jgb 27,749 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 The consensus before was Gholston -- undoubtedly a worse player than Darnold but once you weigh in what we gave up for Darnold, it's really not even close. Misplaced hope in Gholston also never caused us to pass on a FQB -- i.e., Ryan Tannehill like I banged the table for. 5 15 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post jetstream23 29,886 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 1 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Icer 3,253 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Bowling Ball with Butcher Knives 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,749 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Exhibit B: getting massively outplayed by 75-year-old, disinterested Joe Flacco. 3 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,749 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Icer said: Bowling Ball with Butcher Knives Also terrible but didn't set us back as much as Sam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post jetstream23 29,886 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 This seems like the kind of thread idea that pops out at midnight on a Monday. There’s no doubt the desperate Jets gave up way too much for what they ultimately got in return, but the biggest bust in Jets history? That’s pretty ridiculous IMO. 8 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post pointman 4,974 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 Gholston just needed more time.. and more playmakers around him. He also had a horrible position coach mentoring him. It wasn't his fault. People gave up on him too quickly. See how stupid that sounds? Yet for Sam its considered ok to say. 1 1 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,749 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, pointman said: Gholston just needed more time.. and more playmakers around him. He also had a horrible position coach mentoring him. It wasn't his fault. People gave up on him too quickly. See how stupid that sounds? Yet for Sam its considered ok to say. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,749 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: This seems like the kind of thread idea that pops out at midnight on a Monday. There’s no doubt the desperate Jets gave up way too much for what they ultimately got in return, but the biggest bust in Jets history? That’s pretty ridiculous IMO. It's called change my mind. Who was a bigger bust? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wonderboy 4,568 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Hard to argue with this. Three #2's to move up. Its mind boggling how badly Macc has set this team back. I knew immediately he was a horrible GM the moment he was going to have Geno Smith start. This franchise is like a B rated horror movie. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Jet2020 456 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 Doubt it... 1 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post jgb 27,749 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 The only way to not believe Sam is the biggest bust in Jets history is to credit him with an assist for getting Trevor Lawrence. 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Obrien2Toon 4,239 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, jgb said: The only way to not believe Sam is the biggest bust in Jets history is to credit him with an assist for getting Trevor Lawrence. Remember when Maccagnan was still a good GM and deserved more time because at least he got us Sam 1 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgb 27,749 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Obrien2Toon said: Remember when Maccagnan was still a good GM and deserved more time because at least he got us Sam I admit I was all on board the Sam train. Thought blind squirrel Macc got lucky as Hell. Of course I'm not paid $2 million a year to evaluate talent. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pointman 4,974 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, jgb said: The only way to not believe Sam is the biggest bust in Jets history is to credit him with an assist for getting Trevor Lawrence. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wonderboy 4,568 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, jgb said: Exhibit B: getting massively outplayed by 75-year-old, disinterested Joe Flacco. STOP. Flacco is 35 years old. He just plays like he's 75. And even with that, he's playing better than Darnold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post pdxgreen 4,915 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 Nobody is topping Hackenberg for bust QB. He was kryptonite to eligible receivers. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post GreekJet 837 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, pdxgreen said: Nobody is topping Hackenberg. He was kryptonite to eligible receivers. Not even close. Vernon Gholston Blair Thomas Johnny Lam Jones Dewayne Robertson There are also guys like Johnny Mitchell, Dave Cardigan, Roger Vick, Kyle Brady. So many names to choose from. 3 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pdxgreen 4,915 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Not even close. Vernon Gholston Blair Thomas Johnny Lam Jones Dewayne Robertson There are also guys like Johnny Mitchell, Dave Cardigan, Roger Vick, Kyle Brady. So many names to choose from. Sorry I meant bust QB. Changed the post but it didn't save it. I am not willing to call Sam the biggest bust in Jets history. But I know who I pick for QB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 6,802 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 hours ago, jetstream23 said: This seems like the kind of thread idea that pops out at midnight on a Monday. There’s no doubt the desperate Jets gave up way too much for what they ultimately got in return, but the biggest bust in Jets history? That’s pretty ridiculous IMO. we've never givenup more ina draft for a player. EVER. its spot on., but you know, Great White Hope must be burped after feeding and have his arse wiped for him til he's a 25 yr old. 2 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony Jet 2,365 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 54 minutes ago, pdxgreen said: Sorry I meant bust QB. Changed the post but it didn't save it. I am not willing to call Sam the biggest bust in Jets history. But I know who I pick for QB. IF,and it’s a big if, Sam stays on the trajectory he is on, there is a really solid argument to be made that Sam has done more damage to the franchise than Hackenberg, if capital to acquire is included into the conversation. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 6,802 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 59 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Not even close. Vernon Gholston Blair Thomas Johnny Lam Jones Dewayne Robertson There are also guys like Johnny Mitchell, Dave Cardigan, Roger Vick, Kyle Brady. So many names to choose from. all cost us one pick. sam cost us 3 2nd rnders and the #6.... to be the worst rated qb in the NFL since he started. WORST IN THE NFL. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 6,802 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 hours ago, jgb said: The consensus before was Gholston -- undoubtedly a worse player than Darnold but once you weigh in what we gave up for Darnold, it's really not even close. Misplaced hope in Gholston also never caused us to pass on a FQB -- i.e., Ryan Tannehill like I banged the table for. it was mike mccagnans master stroke tru, levbell, cj mosely, sam, jamal.... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jetophile 73,116 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 hours ago, jgb said: The consensus before was Gholston -- undoubtedly a worse player than Darnold but once you weigh in what we gave up for Darnold, it's really not even close. Misplaced hope in Gholston also never caused us to pass on a FQB -- i.e., Ryan Tannehill like I banged the table for. I think the fact that Mike Maccagnan for the most part couldn't draft his way out of a paper bag makes the whole premise of the thread somewhat moot. It's like saying, "Look at all that weight Al Roker lost! Great job! I wonder how he did it?" "Gastric bypass." : / Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chirorob 4,795 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 hours ago, jgb said: Also terrible but didn't set us back as much as Sam. Gave up 2 #1s. Johnny lam Jones. Blair thomas. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gastineau Lives 9,990 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I can't believe he's out of the league already. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post The Crusher 219,818 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 hours ago, jgb said: The only way to not believe Sam is the biggest bust in Jets history is to credit him with an assist for getting Trevor Lawrence. It’s probably ok to say it now, but if Sam moves on and play well for another team then that will mean only one thing. The Jets are the biggest bust in Jets history. 2 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 6,802 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Crusher said: It’s probably ok to say it now, but if Sam moves on and play well for another team then that will mean only one thing. The Jets are the biggest bust in Jets history. define "playing well" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Dierking 134,876 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Losmeister said: we've never givenup more ina draft for a player. EVER. its spot on., but you know, Great White Hope must be burped after feeding and have his arse wiped for him til he's a 25 yr old. The Jets gave up 2 first round picks for Lam Jones in the first round. Considering the bust rate for QBs in the first round, vs WRs in the first round, I may have to say it is Lam Jones. So many others though. EDIT- I noticed others said Lam before I posted. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Crusher 219,818 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Losmeister said: define "playing well" Top half of the league. Also if we draft Lawrence or Justin field and we end up with this same thread in 3 year then it certainly indicates the Jets are the worst Jets bust in history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LockeJET 2,664 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Sam is not a bust. He just ran out of time. Hard to pay him 25-30 mil a year when 2 top QB prospects are staring right at our faces. We can grab one and still have plenty of other picks and cap space to build around them. Bust? No. Bad timing!! Resetting at the position makes too much sense for us given our draft position. 3 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klecko73isGod 124,315 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 WRONG! A number 6 overall on a pass rusher who never got a sack was far worse. That said, I think Vernon Gholston's breakout game is right around the corner. I predict he will have four sacks, two forced fumbles and a TD this week. Mark it down! 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
More Cowbell 4,655 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 hours ago, jgb said: The consensus before was Gholston -- undoubtedly a worse player than Darnold but once you weigh in what we gave up for Darnold, it's really not even close. Misplaced hope in Gholston also never caused us to pass on a FQB -- i.e., Ryan Tannehill like I banged the table for. Sam isn't totally useless like Gholston. He had some good games. He went 6-2 at the end last season granted he beat bad teams. And by far, the biggest bust was Lam Jones. With Sam, we didn't pass on two future HOF candidates. I don't think Allen or Jackson will be HOF QB's. With Jones who was selected #2, we passed on Art Monk and Anthony Munoz. That is way worse than Sam and when you factor in that we couldn't even trade Jones. I think he played 4 or 5 season and we cut him and nobody even wanted to claim him. You want to talk bad, that is bad. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Losmeister 6,802 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: WRONG! A number 6 overall on a pass rusher who never got a sack was far worse. That said, I think Vernon Gholston's breakout game is right around the corner. I predict he will have four sacks, two forced fumbles and a TD this week. Mark it down! howis one #6 wporsethan the worst qb in the nfl for 3 yrsfor a #6 ANNND 3 2nd rnders??? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post bitonti 42,805 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 Every time I look at darnold I see Quenton Nelson and 3 2nd Rd picks Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app 2 1 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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