Stats
1	3	ARI	Andre Wadsworth	DE	23	2000	0	0	2	12	12	36	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	82	1	8.0	Florida St.	College Stats
1	4	OAK	Charles Woodson	DB	21	2015	3	9	16	111	61	254	0	0	0	0	0	1	-3	0	2	27	0	997	65	20.0	Michigan	College Stats
1	5	CHI	Curtis Enis	RB	22	2000	0	0	2	10	10	36	0	0	0	0	0	456	1497	4	59	428	2	1			Penn St.	College Stats
1	6	STL	Grant Wistrom	DE	22	2006	0	0	8	54	38	132	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	335	5	53.0	Nebraska	College Stats
1	7	NOR	Kyle Turley	T	22	2007	1	0	6	56	43	109	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	16	0				San Diego St.	College Stats
1	8	DAL	Greg Ellis	DE	23	2009	0	1	12	68	65	176	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	400	4	84.0	North Carolina	College Stats
1	9	JAX	Fred Taylor	RB	22	2010	0	1	9	88	86	153	0	0	0	0	0	2534	11695	66	290	2384	8				Florida	College Stats
1	10	BAL	Duane Starks	DB	24	2006	0	0	4	39	30	97	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	314	25	1.0	Miami (FL)	College Stats
1	11	PHI	Tra Thomas	T	23	2009	0	3	11	78	77	174	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Florida St.
1	12	ATL	Keith Brooking	LB	22	2012	0	5	12	79	65	225	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1103	13	22.0	Georgia Tech	College Stats
1	13	CIN	Takeo Spikes	LB	21	2012	1	2	14	83	22	219	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1018	19	29.0	Auburn	College Stats
1	14	CAR	Jason Peter	DE	23	2001	0	0	2	10	10	38	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	69		7.5	Nebraska	College Stats
1	15	SEA	Anthony Simmons	LB	22	2004	0	0	4	34	34	87	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	457	9	10.0	Clemson	College Stats
1	16	TEN	Kevin Dyson	WR	23	2003	0	0	3	22	22	59	0	0	0	0	0	4	3	0	178	2325	18				Utah	College Stats
1	17	CIN	Brian Simmons	LB	23	2007	0	0	8	45	43	137	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	529	11	24.0	North Carolina	College Stats
1	18	NWE	Robert Edwards	RB	23	2002	0	0	1	13	11	28	0	0	0	0	0	311	1222	10	53	457	4	2			Georgia	College Stats
1	19	GNB	Vonnie Holliday	DE	22	2012	0	0	9	63	29	214	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	415	2	62.5	North Carolina
1	20	DET	Terry Fair	DB	22	2005	0	0	4	24	24	60	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	178	7	1.0	Tennessee	College Stats
1	21	MIN	Randy Moss HOF	WR	21	2012	4	6	12	123	79	218	4	8	106	2	1	25	159	0	982	15292	156		1		Marshall	College Stats
1	22	NWE	Tebucky Jones	DB	23	2005	0	0	5	27	14	109	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	327	6	4.5	Syracuse	College Stats
1	23	OAK	Mo Collins	G	21	2003	0	0	5	30	30	71	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Florida
1	24	NYG	Shaun Williams	DB	21	2006	0	0	5	33	28	104	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	388	15	4.5	UCLA	College Stats
1	25	JAX	Donovin Darius	DB	23	2007	0	0	8	47	47	118	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	492	14	2.0	Syracuse	College Stats
1	26	PIT	Alan Faneca	G	21	2010	6	9	13	107	94	206	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				LSU	College Stats
1	27	KAN	Victor Riley	T	23	2005	0	0	5	46	26	111	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Auburn
1	28	SFO	R.W. McQuarters	DB	21	2008	0	0	4	38	4	156	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	406	14	3.0	Oklahoma St.	College Stats
1	29	MIA	John Avery	RB	22	2003	0	0	0	4	4	29	0	0	0	0	0	149	524	2	16	115	2				Mississippi	College Stats
1	30	DEN	Marcus Nash	WR	22	1999	0	0	0	1	1	11	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	76	0				Tennessee	College Stats
Rnd	Pick	Tm	Player	Pos	Age	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	DrAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Solo	Int	Sk	College/Univ
2	31	OAK	Leon Bender	DT			0	0	0																		Washington St.
2	32	IND	Jerome Pathon	WR	22	2005	0	0	4	29	15	100	0	0	0	0	0	5	-7	0	260	3350	15	1			Washington	College Stats
2	33	ARI	Corey Chavous	DB	22	2008	0	1	8	42	9	171	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	602	20	5.5	Vanderbilt	College Stats
2	34	TAM	Jacquez Green	WR	22	2002	0	0	3	24	22	66	0	0	0	0	0	13	42	0	162	2311	7				Florida	College Stats
2	35	CHI	Tony Parrish	DB	22	2006	0	0	8	52	29	131	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	516	30	5.0	Washington	College Stats
2	36	ARI	Anthony Clement	T	22	2007	0	0	6	41	24	128	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Louisiana
2	37	STL	Robert Holcombe	RB	22	2004	0	0	3	14	8	97	0	0	0	0	0	337	1141	11	69	573	3	20			Illinois	College Stats
2	38	DAL	Flozell Adams	T	23	2010	0	5	12	88	81	198	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	6			Michigan St.
2	39	BUF	Sam Cowart	LB	23	2005	0	1	6	34	14	100	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	500	4	12.5	Florida St.	College Stats
2	40	NOR	Cam Cleeland	TE	23	2005	0	0	5	9	8	89	0	0	0	0	0	3	-7	0	131	1478	13	3			Washington	College Stats
2	41	PIT	Jeremy Staat	DE	21	2003	0	0	0	4	4	31	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	20			Arizona St.
2	42	BAL	Patrick Johnson	WR	22	2005	0	0	1	11	7	70	0	0	0	0	0	4	24	0	84	1286	10	12			Oregon	College Stats
2	43	CIN	Artrell Hawkins	DB	21	2006	0	0	7	38	29	122	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	437	11	4.0	Cincinnati	College Stats
2	44	MIA	Patrick Surtain	DB	22	2008	1	3	8	66	51	163	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	435	37	7.5	Southern Miss	College Stats
2	45	TAM	Brian Kelly	DB	22	2008	0	0	5	35	33	141	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	372	22	3.5	USC	College Stats
2	46	TEN	Samari Rolle	DB	22	2008	1	1	9	68	50	149	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	384	31	9.5	Florida St.	College Stats
2	47	SEA	Todd Weiner	T	22	2008	0	0	7	54	7	152	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0				Kansas St.
2	48	WAS	Stephen Alexander	TE	22	2006	0	1	6	21	11	118	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	247	2519	14				Oklahoma	College Stats
2	49	MIA	Kenny Mixon	DE	23	2004	0	0	6	37	23	105	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	197	2	18.5	LSU
2	50	DET	Germane Crowell	WR	21	2002	0	0	1	23	23	54	0	0	0	0	0	8	91	0	184	2722	16				Virginia	College Stats
2	51	MIN	Kailee Wong	LB	22	2006	0	0	6	38	15	123	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	377	6	21.5	Stanford
2	52	NWE	Tony Simmons	WR	23	2002	0	0	0	8	8	49	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	58	998	6	3			Wisconsin	College Stats
2	53	ATL	Bob Hallen	G	23	2005	0	0	3	22	15	86	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Kent St.
2	54	NWE	Rod Rutledge	TE	23	2002	0	0	2	2	2	70	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	27	204	1				Alabama	College Stats
2	55	NYG	Joe Jurevicius	WR	23	2007	0	0	3	30	9	133	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	323	4119	29	1			Penn St.	College Stats
2	56	NYJ	Dorian Boose	DE	24	2001	0	0	0	5	3	44	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	23			Washington St.	College Stats
2	57	JAX	Cordell Taylor	DB	24	1999	0	0	0	0	0	13	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				Hampton
2	58	SFO	Jeremy Newberry	C	22	2008	0	2	7	54	47	120	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				California
2	59	SDG	Mikhael Ricks	TE	23	2003	0	0	2	14	5	82	0	1	0	0	0	2	11	0	155	1939	8				S.F. Austin
2	60	DET	Charlie Batch	QB	23	2012	0	0	4	33	28	81	908	1604	11085	61	52	172	637	6	0	0	0				East. Michigan	College Stats
2	61	DEN	Eric Brown	DB	23	2004	0	0	6	34	22	97	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	371	9	6.5	Mississippi St.	College Stats
Rnd	Pick	Tm	Player	Pos	Age	To	AP1	PB	S

Charles Woodson and Randy Moss. All time greats.  It's like hitting powerball to get ONE of them. I'm still not trading Manning for them COMBINED.

Peyton was an all-time great but Andre Wadsworth is going to be awesome!  Give me him, Kyle Turley and Charlie Batch and you've got a deal!  

[Gastineau Lives]

43 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Peyton did not walk into this train wreck we have on the Jets and he was horrible if first season. Manning holds the interception record. The thing is he had Reggie Wayne and Marshall Falk when he arrived. Who is Reggie Wayne and Falk on the Jets. Who is even close? And if you are not getting a 2022 first, you pass

You can't wait for Marvin Harrison and Marshall Falk to arrive to take the QB. You might never GET that chance again. QB is priority.

Can you imagine if Lawrence lives up to the hype and goes on to a Hall of Fame career and we passed on him because we wanted more late first round and second round draft picks?

[bealeb319]

Not having a QB is always bad Kevin.

Darnold isn't as bad as people make him out to be even if he is not elite if you built a team around him he can be good enough to win games. It is a shame that gase has done such a terrible job developing the kid and it's a shame that even our revamped offensive line outside of becton who has been on and off the field all season has been terrible but there are worse positions we could be in than going into next season with Sam darnold starting. I know alot of people don't want to hear it but it's the truth.

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[HessStation]

You ******* people quoting that ******* never ending stats post holy fuvk 

 

anyway, we good we good

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said:

You can't wait for Reggie Wayne and Marshall Falk to arrive to take the QB. You might never GET that chance again.

No GM is going to think like that anyway.  If an Elway/Peyton level QB is available at your draft position (1.01), there's no way they pass that up (unless the guy won't play for your team, but that's a different issue).  

[Gastineau Lives]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

No GM is going to think like that anyway.  If an Elway/Peyton level QB is available at your draft position (1.01), there's no way they pass that up (unless the guy won't play for your team, but that's a different issue).  

It's Marvin Harrison btw, Wayne came later.