Popular Post KRL Posted November 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2020 Well I was totally wrong, after the last two close losses I was worried the Jets would win with Sam Darnold coming back from injury. Not!!! Another totally inept offensive performance and more regression by Darnold continues the "Tank For Trevor": - I have never seen such an unimaginative run scheme in my life. No motion, no misdirection just continued stretch handoffs to the left or right. When Peyton Manning was in his prime in DEN that was fine, it doesn't work here - With the game 13-3 for the longest time the offense "wet the bed" multiple times: * Missed chip FG * An INT inside FG range * A two yard loss on a 4th & 1 in FG range - Continued growth by Denzel Mims (4 rec / 67 yds) against pretty good CB's. He picked up his first offensive pass interference as he attacked a deep ball and the CB at the same time. But as I said before I would rather he be physical and back him off than be a soft finesse WR and hope he can fight - Another game which makes me want to keep Breshad Perriman as a #4 WR next year. Good deep ball tracking and acrobatic catches (4 rec / 79 yds) once again - Multiple weeks off and Sam Darnold was the same if not worse. Other than a couple of deep ball connections to Perriman he was bad (16/27, 197 yds, 2 INT). Both INT's were mindless and shouldn't have been thrown and when the defense turned the ball over to Darnold in good field position he went 3 & out. In my opinion Darnold's stock is so low we'll be fortunate to get a 2021 #3 for him. Sad that its going to end this way - Strong effort by the defense as they held MIA to zero points for the majority of the second half. Generating 4 sacks and two turnovers but the offense didn't hold up their end - Another big effort by Foley Fatukasi at NT with 4 Tkls, Sack, TFL and 2 QB Hits - Huge game by Quinnen Williams with 7 Tkls, 1.5 Sacks, TFL, 2 Pass Blocks, 3 QB Hits and a Forced Fumble 23 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I've never seen a QB get progressively worse like Darnold has. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted November 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2020 It's hard judging OL in live game action, but I thought Elflein played surprisingly well. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan4life90 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Grandy said: I've never seen a QB get progressively worse like Darnold has. For real. Darnold has majorly regressed since his rookie season, and even dating back to last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greenseed4 Posted November 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2020 What about that Bryce Hall, though? That kid is doing great. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Serious question: Could you get a 3rd round pick before the draft next year for Darnold? I mean, I get it, potential and all....but man, he looks TERRIBLE 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted November 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2020 Despite the rankings Gregg Williams has done a good job again this year with jags and rookies at CB, no natural pass rushers. The defense is not dominant but they make some plays and been good enough to get a few wins if the offense was not such an utter travesty. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 We have the makings of a decent WR corp as long as they can stay on the field. Gotta figure out TE and RB... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 With Foley & QW inside, if we can find some pass rushers on the edge & a #1 CB it will change the entire defense. Darnold is just terrible. He’s lost all feel for the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Serious question: Could you get a 3rd round pick before the draft next year for Darnold? I mean, I get it, potential and all....but man, he looks TERRIBLE A third would be a steal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 This sucks. This is not the same Sam Darnold we saw back in 2018. The Jets destroyed him, hopefully for his sake with a change of scenery he can find himself once again. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 A 3rd is probably about right for Darnold, and that is only because he is a QB. If he played a different position it would be a conditional 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 minute ago, peekskill68 said: We have the makings of a decent WR corp as long as they can stay on the field. Gotta figure out TE and RB... Is that all? The TEs are awful and we have no #1 Wr and #1 RB on the roster. We’re far from having a decent Wr corps but it’ll be better after the next draft and free agency period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Charlie Brown Posted November 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2020 47 minutes ago, KRL said: - I have never seen such an unimaginative run scheme in my life. No motion, no misdirection just continued stretch handoffs to the left or right. When Peyton Manning was in his prime in DEN that was fine, it doesn't work here - This is the biggest indictment of all. Gase is awful. What was worst is Gase lied about the play calling pretending that he wasn't calling the plays and then got called out by reporters... T. Bowles was a waaaay beter HC than Gase and that is scary at this point! Nice job! 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, peekskill68 said: We have the makings of a decent WR corp as long as they can stay on the field. Gotta figure out TE and RB... Gase didn't target a TE the ENTIRE GAME!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyJohnson Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, Grandy said: I've never seen a QB get progressively worse like Darnold has. Ryan Leaf ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 minute ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Is that all? The TEs are awful and we have no #1 Wr and #1 RB on the roster. We’re far from having a decent Wr corps but it’ll be better after the next draft and free agency period. IMO healthy Perriman, Mims, Crowder = competitive NFL WR starters. Agree TE/RB need to be focused on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, KRL said: - I have never seen such an unimaginative run scheme in my life. No motion, no misdirection just continued stretch handoffs to the left or right. When Peyton Manning was in his prime in DEN that was fine, it doesn't work here - Continued growth by Denzel Mims (4 rec / 67 yds) against pretty good CB's. He picked up his first offensive pass interference as he attacked a deep ball and the CB at the same time. But as I said before I would rather he be physical and back him off than be a soft finesse WR and hope he can fight - It is not just that the run scheme is so unimaginative it's that it is also incredibly predictable. Gase runs like 90% of the time on 2nd and 10 and like 60% of the time on 1st and ten and seemingly 70% of the time on 3rd and long (which is incredibly frustrating) Was literally anyone surprised by the play call on 4th down? I mean it's just incredibly bad, and completely bewildering. Peyton Manning was successful with that basic play because he audibled into it against 4 and 5 man fronts. Mims so far looks like a clear #1 WR. I think Perriman is more than a 4 and then should definitely re-sign him. For the first time I actually feel like Sam is done. I thought he would show something finally having all the receivers but he didn't. Not sure I want Trevor TBH, but since we are almost guaranteed to finish either 1 or 2 in the draft we will get Fields who I am not sure is a lesser prospect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 If you are only going to get a 3rd for Darnold, you may as well keep him. Coach him up as much as possible, create a healthy competition for your rookie QB in training camp and you may even see his stock rise. If not, you at least have a potentially serviceable back-up, if your main guy goes down with an injury. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewyandtheJets Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Chad Cascaden was pretty funny on the post game. Said Flacco is way better than Darnold at this point but only because Gase hasn’t had enough time to ruin him yet. First laugh I had all day. P.S. Gase running the ball down 17 with 6 minutes left was pretty funny as well. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, ChewyandtheJets said: Chad Cascaden was pretty funny on the post game. Said Flacco is way better than Darnold at this point but only because Gase hasn’t had enough time to ruin him yet. First laugh I had all day. P.S. Gase running the ball down 17 with 6 minutes left was pretty funny as well. Gase has to be in on the tank right? A coach could not possibly be trying to win being 0-10 & taking literally zero chances. This offense plays like all their balls have been cut off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Charlie Brown said: This is the biggest indictment of all. Gase is awful. What was worst is Gase lied about the play calling pretending that he wasn't calling the plays and then got called out by reporters... T. Bowles was a waaaay beter HC than Gase and that is scary at this point! Nice job! I haven't watched more than 7 quarters of football, but today I watched most of the game. That play call on 4th and 1 I could telegraph sitting in my living room with my limited knowledge of the game. And what's best: you DON'T run behind the 6'7" 360 pound guy! No receivers, nobody in motion, single back in the backfield. Just god-awful playing calling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewyandtheJets Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I also liked the 10 times we have punted on 4th and 3 from the opponents 40 yard line as an 0-8, 0-9,and 0-10 team. So utterly gutless and lacking in awareness that it defies logic other than if he is trying to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said: Serious question: Could you get a 3rd round pick before the draft next year for Darnold? I mean, I get it, potential and all....but man, he looks TERRIBLE It seems extremely unlikely. Everyone knows the Jets are taking a QB and that means they won't pick up the 5th year option on Darnold. Other teams aren't going to be chomping at the bit when they could just give the raiders a bag of hockey pucks for Nathan Peterman instead of a 3rd for Darnold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Its sad watching Sam in there he's the punch-drunk boxer ... keeps gettinng put back in the ring ... keeps getting beat down worse ... over and over again poor kid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Lupz27 said: This sucks. This is not the same Sam Darnold we saw back in 2018. The Jets destroyed him, hopefully for his sake with a change of scenery he can find himself once again. Gase has destroyed the offense. Darnold is a victim. Jets need to fire Gase now just to get a good evaluation of him for the rest of the year before giving up on him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, JetsRay said: Gase has destroyed the offense. Darnold is a victim. Jets need to fire Gase now just to get a good evaluation of him for the rest of the year before giving up on him. We’ve pretty much have a good read on Darnold, Gase is terrible and definitely doesn’t help but his coaching is not taking a good QB and making him the worst in the league 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Lupz27 said: This sucks. This is not the same Sam Darnold we saw back in 2018. The Jets destroyed him, hopefully for his sake with a change of scenery he can find himself once again. Exactly how I felt today. I wish he had Mims in 2018 alongside Robby. Today was truly pitiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, K_O_Brien said: If you are only going to get a 3rd for Darnold, you may as well keep him. Coach him up as much as possible, create a healthy competition for your rookie QB in training camp and you may even see his stock rise. If not, you at least have a potentially serviceable back-up, if your main guy goes down with an injury. Or if some other team's QB gets injured you can trade him then. Sam Bradford got a very good return that way a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Or if some other team's QB gets injured you can trade him then. Sam Bradford got a very good return that way a few years ago. No one is trading for Darnold to be an injury fill-in. Any team trading for him is looking to get a project QB. I'll take the late 3rd. Happily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: No one is trading for Darnold to be an injury fill-in. Any team trading for him is looking to get a project QB. I'll take the late 3rd. Happily. If there's a preseason QB injury (that puts the QB out for the season) for a team that has playoff hopes, it would be worth a gamble to trade for Sam and hope he turns it around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: If there's a preseason QB injury (that puts the QB out for the season) for a team that has playoff hopes, it would be worth a gamble to trade for Sam and hope he turns it around. No, it wouldn't. You don't put your playoff hopes in the hands of a newcomer, and give up a high pick in the process. A GM of a playoff-contending team would know better than to try this. If the best Darnold will net us is a 3rd rounder, you take it. Because circumstances aren't going to suddenly lift his value to a 2nd during the preseason. And in any case, a 2020 3rd rounder is more valuable than a 2021 2nd rounder. Trade him prior to the draft, not after it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 23 hours ago, Lupz27 said: This sucks. This is not the same Sam Darnold we saw back in 2018. The Jets destroyed him, hopefully for his sake with a change of scenery he can find himself once again. Yup. Good guy but now a bad QB. The Jets did him no favors the past 2 years, but this team is going to move on and find someone new. It’s amazing that Sam’s best days were under Jeremy Bates as he finished that 2018 season. The precipitous fall began the second Gase walked in the door, Darnold got mono, the OLine fell apart and then the offensive environment just seemed to become toxic. We can only pray that whoever the Jets bring in next gets surrounded by some good coaching and good players. This franchise can’t afford to f**k up two Top 3 QBs in a row. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: Yup. Good guy but now a bad QB. The Jets did him no favors the past 2 years, but this team is going to move on and find someone new. It’s amazing that Sam’s best days were under Jeremy Bates as he finished that 2018 season. The precipitous fall began the second Gase walked in the door, Darnold got mono, the OLine fell apart and then the offensive environment just seemed to become toxic. We can only pray that the whoever the Jets bring in next gets surrounded by some good coaching and good players. This franchise can’t afford to f**k up two Top 3 QBs in a row. The sad part is this cycle of clown shoes circus will never stop until the Jets bring in a HC that the media is afraid of like when Parcells came in, until that happens the media will continue to cause problems inside the organization simply because it’s much easier then doing the job the right way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defense Wins Championships Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 How did Becton look? I usually focus on him every play but today I was so distracted by Sam's atrocious performance he completely had my mind blank throughout my player evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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