kmnj Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just like last week I have to give you your props - adam u are coach on what may be the worst team in nfl history and joe u are the guy that built this team joe brought in ten bad free agents and after round two his draft was awful rounds 3+ is where a gm proves his salt - we draft guys that are so bad or such projects they can’t overtake guys on the worst team in the NFL You are what your record says and Adam and Joe with each passing week add to their records if joe bombs out next year with the draft and free agents he can hang his hat next to Mac and izadick who had their blind following as well This was no orchestrated tank but two guys who performed badly at their jobs I hope joe can learn to find players in the draft beyond round two and not miss on almost every single free agent again 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Considering our past GM's couldn't find good players in rd 1 or 2 (at least not since 2007), Douglas finding 2 quality players in his first draft is a massive upgrade. 5th round pick Bryce Hall has been impressive too, by the way, so your premise isn't even correct. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted November 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2020 Free Agency: Fant has been very solid. This was a signing everyone, myself included, expected to be a disappointment yet he’s exceeded expectations immensely. Alex Lewis has played well, despite being nicked up over the course of the year. GVR started slow but has been playing great ball nowadays. McGovern has been up and down, he might need to move back to G next year. Statistically, the entire offensive line is VASTLY improved from the one Maccagnan built last year, and we haven’t even discussed the fact that QB play, primarily from Sam, has made it look worse because Darnold, and sometimes Flacco, holds the ball too long, fails to identify a pre-snap blitz, set the correct protections, or identify a wide open receiver. Flacco is better at both of these things and it’s no surprise the line has played much better in games that he’s started. Perriman is playing himself into a second contract as of late. Desir was a bust of a signing, but didn’t really kill us for the future, so no use in crying over it. Jordan Jenkins has been status quo. Solid run stuffer and good leader. You aren’t going to hit on every move, but no, Douglas did not “miss on almost every single free agent”. Let’s discuss the draft: Mekhi Becton is an absolute stud. Denzel Mims has been everything we’ve wanted since coming back from his hamstring injuries. Ashtyn Davis has played great as of late after a, admittedly, rough start. Today was up and down. Bryce Hall was fantastic in his first two games, one of which he as a starter going against Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. You can’t possibly ask for more from a guy who tore his ACL last year and was 5th round pick. He battled extremely well against DeVante Parker, another top tier WR, today. La’Mical Perine looks like a solid change of pace back for a 4th round pick. He might not ever be a featured 3-down back, but he can fit the Bilal Powell “jack of all trades, master of none” role very well, especially when the overall offensive talent gets better, teams stop stacking the box, and basically dare us to throw against them. Bryce Huff has been a very solid UDFA pick up who sets the edge well and generates pressure despite only getting limited snaps. Jabari Zuniga needs to improve, yes. It would be nice if he could get reps over Jordan Jenkins since the playoffs (LOL) are out of reach and Jenkins, likely, doesn’t have a future here, but Gregg Williams hasn’t done this because the coaching staff is trying to save their own jobs or audition for others. Braden Mann has been a very solid punter, especially for how often he’s been used as a rookie. James Morgan was a developmental draft pick; if he becomes a good back-up it’s a perfectly fine pick. I firmly believe that a team should take a QB in every draft. Especially if they don’t have a cemented franchise QB. Cameron Clarke hasn’t played yet due to Lewis and GVR playing well, but he has a real chance to be a future starter at G. He had a strong camp, got hurt, and is currently being developed. There is no reason to be up in arms over the pick. Douglas, all things considered, has had a very good 1st year. When you you look at the pieces he’s added, factor in how much draft capital he has accumulated, and how much CAP flexibility he has built for himself, there is a ton to be excited about when it comes to the future of this franchise. If he gets a top 2 draft pick, he will be very well positioned to land a top tier head coaching candidate to pair with a highly rated QB prospect, one of which is viewed as generational, that he can build around. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 This can’t be real. Gase is a dog sh*t HC. But you can’t seriously lump Joe Douglas in yet. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Considering our past GM's couldn't find good players in rd 1 or 2 (at least not since 2007), Douglas finding 2 quality players in his first draft is a massive upgrade. 5th round pick Bryce Hall has been impressive too, by the way, so your premise isn't even correct. Jamal Adams and Q. Williams were drafted by McCoffee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, kmnj said: Just like last week I have to give you your props - adam u are coach on what may be the worst team in nfl history and joe u are the guy that built this team joe brought in ten bad free agents and after round two his draft was awful rounds 3+ is where a gm proves his salt - we draft guys that are so bad or such projects they can’t overtake guys on the worst team in the NFL You are what your record says and Adam and Joe with each passing week add to their records if joe bombs out next year with the draft and free agents he can hang his hat next to Mac and izadick who had their blind following as well This was no orchestrated tank but two guys who performed badly at their jobs I hope joe can learn to find players in the draft beyond round two and not miss on almost every single free agent again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just like last week, your take on Douglas is trash. Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 10 hours ago, JetFreak89 said: Just like last week, your take on Douglas is trash. Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app he took a 6 win team to a zero win team he drafted two players while losing players folks have blind love for Joe D who has accomplished nothing but make our team much worse We are what our record says we are-folks love to hype our players into something they are not-they are the worst team in the NFL and Joe has a hand in it-if he rights the ship I will give him credit but until then he is a guy that took a 6 win team and turned them into a 0 win team there is no evidence Joe knows what he is doing anymore than there was with Mac or Izadick-so far he made the team maybe the worst in the NFL in his short tenure This is not a proven GM but a guy that has accomplished nothing-you want to crown him crown him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Hot take. Get ready to be disappointed when Joe is back next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Considering our past GM's couldn't find good players in rd 1 or 2 (at least not since 2007), Douglas finding 2 quality players in his first draft is a massive upgrade. 5th round pick Bryce Hall has been impressive too, by the way, so your premise isn't even correct. Yeah I'd also add in JD's favor that this is just a rookie season from these guys. For many of them who were less polished prospects than those in round 1 (or even rounds 1-2) - particularly with such an abbreviated camp - even hurdling lower level NFL starters is still hurdling a starter. A bunch of all the players in the mid & later rounds pan out, some even as rookies, but it's less & less common. So far we're at least no longer treated to the barrage of "smart" ideas that the Jets should trade away their 2nd round pick pretty much every year because we've been bad at drafting in that round -- even hearing this strategy when there's a change in GM, or GM and HC both, or even a massive turnover in the scouting dept. Every mid/late rounder who isn't starting (let alone awesome + starting) all season long as a rookie isn't therefore a bust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Joe D loves Adam Gase-said all year he is going a great job-does Joe D know we have not won and game and in most cant get within 14? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 only in jets bizzaro land is going from a 6 win team to a zero win team doing a great job.... our roster is worse now than it was when joe got here-that is a fact our team has not won a game that is a fact joe d supported gase this entire season-that is a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 the word was Gase "hired Joe" the Gase haters some how have full belief in the guy Gase"hired" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/30/2020 at 10:29 AM, kmnj said: the word was Gase "hired Joe" the Gase haters some how have full belief in the guy Gase"hired" I don't think it's quite that, and I think it's an overstatement to say it's a "fact" that the roster is worse than when he got here. I know it isn't "full belief in the guy" for me; but part of the worsened current roster was in trading away Adams for future consideration; well, future season consideration doesn't improve the roster this season. Ditto McLendon. I'd include Williamson, too, except he didn't play at all last year. There's also the reality that, on offense, a couple players are just having worse seasons than last year - e.g. Darnold & Lewis. Position group personnel (since the GM just picks players; he doesn't coach them or treat their boo-boos): QB = same for starter; dramatic upgrade at relief pitcher, even if it's led to the same number of wins with Darnold out. RB = I guess the 37 year-old Gore is an upgrade over Bell. Yes and no, in that while Gore is having a better '20 season than Bell's '19 season, Bell surely garnered more attention away from the passing game than Gore and/or Perine. Probably call this a wash, but one could make an argument either way if one actually wanted to debate which is less uninspiring. WR = He downgraded at one WR position and upgraded at the other, but at the same time the team didn't see its 3 starters on the field together for more than what, maybe 20% of the season so far? FFS Jeff Smith and Chris Hogan have 4 starts apiece, and Berrios 2 more of his own. No one figured Cager to be forced into starting any games in September. Not blameless on Perriman because he's made a career of being unreliable while teasing his upside. Anderson is just a better (and it turns out, a more versatile) receiver, wasn't much more expensive, and probably complements Mims better, but it's not like the team couldn't upgrade from Anderson anyway. TE = same personnel, except they're healthier this year, yet they're getting worse production. OL = By any objective person's measure - upgraded the center position talent-wise but it isn't showing up on the field. In terms of overall personnel the OL as a whole was upgraded at 4/5 positions, with the 5th being a carry-over starter. The line is still among the league's lowest-ranked against both the run and the pass. DL = only downgrade was Leonard Williams, who was having a career-worst season in 2019. Q was also pretty bad last year, to the point where he was losing out on playing time to Fatandsucky. They're still not terrorizing QBs but it's still comparatively a very solid unit against the run. LB = Mentioned Williamson up top but tbh he wasn't playing well anyway and that can hardly be pinned on JD. Ditto Mosley deciding in Aug to sit out the season after all the team's offseason plans were made. Hewett, Basham, & Jenkins were likewise all on last year's roster. CB = Carryover starters/semi-starters who were on both the 2019 and 2020 roster include Austin, Poole, and Hairston. Main swap was the stopgap Desir for the mega-expensive Trumaine Johnson. Jets fans miss neither. S = Maye was on the team last year & he's on the team this year. Already outlined Adams above, with McDougald & Davis splitting time taking his place this year. At this point it's the Seahawks, not the Jets, who wish they could go back & undo that trade. I'm not enamored with his free agency pickups, but at least 3 of his draft picks already look good as rookies. It's harder to nail draft picks than proven veterans, especially in an offseason in which the team isn't bidding or trading for a FA top 5 player at any position. Paying more money for better veterans doesn't take any particular skill. The 2020 FA whiffs - and we're not talking about missing out on HOFers here - were at RT and WR. But even I'll allow that the only veterans he can add in one offseason are the veterans available. Most FA additions happen over time, where a team picks & chooses a couple specific targets that fit just right; not take whatever's out there because there's nothing on the roster right now. So I'm not excusing every misstep he's had, but this stuff's always easy in hindsight. He's dramatically better than the dufus he replaced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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